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Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
December 02 2012 21:54 GMT
#6881
Toyz escaping by the skin of his teeth constantly

Mistake feeding zzz
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
shinarit
Profile Joined May 2010
Hungary900 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-02 21:55:42
December 02 2012 21:55 GMT
#6882
"He uses flash but theres a soaz"

This was actually funny.

Edit: now Fnatic plays like an asian team. Wtf
T for BoxeR, Z for IdrA, P because i have no self-respect
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
December 02 2012 21:55 GMT
#6883
Leona doing work
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
Kiett
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States7639 Posts
December 02 2012 21:55 GMT
#6884
On December 03 2012 06:50 Louuster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2012 06:47 Kiett wrote:
Come on fnatic T__T


Didnt know you were a league fan Kiett!

I'm here at IPL and don't feel like watching endless ZvZs. League has been quite fun this weekend
Writer:o
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
December 02 2012 21:55 GMT
#6885
On December 03 2012 06:53 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2012 06:52 onlywonderboy wrote:
On December 03 2012 06:50 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
I wonder if Toyz is going to get an Athenes again.

Who does he not build it on? lol

He shouldn't on TF but I think he will...

OH THOSE GOLD CARDS!

Needs items for ganking not laning. TPA get it together!
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Beyonder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands15103 Posts
December 02 2012 21:55 GMT
#6886
Holy shit Fnatic is on a roll again
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MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
December 02 2012 21:56 GMT
#6887
On December 03 2012 06:55 Kiett wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2012 06:50 Louuster wrote:
On December 03 2012 06:47 Kiett wrote:
Come on fnatic T__T


Didnt know you were a league fan Kiett!

I'm here at IPL and don't feel like watching endless ZvZs. League has been quite fun this weekend

A ZvZ is a ZvZ is a ZvZ zzz.

Get an auto from Jiji and Misaya! They're such cuties! <3 (Get one for me if you can too kk?)
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
December 02 2012 21:56 GMT
#6888
I just really want to see the double reset+blitz team again from Fnatic in this tourney.

Kha'Zix+Kat+Blitz. Pls Fnatic pls.
- TEAM LIQUID - doctorbeat on LoL
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
December 02 2012 21:56 GMT
#6889
I find it hilarious Fnatic wouldn't even be here if ALTERNATE hadn't fucked up and lost sponsors. Butterfly effect man.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
triangle
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3803 Posts
December 02 2012 21:56 GMT
#6890
Soaz shen play is just disgusting. Every time his ult is up, they're going for a kill. Crazy to watch.
Also known as waterfall / w4terfall
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
December 02 2012 21:57 GMT
#6891
On December 03 2012 06:13 iCanada wrote:
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On December 03 2012 06:11 Sponkz wrote:
On December 03 2012 06:08 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
On December 03 2012 06:03 iCanada wrote:
On December 03 2012 05:54 nafta wrote:
On December 03 2012 05:49 iCanada wrote:
On December 03 2012 05:44 BlueSpace wrote:
On December 03 2012 05:40 Caphe wrote:
On December 03 2012 05:34 1ntrigue wrote:
On December 03 2012 05:32 Caphe wrote:
Wtf Fnatic, they managed to pick a late game comp but constanly engage under bad situation at MID game where Cait and Eve are at top of their power curve?

They didn't have much choice seeing that Cait hit her lategame during Vayne's barely-midgame. Lategame Cait is probably better than lategame Vayne. At the very least, she is safer and will reliably do damage even if she gets a bad engage (see all fights).

Explain to me how Fnatic did not has much choices? Cait were ahead but not that ahead (she was up 30cs compare to vayne) at the time of the mid tower dive. That dive made no sense at all while you can just split push all day with a farmed Shen(Shen was like 1 kill ahead of Irealia and up in cs too)

Fnatic dove cait and failed, resulting in a full blow 5v5. Vayne wasn't that far behind in CS, but cait didn't buy any Dorans and had already PD+IE. Vayne at that point had only PD and a BF. So Vayne wasn't behind in gold that much, but a lot in items.
Actually you might even say, that this is a result of peke dying to Baron. He lost stacks afterwards and had to replenish them by using feast. If feast would have been availble in the engagement, maybe they could have managed to bring down cait and turned the fight and the game in their favour.


