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United States37500 Posts
On December 03 2012 06:06 Beyonder wrote:
Ill go watch some porn, easier to explain than this
Hi5
I luv u Bey
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I'll give mike this, I hate the first couple of days but this is a lot better!
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Beyonder
Netherlands15103 Posts
On December 03 2012 06:09 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2012 06:06 Beyonder wrote:
Ill go watch some porn, easier to explain than this Hi5 I luv u Bey
hi sir
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Wow.. had the stream muted for that DJ part..
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On December 03 2012 06:08 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2012 06:03 iCanada wrote:On December 03 2012 05:54 nafta wrote:On December 03 2012 05:49 iCanada wrote:On December 03 2012 05:44 BlueSpace wrote:On December 03 2012 05:40 Caphe wrote:On December 03 2012 05:34 1ntrigue wrote:On December 03 2012 05:32 Caphe wrote:
Wtf Fnatic, they managed to pick a late game comp but constanly engage under bad situation at MID game where Cait and Eve are at top of their power curve? They didn't have much choice seeing that Cait hit her lategame during Vayne's barely-midgame. Lategame Cait is probably better than lategame Vayne. At the very least, she is safer and will reliably do damage even if she gets a bad engage (see all fights). Explain to me how Fnatic did not has much choices? Cait were ahead but not that ahead (she was up 30cs compare to vayne) at the time of the mid tower dive. That dive made no sense at all while you can just split push all day with a farmed Shen(Shen was like 1 kill ahead of Irealia and up in cs too) Fnatic dove cait and failed, resulting in a full blow 5v5. Vayne wasn't that far behind in CS, but cait didn't buy any Dorans and had already PD+IE. Vayne at that point had only PD and a BF. So Vayne wasn't behind in gold that much, but a lot in items. Actually you might even say, that this is a result of peke dying to Baron. He lost stacks afterwards and had to replenish them by using feast. If feast would have been availble in the engagement, maybe they could have managed to bring down cait and turned the fight and the game in their favour. Cait was pretty ahead in CS. That and just rushing attack speed kind of dumb even if you maxing Vayne W. Just having a BT and Zeal instead more damage. As someone who plays vayne often I can tell you pd is better.Vayne's attack animation isn't very good and you really need the atk speed to make it more fluent.And since everyone goes for you 24/7 extra ms is always nice :D. I'd almost say everyone always bum rushing you makes BT more valuable, imo. You get that lifesteal, and it makes your Q much much better. The MS nice, but you can't rely on hitting the W proc in a teamfight. I dunno, I dont play Vayne. Just seems dumb to me. I guess it scales with Bonus AD on ult well, but... eh. I'll tests it. What is the point in playing Vayne if you are not going to build to her strengths? You might as well pick literally any other adc if you're just going to build standard. Vayne is one of the few ADCs that scales well off of pure aspd, the other being Kogmaw.
I just don't get why he maxed W instead of Q, when he went straight for a PD. The only damage he's doing comes from W cus of his low AD.
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Ok, gotta sleep now. You guys have fun watching !!! I am gonna root for TPA in my dream 
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On December 03 2012 06:10 Firesilver wrote:
Wow.. had the stream muted for that DJ part..
Good choice. I'm not sure that even counts as music :/.
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United States23745 Posts
On December 03 2012 06:08 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2012 06:03 iCanada wrote:On December 03 2012 05:54 nafta wrote:On December 03 2012 05:49 iCanada wrote:On December 03 2012 05:44 BlueSpace wrote:On December 03 2012 05:40 Caphe wrote:On December 03 2012 05:34 1ntrigue wrote:On December 03 2012 05:32 Caphe wrote:
Wtf Fnatic, they managed to pick a late game comp but constanly engage under bad situation at MID game where Cait and Eve are at top of their power curve? They didn't have much choice seeing that Cait hit her lategame during Vayne's barely-midgame. Lategame Cait is probably better than lategame Vayne. At the very least, she is safer and will reliably do damage even if she gets a bad engage (see all fights). Explain to me how Fnatic did not has much choices? Cait were ahead but not that ahead (she was up 30cs compare to vayne) at the time of the mid tower dive. That dive made no sense at all while you can just split push all day with a farmed Shen(Shen was like 1 kill ahead of Irealia and up in cs too) Fnatic dove cait and failed, resulting in a full blow 5v5. Vayne wasn't that far behind in CS, but cait didn't buy any Dorans and had already PD+IE. Vayne at that point had only PD and a BF. So Vayne wasn't behind in gold that much, but a lot in items. Actually you might even say, that this is a result of peke dying to Baron. He lost stacks afterwards and had to replenish them by using feast. If feast would have been availble in the engagement, maybe they could have managed to bring down cait and turned the fight and the game in their favour. Cait was pretty ahead in CS. That and just rushing attack speed kind of dumb even if you maxing Vayne W. Just having a BT and Zeal instead more damage. As someone who plays vayne often I can tell you pd is better.Vayne's attack animation isn't very good and you really need the atk speed to make it more fluent.And since everyone goes for you 24/7 extra ms is always nice :D. I'd almost say everyone always bum rushing you makes BT more valuable, imo. You get that lifesteal, and it makes your Q much much better. The MS nice, but you can't rely on hitting the W proc in a teamfight. I dunno, I dont play Vayne. Just seems dumb to me. I guess it scales with Bonus AD on ult well, but... eh. I'll tests it. What is the point in playing Vayne if you are not going to build to her strengths? You might as well pick literally any other adc if you're just going to build standard. Vayne is one of the few ADCs that scales well off of pure aspd, the other being Kogmaw.
