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obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
December 02 2012 20:59 GMT
#6801
I still think of Cait as pretty trash pubber, but in this tower push meta where she always gets nunu support its definitely more viable.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
December 02 2012 21:00 GMT
#6802
On December 03 2012 05:49 iCanada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2012 05:44 BlueSpace wrote:
On December 03 2012 05:40 Caphe wrote:
On December 03 2012 05:34 1ntrigue wrote:
On December 03 2012 05:32 Caphe wrote:
Wtf Fnatic, they managed to pick a late game comp but constanly engage under bad situation at MID game where Cait and Eve are at top of their power curve?

They didn't have much choice seeing that Cait hit her lategame during Vayne's barely-midgame. Lategame Cait is probably better than lategame Vayne. At the very least, she is safer and will reliably do damage even if she gets a bad engage (see all fights).

Explain to me how Fnatic did not has much choices? Cait were ahead but not that ahead (she was up 30cs compare to vayne) at the time of the mid tower dive. That dive made no sense at all while you can just split push all day with a farmed Shen(Shen was like 1 kill ahead of Irealia and up in cs too)

Fnatic dove cait and failed, resulting in a full blow 5v5. Vayne wasn't that far behind in CS, but cait didn't buy any Dorans and had already PD+IE. Vayne at that point had only PD and a BF. So Vayne wasn't behind in gold that much, but a lot in items.
Actually you might even say, that this is a result of peke dying to Baron. He lost stacks afterwards and had to replenish them by using feast. If feast would have been availble in the engagement, maybe they could have managed to bring down cait and turned the fight and the game in their favour.


Cait was pretty ahead in CS.

That and just rushing attack speed kind of dumb even if you maxing Vayne W. Just having a BT and Zeal instead more damage.

That's pretty much the standard build on Vayne now, where have you been for the past half year?
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
December 02 2012 21:00 GMT
#6803
On December 03 2012 05:58 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
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On December 03 2012 05:53 MooMooMugi wrote:
On December 03 2012 05:50 Sponkz wrote:
On December 03 2012 05:49 Slow Motion wrote:
They should let Doublelift and Scarra talk more in these things. I mean we get to hear Phreak's opinion on things for hours on end. Need more of that pro perspective.



You do know, that phreak got diamond in s2 right? He's not pro, but not dumb either.

Yeah from getting carried in ranked 5s

Phreak was a top LoL player before he worked for Riot, he also got two or three accounts into the top 1000 s1 and at least plat on two in s2?

I mean, he's definitely better than every other caster at this game except maybe Dan Dinh.

RedBaron is apparently 2k+ Elo. Jatt is also pretty good and was.. 2.3k elo last Season I think (and a former pro at that too)?
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
December 02 2012 21:00 GMT
#6804
On December 03 2012 05:59 Slow Motion wrote:
What were Doublelift's comments on Rekkles that Pluto refered to? They never really got into that.

In an interview with Travis after Day 1 (before the CLG v Fnatic game) he said Rekkles is trash.
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
skykh
Profile Joined September 2012
3006 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-02 21:02:04
December 02 2012 21:01 GMT
#6805
On December 03 2012 05:58 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2012 05:53 MooMooMugi wrote:
On December 03 2012 05:50 Sponkz wrote:
On December 03 2012 05:49 Slow Motion wrote:
They should let Doublelift and Scarra talk more in these things. I mean we get to hear Phreak's opinion on things for hours on end. Need more of that pro perspective.



You do know, that phreak got diamond in s2 right? He's not pro, but not dumb either.

Yeah from getting carried in ranked 5s

Phreak was a top LoL player before he worked for Riot, he also got two or three accounts into the top 1000 s1 and at least plat on two in s2?

I mean, he's definitely better than every other caster at this game except maybe Dan Dinh.

