Haha the only advantage. Still would have perfered Phreak over Hatperson. I usually defend casters, but damn...I just don't like him. Yeah, it better be the Jatt/Deman/Joe tri-cast.

ToT)OjKa(

Korea (South)2437 Posts

December 02 2012 21:26 GMT

#6844

Hopefully Hat won't spend half the cast laughing at his own jokes whilst Baron tries to cast

Kupon3ss

時の回廊10066 Posts

December 02 2012 21:27 GMT

#6845

On December 03 2012 06:19 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
My understanding is that Q-max with BT first gives you more raw damage at level 9, even with the triple proc, in most circumstances except against high base hp targets. The BF Sword build up also makes trading in lane easier when you can't always get the triple hit for the proc in hectic exchanges. In mid-game fights around lvl 12 you'll nearly have maxed the second skill anyway. I haven't actually mathed it out for a range of hp and armour values though against typical targets so ymmv.

It might heavily depend on runes and masteries, on any heavy apen setup bt + q will of course be far better in terms of raw damage, but PD+W gives you MS, a harder burst vs armored champions if your runes/masteries setup isn't apen focused (either dmg focused or speed focused). The biggest advantage is of course how stupidly fast it makes vayne when chasing people, which can often be more useful than having a few more rolls.

There's also a certain feel that maxing W with PD gives you as well to attack quickly with heavy silver bolts, it just feels far more elegant on vayne

fcgog

United Kingdom876 Posts

December 02 2012 21:27 GMT

#6846

eve hasn't lost a game at IPl and i don't think it's going to stop

sylverfyre

United States8298 Posts

December 02 2012 21:27 GMT

#6847

On December 03 2012 06:13 iCanada wrote:

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On December 03 2012 06:11 Sponkz wrote:

On December 03 2012 06:08 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:

On December 03 2012 06:03 iCanada wrote:

On December 03 2012 05:54 nafta wrote:

On December 03 2012 05:49 iCanada wrote:

On December 03 2012 05:44 BlueSpace wrote:

On December 03 2012 05:40 Caphe wrote:

On December 03 2012 05:34 1ntrigue wrote:

On December 03 2012 05:32 Caphe wrote:
Wtf Fnatic, they managed to pick a late game comp but constanly engage under bad situation at MID game where Cait and Eve are at top of their power curve?

They didn't have much choice seeing that Cait hit her lategame during Vayne's barely-midgame. Lategame Cait is probably better than lategame Vayne. At the very least, she is safer and will reliably do damage even if she gets a bad engage (see all fights).

Explain to me how Fnatic did not has much choices? Cait were ahead but not that ahead (she was up 30cs compare to vayne) at the time of the mid tower dive. That dive made no sense at all while you can just split push all day with a farmed Shen(Shen was like 1 kill ahead of Irealia and up in cs too)

Fnatic dove cait and failed, resulting in a full blow 5v5. Vayne wasn't that far behind in CS, but cait didn't buy any Dorans and had already PD+IE. Vayne at that point had only PD and a BF. So Vayne wasn't behind in gold that much, but a lot in items.
Actually you might even say, that this is a result of peke dying to Baron. He lost stacks afterwards and had to replenish them by using feast. If feast would have been availble in the engagement, maybe they could have managed to bring down cait and turned the fight and the game in their favour.

Cait was pretty ahead in CS.

That and just rushing attack speed kind of dumb even if you maxing Vayne W. Just having a BT and Zeal instead more damage.

As someone who plays vayne often I can tell you pd is better.Vayne's attack animation isn't very good and you really need the atk speed to make it more fluent.And since everyone goes for you 24/7 extra ms is always nice :D.

I'd almost say everyone always bum rushing you makes BT more valuable, imo. You get that lifesteal, and it makes your Q much much better. The MS nice, but you can't rely on hitting the W proc in a teamfight.

I dunno, I dont play Vayne. Just seems dumb to me. I guess it scales with Bonus AD on ult well, but... eh. I'll tests it.

What is the point in playing Vayne if you are not going to build to her strengths? You might as well pick literally any other adc if you're just going to build standard. Vayne is one of the few ADCs that scales well off of pure aspd, the other being Kogmaw.

I just don't get why he maxed W instead of Q, when he went straight for a PD. The only damage he's doing comes from W cus of his low AD.

Exactly.

I dunno... Make more sense max Q>E>W. level 5 W just 60 true damage +8%HP... unless you hitting a triple warmog Mundo you do more damage just getting AD and maxxing Q... then you also not limited to the stupid 3 target strike thing.

<_<

That and Vayne literally only AD in the entire game with an autoattack reset, but rush attack speed on her? I think it silly.

Sivir W, Miss Fortune Q, what?

Ezreal Q pretends to be one too.

Sponkz

Denmark4564 Posts

December 02 2012 21:28 GMT

#6848

I love this voting for "who will win". Before game 1 yesterday it was like 30% for fnatic and 70% for TPA. So even right now lol.

MooMooMugi

United States10531 Posts

December 02 2012 21:29 GMT

#6849

Lilballs stealing Cyanide's Chogath and Bebe Caitlyn again yay

Scip

Czech Republic11293 Posts

December 02 2012 21:36 GMT

#6850

On December 03 2012 06:17 WhiteDog wrote:
According to zulu_nation, Doublelift can't explain what went wrong in M5 vs TPA cauz he doesn't have the level for it.

:D

How'd you know
How'd you know
I'm trying to find bly all over the goddamn internets like I am a possessive gf or something, he just seems to be offline everywhere league, skype everything

Requizen

United States33802 Posts

December 02 2012 21:37 GMT

#6851

Darkness's dive was really dumb there, waste baron.

ZERG_RUSSIAN

10417 Posts

December 02 2012 21:43 GMT

#6852

TPA TPA TPA

ZERG_RUSSIAN

10417 Posts

December 02 2012 21:44 GMT

#6853

By the way, I CALLED IT SO LONG AGO

Jungle Chogath one of the top picks for jungle in recent times

SOOOOOOOOOOO LONG AGO

MooMooMugi

United States10531 Posts

December 02 2012 21:46 GMT

#6854

On December 03 2012 06:44 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
By the way, I CALLED IT SO LONG AGO

Jungle Chogath one of the top picks for jungle in recent times

SOOOOOOOOOOO LONG AGO

And thats why you're the resident Chogath expert