• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 16:10
CEST 22:10
KST 05:10
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2914Serral wins Maestros of the Game 243ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12
Community News
Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16)29Reynor: GSL Loss Wasn't About Preparation Format16[IPSL] Spring 2026 Grand Finals - This Weekend!5Weekly Cups (July 6 - 12): Protoss strike back12BSL Season 22 Full Overview & Conclusion8
StarCraft 2
General
Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) [D] Wireframe Casting Removed Clem: "I don't have that much hope in Blizzard" Reynor: GSL Loss Wasn't About Preparation Format Is the larve respawn broken?
Tourneys
Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) WardiTV Summer Cup 2026 GSL CK #5 Race War RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event HomeStory Cup 29
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
New Map Maker - Looking for Advice - Love or Hate Work In Progress Melee Maps [D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 534 Burning Evacuation Mutation # 533 Die Together Mutation # 532 Nuclear Family
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion Recent recommended BW games Recommended FPV games (post-KeSPA) Etiquete rules in Asl? Pros Debate: Zerg Unfairly Nerfed? (ASL S22 map)
Tourneys
Escore Tournament - Season 3 Small VOD Thread 2.0 [IPSL] Spring 2026 Grand Finals - This Weekend! [Megathread] Daily Proleagues
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Relatively freeroll strategies
Other Games
General Games
General RTS Discussion Thread Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread Beyond All Reason Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI Russo-Ukrainian War Thread UK Politics Mega-thread YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club The HerO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Series you have seen recently...
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread MLB/Baseball 2023 McBoner: A hockey love story Tennis[sport] Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Simple Questions Simple Answers FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop How to clean a TTe Thermaltake keyboard?
TL Community
Northern Ireland Global Starcraft The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Poker (part 2)
Nebuchad
The Experiences We Want and …
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 8268 users

[IPL] IPL5 Discussion - Page 346

Forum Index > LoL Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 344 345 346 347 348 398 Next
shinarit
Profile Joined May 2010
Hungary900 Posts
December 02 2012 22:01 GMT
#6901
They let Bebe farm. AGAIN. Why.
T for BoxeR, Z for IdrA, P because i have no self-respect
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
December 02 2012 22:02 GMT
#6902
This is like Game 1 of TPA and WE's last series.

Inc LWW?
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
December 02 2012 22:02 GMT
#6903
Fnatic just tower diving left and right
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
December 02 2012 22:02 GMT
#6904
On December 03 2012 07:00 AsmodeusXI wrote:
This is why Leona is my favorite support. MAKE ALL THE PLAYZ.

Anytime I've played her I just die and get behind and feel useless, maybe I should try her again.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
December 02 2012 22:02 GMT
#6905
On December 03 2012 07:01 shinarit wrote:
They let Bebe farm. AGAIN. Why.

IE v BF. Rekkles so far ahead.
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
little fancy
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany2504 Posts
December 02 2012 22:03 GMT
#6906
Fnatic surprises me very much, I like that. But they have to win 4 games of this series to be the overall winner, correct?


On another note: I LOVE this IPL for three reasons: Vayne, Cait and Olaf getting picked frequently which are all champs I really liked to play for ages already.
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
December 02 2012 22:03 GMT
#6907
On December 03 2012 07:02 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2012 07:00 AsmodeusXI wrote:
This is why Leona is my favorite support. MAKE ALL THE PLAYZ.

Anytime I've played her I just die and get behind and feel useless, maybe I should try her again.

Biggest problem is having your team actually follow up and make sure to proc your passive quickly so you can reapply it and not waste passive procs.
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
Beyonder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands15103 Posts
December 02 2012 22:03 GMT
#6908
On December 03 2012 07:01 shinarit wrote:
They let Bebe farm. AGAIN. Why.

wtf do you suggest they do more than they are doing now? fnatic is playing awesome
Moderator
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
December 02 2012 22:04 GMT
#6909
Mistake is basically a walking ATM right now
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
DragoonTT
Profile Joined April 2012
3398 Posts
December 02 2012 22:04 GMT
#6910
Sona is but a minion to Rekkles
Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
December 02 2012 22:04 GMT
#6911
On December 03 2012 07:03 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2012 07:02 onlywonderboy wrote:
On December 03 2012 07:00 AsmodeusXI wrote:
This is why Leona is my favorite support. MAKE ALL THE PLAYZ.

Anytime I've played her I just die and get behind and feel useless, maybe I should try her again.

Biggest problem is having your team actually follow up and make sure to proc your passive quickly so you can reapply it and not waste passive procs.