[edit] OH TOTALLY FORGOT JATT [/edit]


Jatt
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
December 02 2012 21:02 GMT
#6806
On December 03 2012 06:00 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2012 05:58 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
On December 03 2012 05:53 MooMooMugi wrote:
On December 03 2012 05:50 Sponkz wrote:
On December 03 2012 05:49 Slow Motion wrote:
They should let Doublelift and Scarra talk more in these things. I mean we get to hear Phreak's opinion on things for hours on end. Need more of that pro perspective.



You do know, that phreak got diamond in s2 right? He's not pro, but not dumb either.

Yeah from getting carried in ranked 5s

Phreak was a top LoL player before he worked for Riot, he also got two or three accounts into the top 1000 s1 and at least plat on two in s2?

I mean, he's definitely better than every other caster at this game except maybe Dan Dinh.

RedBaron is apparently 2k+ Elo. Jatt is also pretty good and was.. 2.3k elo last Season I think (and a former pro at that too)?

Yeah, I forgot about Jatt, I didn't know RedBaron was 2k either but I don't think there's much difference between them in skill, I've played with Phreak and if he actually tryhards at the game he's really good.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-02 21:04:56
December 02 2012 21:03 GMT
#6807
On December 03 2012 05:54 nafta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2012 05:49 iCanada wrote:
On December 03 2012 05:44 BlueSpace wrote:
On December 03 2012 05:40 Caphe wrote:
On December 03 2012 05:34 1ntrigue wrote:
On December 03 2012 05:32 Caphe wrote:
Wtf Fnatic, they managed to pick a late game comp but constanly engage under bad situation at MID game where Cait and Eve are at top of their power curve?

They didn't have much choice seeing that Cait hit her lategame during Vayne's barely-midgame. Lategame Cait is probably better than lategame Vayne. At the very least, she is safer and will reliably do damage even if she gets a bad engage (see all fights).

Explain to me how Fnatic did not has much choices? Cait were ahead but not that ahead (she was up 30cs compare to vayne) at the time of the mid tower dive. That dive made no sense at all while you can just split push all day with a farmed Shen(Shen was like 1 kill ahead of Irealia and up in cs too)

Fnatic dove cait and failed, resulting in a full blow 5v5. Vayne wasn't that far behind in CS, but cait didn't buy any Dorans and had already PD+IE. Vayne at that point had only PD and a BF. So Vayne wasn't behind in gold that much, but a lot in items.
Actually you might even say, that this is a result of peke dying to Baron. He lost stacks afterwards and had to replenish them by using feast. If feast would have been availble in the engagement, maybe they could have managed to bring down cait and turned the fight and the game in their favour.


Cait was pretty ahead in CS.

That and just rushing attack speed kind of dumb even if you maxing Vayne W. Just having a BT and Zeal instead more damage.


As someone who plays vayne often I can tell you pd is better.Vayne's attack animation isn't very good and you really need the atk speed to make it more fluent.And since everyone goes for you 24/7 extra ms is always nice :D.


I'd almost say everyone always bum rushing you makes BT more valuable, imo. You get that lifesteal, and it makes your Q much much better. The MS nice, but you can't rely on hitting the W proc in a teamfight.

I dunno, I dont play Vayne. Just seems dumb to me. I guess it scales with Bonus AD on ult well, but... eh. I'll tests it.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
December 02 2012 21:03 GMT
#6808
On December 03 2012 05:23 jgoonld wrote:
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On December 03 2012 05:22 Volband wrote:
On December 03 2012 05:17 GARO wrote:
On December 03 2012 05:16 nafta wrote:
On December 03 2012 05:16 Redox wrote:
On December 03 2012 05:14 nafta wrote:
How is caitlyn going to outdmg vayne wtf phreak.How can you not understand this game that much.

By having Nunu on is team.


Vayne still does more dmg lol.Have you not played these champions?

Have you even watched this tournament? Caitlyn is paired with a Nunu for a reason.

Why do people hate on Phreak? Am I the only one enjoys his insights and thinks he's not annoying at ALL? (Which can't be said about that guy(hatperson I think), who laughs for 2 minutes like an idiot, if a ward is killed...)


I'm not a huge Phreak fan, but he's been a lot better in this tournament. I think he's a lot better when not paired with Rivington.