Plus the at a pro level I'm sure the extra move speed helps for clutch prepositioning during fights. I mean they build it for a reason even if they aren't getting max DPS.
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On December 03 2012 06:11 Sponkz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2012 06:08 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:On December 03 2012 06:03 iCanada wrote:On December 03 2012 05:54 nafta wrote:On December 03 2012 05:49 iCanada wrote:On December 03 2012 05:44 BlueSpace wrote:On December 03 2012 05:40 Caphe wrote:On December 03 2012 05:34 1ntrigue wrote:On December 03 2012 05:32 Caphe wrote:
Wtf Fnatic, they managed to pick a late game comp but constanly engage under bad situation at MID game where Cait and Eve are at top of their power curve? They didn't have much choice seeing that Cait hit her lategame during Vayne's barely-midgame. Lategame Cait is probably better than lategame Vayne. At the very least, she is safer and will reliably do damage even if she gets a bad engage (see all fights). Explain to me how Fnatic did not has much choices? Cait were ahead but not that ahead (she was up 30cs compare to vayne) at the time of the mid tower dive. That dive made no sense at all while you can just split push all day with a farmed Shen(Shen was like 1 kill ahead of Irealia and up in cs too) Fnatic dove cait and failed, resulting in a full blow 5v5. Vayne wasn't that far behind in CS, but cait didn't buy any Dorans and had already PD+IE. Vayne at that point had only PD and a BF. So Vayne wasn't behind in gold that much, but a lot in items. Actually you might even say, that this is a result of peke dying to Baron. He lost stacks afterwards and had to replenish them by using feast. If feast would have been availble in the engagement, maybe they could have managed to bring down cait and turned the fight and the game in their favour. Cait was pretty ahead in CS. That and just rushing attack speed kind of dumb even if you maxing Vayne W. Just having a BT and Zeal instead more damage. As someone who plays vayne often I can tell you pd is better.Vayne's attack animation isn't very good and you really need the atk speed to make it more fluent.And since everyone goes for you 24/7 extra ms is always nice :D. I'd almost say everyone always bum rushing you makes BT more valuable, imo. You get that lifesteal, and it makes your Q much much better. The MS nice, but you can't rely on hitting the W proc in a teamfight. I dunno, I dont play Vayne. Just seems dumb to me. I guess it scales with Bonus AD on ult well, but... eh. I'll tests it. What is the point in playing Vayne if you are not going to build to her strengths? You might as well pick literally any other adc if you're just going to build standard. Vayne is one of the few ADCs that scales well off of pure aspd, the other being Kogmaw. I just don't get why he maxed W instead of Q, when he went straight for a PD. The only damage he's doing comes from W cus of his low AD.
Exactly.
I dunno... Make more sense max Q>E>W. level 5 W just 60 true damage +8%HP... unless you hitting a triple warmog Mundo you do more damage just getting AD and maxxing Q... then you also not limited to the stupid 3 target strike thing.
<_<
That and Vayne literally only AD in the entire game with an autoattack reset, but rush attack speed on her? I think it silly.
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United States23745 Posts
On December 03 2012 05:55 Filter wrote:
The biggest difference between LoL players and SC2 players is obvious during this interview. Doublelift showing no class, no grace and adding nothing good to the interview. Scarra on the other hand is representing his team professionally, while providing the same level of information.
SC2 players have for whatever reason by and large already learned how to be professional while still showing personality, with a few exceptions. League seems to be the other way around so far, with most players not acting professional and the ones that do being the exception.
Well it doesn't help that Dlift is notoriously one the worst personalities in LoL. I feel like most other players at least try to come off as mature when being interviewed. Although the amount of success varies.