Which is why Leona+Corki was so popular. Corki E will proc all the Leona passives!
- TEAM LIQUID - doctorbeat on LoL
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
December 02 2012 22:05 GMT
#6912
19 min and Ez Ult can 100% clear a minion wave without any prior damage needed.

Two mid towers gold now. Leona diving hard to set up them kills.
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
December 02 2012 22:05 GMT
#6913
On December 03 2012 06:59 AsnSensation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2012 06:57 Seuss wrote:
On December 03 2012 06:13 iCanada wrote:
On December 03 2012 06:11 Sponkz wrote:
On December 03 2012 06:08 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
On December 03 2012 06:03 iCanada wrote:
On December 03 2012 05:54 nafta wrote:
On December 03 2012 05:49 iCanada wrote:
On December 03 2012 05:44 BlueSpace wrote:
On December 03 2012 05:40 Caphe wrote:
[quote]
Explain to me how Fnatic did not has much choices? Cait were ahead but not that ahead (she was up 30cs compare to vayne) at the time of the mid tower dive. That dive made no sense at all while you can just split push all day with a farmed Shen(Shen was like 1 kill ahead of Irealia and up in cs too)

Fnatic dove cait and failed, resulting in a full blow 5v5. Vayne wasn't that far behind in CS, but cait didn't buy any Dorans and had already PD+IE. Vayne at that point had only PD and a BF. So Vayne wasn't behind in gold that much, but a lot in items.
Actually you might even say, that this is a result of peke dying to Baron. He lost stacks afterwards and had to replenish them by using feast. If feast would have been availble in the engagement, maybe they could have managed to bring down cait and turned the fight and the game in their favour.


Cait was pretty ahead in CS.

That and just rushing attack speed kind of dumb even if you maxing Vayne W. Just having a BT and Zeal instead more damage.


As someone who plays vayne often I can tell you pd is better.Vayne's attack animation isn't very good and you really need the atk speed to make it more fluent.And since everyone goes for you 24/7 extra ms is always nice :D.


I'd almost say everyone always bum rushing you makes BT more valuable, imo. You get that lifesteal, and it makes your Q much much better. The MS nice, but you can't rely on hitting the W proc in a teamfight.

I dunno, I dont play Vayne. Just seems dumb to me. I guess it scales with Bonus AD on ult well, but... eh. I'll tests it.

What is the point in playing Vayne if you are not going to build to her strengths? You might as well pick literally any other adc if you're just going to build standard. Vayne is one of the few ADCs that scales well off of pure aspd, the other being Kogmaw.



I just don't get why he maxed W instead of Q, when he went straight for a PD. The only damage he's doing comes from W cus of his low AD.


Exactly.

I dunno... Make more sense max Q>E>W. level 5 W just 60 true damage +8%HP... unless you hitting a triple warmog Mundo you do more damage just getting AD and maxxing Q... then you also not limited to the stupid 3 target strike thing.

<_<

That and Vayne literally only AD in the entire game with an autoattack reset, but rush attack speed on her? I think it silly.


The animation on Q is so long that using it as an attack reset is fairly pointless. Even with just Zerker's you're going to attack as fast/faster by not using Q. Q's real value is in creating distance and getting some damage back as compensation for the trouble.

Also, Sivir has an auto-attack reset (and one that doesn't involve a super-long animation).

The power of maxing W is that it gives Vayne a stronger mid-game. You won't have much armor penetration at that point, at least in Season 2, so Q's bonus damage is going to be mitigated to an extent (especially if Tabi are being used). Even with a fully stacked Bloodthirster at level 9, Rank 5 Q might only deal an extra 60 damage or less post-mitigation. Your target only needs 1500 health (which is low for a bruiser/tank at that point) for W to triple the damage of a Q. Even if you can get 3 Qs for every W proc you're at best even.

So with or without items, or even much attack speed, W is really strong. Obviously this depends on your ability to actually get procs, but if you ever wondered how the hell that Vayne you were crushing in lane was able to triple kill your team, it isn't because they were maxing Q.


this is not true at all, especially not until you have a PD, why do you think you can auto Q Auto to get 2 cs with would die almost at the same time while just standing there and Autoing twice wouldnt have got them.


I can auto Q to get 2 CS before I purchase any attack speed, but once I have Zerker's the difference is extremely small.


This Sona, trying TapiocaBall strategy for Sona.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
December 02 2012 22:05 GMT
#6914
On December 03 2012 07:03 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2012 07:02 onlywonderboy wrote:
On December 03 2012 07:00 AsmodeusXI wrote:
This is why Leona is my favorite support. MAKE ALL THE PLAYZ.