2 weeks ago you could catch him on stream practicing casting in preparation for IPL5. That was both informative and pretty nice to see.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Filter
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada620 Posts
December 02 2012 21:03 GMT
#6809
On December 03 2012 05:59 Caphe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2012 05:55 Filter wrote:
The biggest difference between LoL players and SC2 players is obvious during this interview. Doublelift showing no class, no grace and adding nothing good to the interview. Scarra on the other hand is representing his team professionally, while providing the same level of information.

SC2 players have for whatever reason by and large already learned how to be professional while still showing personality, with a few exceptions. League seems to be the other way around so far, with most players not acting professional and the ones that do being the exception.

Well LoL is a team game so you cant elaborate the whole team in a short amount of time, while if you ask someone about someone in SC2, its pretty much the personal experience and that makes it much more accurate.
Also, you can't interview top players in SC2 that much cos they are all Korean while in LoL it doesn't come to that point yet -_-.



I think it's more down to the fact that there isn't really any upper management structure there to teach some of these guys how to act yet. CLG, TSM and Curse don't really have anything in the way of esports history and there are no older guys who have been around for awhile to teach these guys what to do. Totally different with teams like Blaze, Dignitas, M5 and SK Gaming so far those guys seem are the right track in terms of professionalism.
Live hard, live free.
Sagamantha
Profile Joined September 2011
United States339 Posts
December 02 2012 21:03 GMT
#6810
On December 03 2012 05:57 Redox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2012 05:55 Filter wrote:
The biggest difference between LoL players and SC2 players is obvious during this interview. Doublelift showing no class, no grace and adding nothing good to the interview. Scarra on the other hand is representing his team professionally, while providing the same level of information.

SC2 players have for whatever reason by and large already learned how to be professional while still showing personality, with a few exceptions. League seems to be the other way around so far, with most players not acting professional and the ones that do being the exception.

Yeah sure.

Lol players in general are leagues ahead of sc2 players when it comes to interviews etc.



Perhaps, the lack of "good" sc2 player interviews comes from the language barrier. After all, most of the players who get interviewed are Korean and generally aren't fluent in English, or are only partially fluent. On that note, the player interviews with the semi-fluent are usually great, cute, and it's really cool to see that they are trying so hard to get to know/communicate with their fans.
trueCOMEHfan [16:21] <Qbek> hey sagamama [16:21] <Qbek> you ain;t targe bad
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
December 02 2012 21:04 GMT
#6811
On December 03 2012 06:00 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2012 05:59 Slow Motion wrote:
What were Doublelift's comments on Rekkles that Pluto refered to? They never really got into that.

In an interview with Travis after Day 1 (before the CLG v Fnatic game) he said Rekkles is trash.

Which is kind of an unfair asessment because Rekkles is only 16 and basically just started with professional LoL. The amazing thing is that he can alrewady compete with players like Doublelift who do that for nearly 2 years now, even if he is not as good already.
Off-season = best season
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
December 02 2012 21:06 GMT
#6812
On December 03 2012 06:04 Redox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2012 06:00 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
On December 03 2012 05:59 Slow Motion wrote:
What were Doublelift's comments on Rekkles that Pluto refered to? They never really got into that.

In an interview with Travis after Day 1 (before the CLG v Fnatic game) he said Rekkles is trash.

Which is kind of an unfair asessment because Rekkles is only 16 and basically just started with professional LoL. The amazing thing is that he can alrewady compete with players like Doublelift who do that for nearly 2 years now, even if he is not as good already.


Well playing ad is all about mechanics and rekkles has been playing for quite a long time as well.Don't see why he can't be really good.Just look at how good sc:bw/sc2 players we've seen that are 14 and just roflstomp.
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
December 02 2012 21:06 GMT
#6813
Is this music video from MadTV or something
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
Beyonder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands15103 Posts
December 02 2012 21:06 GMT
#6814
Ill go watch some porn, easier to explain than this
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Shivaz
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1783 Posts
December 02 2012 21:07 GMT
#6815
On December 03 2012 06:06 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
Is this music video from MadTV or something


its from keegan and peele's show
Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
December 02 2012 21:07 GMT
#6816
On December 03 2012 06:04 Redox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2012 06:00 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
On December 03 2012 05:59 Slow Motion wrote:
What were Doublelift's comments on Rekkles that Pluto refered to? They never really got into that.