Cait was pretty ahead in CS.

That and just rushing attack speed kind of dumb even if you maxing Vayne W. Just having a BT and Zeal instead more damage.


As someone who plays vayne often I can tell you pd is better.Vayne's attack animation isn't very good and you really need the atk speed to make it more fluent.And since everyone goes for you 24/7 extra ms is always nice :D.


I'd almost say everyone always bum rushing you makes BT more valuable, imo. You get that lifesteal, and it makes your Q much much better. The MS nice, but you can't rely on hitting the W proc in a teamfight.

I dunno, I dont play Vayne. Just seems dumb to me. I guess it scales with Bonus AD on ult well, but... eh. I'll tests it.

What is the point in playing Vayne if you are not going to build to her strengths? You might as well pick literally any other adc if you're just going to build standard. Vayne is one of the few ADCs that scales well off of pure aspd, the other being Kogmaw.



I just don't get why he maxed W instead of Q, when he went straight for a PD. The only damage he's doing comes from W cus of his low AD.


Exactly.

I dunno... Make more sense max Q>E>W. level 5 W just 60 true damage +8%HP... unless you hitting a triple warmog Mundo you do more damage just getting AD and maxxing Q... then you also not limited to the stupid 3 target strike thing.

<_<

That and Vayne literally only AD in the entire game with an autoattack reset, but rush attack speed on her? I think it silly.


The animation on Q is so long that using it as an attack reset is fairly pointless. Even with just Zerker's you're going to attack as fast/faster by not using Q. Q's real value is in creating distance and getting some damage back as compensation for the trouble.

Also, Sivir has an auto-attack reset (and one that doesn't involve a super-long animation).

The power of maxing W is that it gives Vayne a stronger mid-game. You won't have much armor penetration at that point, at least in Season 2, so Q's bonus damage is going to be mitigated to an extent (especially if Tabi are being used). Even with a fully stacked Bloodthirster at level 9, Rank 5 Q might only deal an extra 60 damage or less post-mitigation. Your target only needs 1500 health (which is low for a bruiser/tank at that point) for W to triple the damage of a Q. Even if you can get 3 Qs for every W proc you're at best even.

So with or without items, or even much attack speed, W is really strong. Obviously this depends on your ability to actually get procs, but if you ever wondered how the hell that Vayne you were crushing in lane was able to triple kill your team, it isn't because they were maxing Q.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
DragoonTT
Profile Joined April 2012
3398 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-02 21:58:49
December 02 2012 21:57 GMT
#6892
fnatic needs an Oracle, with all those wards (especially pinks) TPA is throwing around. Life for peke gonna be hard soon

Edit: fkn Cyanide camping on a ward with oracle in his inventory
Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
December 02 2012 21:59 GMT
#6893
Oh btw has this been posted here already?

+ Show Spoiler +
https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/429554_10151323135680126_1979803913_n.jpg


Mistake is pretty far behind. Still no gp10 on him.
- TEAM LIQUID - doctorbeat on LoL
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
December 02 2012 21:59 GMT
#6894
On December 03 2012 06:57 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2012 06:13 iCanada wrote:
On December 03 2012 06:11 Sponkz wrote:
On December 03 2012 06:08 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
On December 03 2012 06:03 iCanada wrote:
On December 03 2012 05:54 nafta wrote:
On December 03 2012 05:49 iCanada wrote:
On December 03 2012 05:44 BlueSpace wrote:
On December 03 2012 05:40 Caphe wrote:
On December 03 2012 05:34 1ntrigue wrote:
[quote]
They didn't have much choice seeing that Cait hit her lategame during Vayne's barely-midgame. Lategame Cait is probably better than lategame Vayne. At the very least, she is safer and will reliably do damage even if she gets a bad engage (see all fights).