Anytime I've played her I just die and get behind and feel useless, maybe I should try her again.

Biggest problem is having your team actually follow up and make sure to proc your passive quickly so you can reapply it and not waste passive procs.

Yeah, I only ever play her with people I know, but I guess I just overestimated my damage and tankiness. I WILL TRY AGAIN. I like her kit in theory ha.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
December 02 2012 22:05 GMT
#6915
On December 03 2012 07:02 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2012 07:00 AsmodeusXI wrote:
This is why Leona is my favorite support. MAKE ALL THE PLAYZ.

Anytime I've played her I just die and get behind and feel useless, maybe I should try her again.


I'm no expert (at all), but I tend to just ask my AD if they play aggressive or not. If they say yes, Leona so fun. Also, I <3 Leona Mobo boots. Always make plays, never not make plays.
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
December 02 2012 22:06 GMT
#6916
Has Toyz used his Ult to gank yet? I'm not sure he has.
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
Jaksiel
Profile Joined November 2008
United States4130 Posts
December 02 2012 22:06 GMT
#6917
On December 03 2012 07:03 little fancy wrote:
Fnatic surprises me very much, I like that. But they have to win 4 games of this series to be the overall winner, correct?


Nope, this is loser's bracket final, straight best of 3.
Zero fighting.
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9234 Posts
December 02 2012 22:06 GMT
#6918
nRated was always the best Leona in EU, this is why.
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
December 02 2012 22:06 GMT
#6919
On December 03 2012 07:04 Doctorbeat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2012 07:03 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
On December 03 2012 07:02 onlywonderboy wrote:
On December 03 2012 07:00 AsmodeusXI wrote:
This is why Leona is my favorite support. MAKE ALL THE PLAYZ.

Anytime I've played her I just die and get behind and feel useless, maybe I should try her again.

Biggest problem is having your team actually follow up and make sure to proc your passive quickly so you can reapply it and not waste passive procs.


Which is why Leona+Corki was so popular. Corki E will proc all the Leona passives!


Leona/draven best lane !
shinarit
Profile Joined May 2010
Hungary900 Posts
December 02 2012 22:06 GMT
#6920
On December 03 2012 07:03 Beyonder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2012 07:01 shinarit wrote:
They let Bebe farm. AGAIN. Why.

wtf do you suggest they do more than they are doing now? fnatic is playing awesome


Im just paranoid. It wouldnt be the first awesome beginning turning into a Bebe killfest. Also, now i get the feeling that Asian teams just let one game go to hell, to make things more interesting. Real crowd players.
T for BoxeR, Z for IdrA, P because i have no self-respect
Prev 1 344 345 346 347 348 398 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 3h 51m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
mouzHeroMarine 662
UpATreeSC 282
ZombieGrub94
CosmosSc2 48
JuggernautJason33
StarCraft: Brood War
HiyA 64
NaDa 16
ajuk12(nOOB) 7
Dota 2
qojqva3220
Counter-Strike
ScreaM1188
fl0m1164
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox278
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu381
Other Games
tarik_tv6045
Grubby2455
shahzam751
B2W.Neo453
XaKoH 217
mouzStarbuck177
ToD141
Livibee68
Trikslyr50
SteadfastSC35
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick2081
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 108
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• sooper7s
• intothetv
• Migwel
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• blackmanpl 30
• HerbMon 22
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota2538
League of Legends
• TFBlade983
Other Games
• imaqtpie1027
• Shiphtur523
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
3h 51m
RSL Revival
12h 51m
Clem vs Lambo
Scarlett vs Cure
CranKy Ducklings
13h 51m
Epic.LAN
16h 51m
IPSL
19h 51m
Dragon vs Hawk
RSL Revival
1d 12h
Classic vs Trap
herO vs SHIN
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 13h
OSC
1d 16h
IPSL
1d 19h
Bonyth vs Ret
WardiTV Weekly
2 days
[ Show More ]
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
PiGosaur Cup
4 days
The PondCast
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
CrankTV Team League
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
CrankTV Team League
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-07-13
HSC XXIX
Eternal Conflict S2 E2

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
Acropolis #4
YSL S3
CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
Escore Tournament S3: W3
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
SCTL 2026 Spring
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026

Upcoming

ASL S22 SEASON OPEN Day 1
Escore Tournament S3: W4
ASL S22 SEASON OPEN Day 2
Escore Tournament S3: W5
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
Light Tournament 2026
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale
Eternal Conflict S2 E3
Logitech G Connect 2026
StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.