In an interview with Travis after Day 1 (before the CLG v Fnatic game) he said Rekkles is trash.

Which is kind of an unfair asessment because Rekkles is only 16 and basically just started with professional LoL. The amazing thing is that he can alrewady compete with players like Doublelift who do that for nearly 2 years now, even if he is not as good already.

You can't take DL's answers seriously. DL has a huge ego and probably he thinks hes the best in the world. After this tourney with that double penta kills, his ego will only gets bigger. He would say that Wx is trash too if somehow CLG.NA manage to beat WE.

I am worried about Locodoco after this IPL, DL will just blame the fuk out of Loco even when he makes stupid play.
Terran
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
December 02 2012 21:08 GMT
#6817
On December 03 2012 06:07 Shivaz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2012 06:06 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
Is this music video from MadTV or something


its from keegan and peele's show

Oh, did they start a show after MadTV finished? Did not know. Should watch it some time. Except I have no time. QQ.
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
December 02 2012 21:08 GMT
#6818
This music... uh. I think I prefer NicoNico remixes.
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
Beyonder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands15103 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-02 21:09:06
December 02 2012 21:08 GMT
#6819
On December 03 2012 06:08 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
This music... uh. I think I prefer NicoNico remixes.

think I prefer poking my eyes with needles
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
December 02 2012 21:08 GMT
#6820
On December 03 2012 06:03 iCanada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2012 05:54 nafta wrote:
On December 03 2012 05:49 iCanada wrote:
On December 03 2012 05:44 BlueSpace wrote:
On December 03 2012 05:40 Caphe wrote:
On December 03 2012 05:34 1ntrigue wrote:
On December 03 2012 05:32 Caphe wrote:
Wtf Fnatic, they managed to pick a late game comp but constanly engage under bad situation at MID game where Cait and Eve are at top of their power curve?

They didn't have much choice seeing that Cait hit her lategame during Vayne's barely-midgame. Lategame Cait is probably better than lategame Vayne. At the very least, she is safer and will reliably do damage even if she gets a bad engage (see all fights).

Explain to me how Fnatic did not has much choices? Cait were ahead but not that ahead (she was up 30cs compare to vayne) at the time of the mid tower dive. That dive made no sense at all while you can just split push all day with a farmed Shen(Shen was like 1 kill ahead of Irealia and up in cs too)

Fnatic dove cait and failed, resulting in a full blow 5v5. Vayne wasn't that far behind in CS, but cait didn't buy any Dorans and had already PD+IE. Vayne at that point had only PD and a BF. So Vayne wasn't behind in gold that much, but a lot in items.
Actually you might even say, that this is a result of peke dying to Baron. He lost stacks afterwards and had to replenish them by using feast. If feast would have been availble in the engagement, maybe they could have managed to bring down cait and turned the fight and the game in their favour.


Cait was pretty ahead in CS.

That and just rushing attack speed kind of dumb even if you maxing Vayne W. Just having a BT and Zeal instead more damage.


As someone who plays vayne often I can tell you pd is better.Vayne's attack animation isn't very good and you really need the atk speed to make it more fluent.And since everyone goes for you 24/7 extra ms is always nice :D.


I'd almost say everyone always bum rushing you makes BT more valuable, imo. You get that lifesteal, and it makes your Q much much better. The MS nice, but you can't rely on hitting the W proc in a teamfight.

I dunno, I dont play Vayne. Just seems dumb to me. I guess it scales with Bonus AD on ult well, but... eh. I'll tests it.

What is the point in playing Vayne if you are not going to build to her strengths? You might as well pick literally any other adc if you're just going to build standard. Vayne is one of the few ADCs that scales well off of pure aspd, the other being Kogmaw.
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