Explain to me how Fnatic did not has much choices? Cait were ahead but not that ahead (she was up 30cs compare to vayne) at the time of the mid tower dive. That dive made no sense at all while you can just split push all day with a farmed Shen(Shen was like 1 kill ahead of Irealia and up in cs too)

Fnatic dove cait and failed, resulting in a full blow 5v5. Vayne wasn't that far behind in CS, but cait didn't buy any Dorans and had already PD+IE. Vayne at that point had only PD and a BF. So Vayne wasn't behind in gold that much, but a lot in items.
Actually you might even say, that this is a result of peke dying to Baron. He lost stacks afterwards and had to replenish them by using feast. If feast would have been availble in the engagement, maybe they could have managed to bring down cait and turned the fight and the game in their favour.


Cait was pretty ahead in CS.

That and just rushing attack speed kind of dumb even if you maxing Vayne W. Just having a BT and Zeal instead more damage.


As someone who plays vayne often I can tell you pd is better.Vayne's attack animation isn't very good and you really need the atk speed to make it more fluent.And since everyone goes for you 24/7 extra ms is always nice :D.


I'd almost say everyone always bum rushing you makes BT more valuable, imo. You get that lifesteal, and it makes your Q much much better. The MS nice, but you can't rely on hitting the W proc in a teamfight.

I dunno, I dont play Vayne. Just seems dumb to me. I guess it scales with Bonus AD on ult well, but... eh. I'll tests it.

What is the point in playing Vayne if you are not going to build to her strengths? You might as well pick literally any other adc if you're just going to build standard. Vayne is one of the few ADCs that scales well off of pure aspd, the other being Kogmaw.



I just don't get why he maxed W instead of Q, when he went straight for a PD. The only damage he's doing comes from W cus of his low AD.


Exactly.

I dunno... Make more sense max Q>E>W. level 5 W just 60 true damage +8%HP... unless you hitting a triple warmog Mundo you do more damage just getting AD and maxxing Q... then you also not limited to the stupid 3 target strike thing.

<_<

That and Vayne literally only AD in the entire game with an autoattack reset, but rush attack speed on her? I think it silly.


The animation on Q is so long that using it as an attack reset is fairly pointless. Even with just Zerker's you're going to attack as fast/faster by not using Q. Q's real value is in creating distance and getting some damage back as compensation for the trouble.

Also, Sivir has an auto-attack reset (and one that doesn't involve a super-long animation).

The power of maxing W is that it gives Vayne a stronger mid-game. You won't have much armor penetration at that point, at least in Season 2, so Q's bonus damage is going to be mitigated to an extent (especially if Tabi are being used). Even with a fully stacked Bloodthirster at level 9, Rank 5 Q might only deal an extra 60 damage or less post-mitigation. Your target only needs 1500 health (which is low for a bruiser/tank at that point) for W to triple the damage of a Q. Even if you can get 3 Qs for every W proc you're at best even.

So with or without items, or even much attack speed, W is really strong. Obviously this depends on your ability to actually get procs, but if you ever wondered how the hell that Vayne you were crushing in lane was able to triple kill your team, it isn't because they were maxing Q.


this is not true at all, especially not until you have a PD, why do you think you can auto Q Auto to get 2 cs with would die almost at the same time while just standing there and Autoing twice wouldnt have got them.
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
December 02 2012 22:00 GMT
#6895
This is why Leona is my favorite support. MAKE ALL THE PLAYZ.
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
December 02 2012 22:00 GMT
#6896
Damnit Toyz why you no flash to wraiths, you saw Leona coming T_T
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
Crownlol
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3726 Posts
December 02 2012 22:00 GMT
#6897
Why does my player have to "catch up" so much? Even on 360 I can't watch more than 10-20 seconds of video without it needing to buffer.

Anyone else?
shaGuar :: elemeNt :: XeqtR :: naikon :: method
Beyonder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands15103 Posts
December 02 2012 22:01 GMT
#6898
I like how cocky Dlift called fnatics bot lane weaker. They are fucking awesome and have been this entire tourney
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DragoonTT
Profile Joined April 2012
3398 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-02 22:02:35
December 02 2012 22:01 GMT
#6899
fnatic keeps diving without knowing the position of Cho'Gath and lose members to it. And no shen ult either

Edit: ok now that's just mean. Poor Toyz

Edit2: and now Lilballz. Fnatic big meanies
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
December 02 2012 22:01 GMT
#6900
TPA somehow keeping up in cs. Going to be really important for them.

Leona roam so scary.
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
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