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On December 03 2012 06:13 iCanada wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2012 06:11 Sponkz wrote:On December 03 2012 06:08 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:On December 03 2012 06:03 iCanada wrote:On December 03 2012 05:54 nafta wrote:On December 03 2012 05:49 iCanada wrote:On December 03 2012 05:44 BlueSpace wrote:On December 03 2012 05:40 Caphe wrote:On December 03 2012 05:34 1ntrigue wrote:On December 03 2012 05:32 Caphe wrote:
Wtf Fnatic, they managed to pick a late game comp but constanly engage under bad situation at MID game where Cait and Eve are at top of their power curve? They didn't have much choice seeing that Cait hit her lategame during Vayne's barely-midgame. Lategame Cait is probably better than lategame Vayne. At the very least, she is safer and will reliably do damage even if she gets a bad engage (see all fights). Explain to me how Fnatic did not has much choices? Cait were ahead but not that ahead (she was up 30cs compare to vayne) at the time of the mid tower dive. That dive made no sense at all while you can just split push all day with a farmed Shen(Shen was like 1 kill ahead of Irealia and up in cs too) Fnatic dove cait and failed, resulting in a full blow 5v5. Vayne wasn't that far behind in CS, but cait didn't buy any Dorans and had already PD+IE. Vayne at that point had only PD and a BF. So Vayne wasn't behind in gold that much, but a lot in items. Actually you might even say, that this is a result of peke dying to Baron. He lost stacks afterwards and had to replenish them by using feast. If feast would have been availble in the engagement, maybe they could have managed to bring down cait and turned the fight and the game in their favour. Cait was pretty ahead in CS. That and just rushing attack speed kind of dumb even if you maxing Vayne W. Just having a BT and Zeal instead more damage. As someone who plays vayne often I can tell you pd is better.Vayne's attack animation isn't very good and you really need the atk speed to make it more fluent.And since everyone goes for you 24/7 extra ms is always nice :D. I'd almost say everyone always bum rushing you makes BT more valuable, imo. You get that lifesteal, and it makes your Q much much better. The MS nice, but you can't rely on hitting the W proc in a teamfight. I dunno, I dont play Vayne. Just seems dumb to me. I guess it scales with Bonus AD on ult well, but... eh. I'll tests it. What is the point in playing Vayne if you are not going to build to her strengths? You might as well pick literally any other adc if you're just going to build standard. Vayne is one of the few ADCs that scales well off of pure aspd, the other being Kogmaw. I just don't get why he maxed W instead of Q, when he went straight for a PD. The only damage he's doing comes from W cus of his low AD. Exactly. I dunno... Make more sense max Q>E>W. level 5 W just 60 true damage +8%HP... unless you hitting a triple warmog Mundo you do more damage just getting AD and maxxing Q... then you also not limited to the stupid 3 target strike thing. <_< That and Vayne literally only AD in the entire game with an autoattack reset, but rush attack speed on her? I think it silly.
Well I always go R>q>w>e and you do pretty decent dmg.Also as vayne you just need that extra strenght in lane and very often you can't just bank and wait for a bf.
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According to zulu_nation, Doublelift can't explain what went wrong in M5 vs TPA cauz he doesn't have the level for it.
:D
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On December 03 2012 06:13 iCanada wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2012 06:11 Sponkz wrote:On December 03 2012 06:08 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:On December 03 2012 06:03 iCanada wrote:On December 03 2012 05:54 nafta wrote:On December 03 2012 05:49 iCanada wrote:On December 03 2012 05:44 BlueSpace wrote:On December 03 2012 05:40 Caphe wrote:On December 03 2012 05:34 1ntrigue wrote:On December 03 2012 05:32 Caphe wrote:
Wtf Fnatic, they managed to pick a late game comp but constanly engage under bad situation at MID game where Cait and Eve are at top of their power curve? They didn't have much choice seeing that Cait hit her lategame during Vayne's barely-midgame. Lategame Cait is probably better than lategame Vayne. At the very least, she is safer and will reliably do damage even if she gets a bad engage (see all fights). Explain to me how Fnatic did not has much choices? Cait were ahead but not that ahead (she was up 30cs compare to vayne) at the time of the mid tower dive. That dive made no sense at all while you can just split push all day with a farmed Shen(Shen was like 1 kill ahead of Irealia and up in cs too) Fnatic dove cait and failed, resulting in a full blow 5v5. Vayne wasn't that far behind in CS, but cait didn't buy any Dorans and had already PD+IE. Vayne at that point had only PD and a BF. So Vayne wasn't behind in gold that much, but a lot in items. Actually you might even say, that this is a result of peke dying to Baron. He lost stacks afterwards and had to replenish them by using feast. If feast would have been availble in the engagement, maybe they could have managed to bring down cait and turned the fight and the game in their favour. Cait was pretty ahead in CS. That and just rushing attack speed kind of dumb even if you maxing Vayne W. Just having a BT and Zeal instead more damage. As someone who plays vayne often I can tell you pd is better.Vayne's attack animation isn't very good and you really need the atk speed to make it more fluent.And since everyone goes for you 24/7 extra ms is always nice :D. I'd almost say everyone always bum rushing you makes BT more valuable, imo. You get that lifesteal, and it makes your Q much much better. The MS nice, but you can't rely on hitting the W proc in a teamfight. I dunno, I dont play Vayne. Just seems dumb to me. I guess it scales with Bonus AD on ult well, but... eh. I'll tests it. What is the point in playing Vayne if you are not going to build to her strengths? You might as well pick literally any other adc if you're just going to build standard. Vayne is one of the few ADCs that scales well off of pure aspd, the other being Kogmaw. I just don't get why he maxed W instead of Q, when he went straight for a PD. The only damage he's doing comes from W cus of his low AD. Exactly. I dunno... Make more sense max Q>E>W. level 5 W just 60 true damage +8%HP... unless you hitting a triple warmog Mundo you do more damage just getting AD and maxxing Q... then you also not limited to the stupid 3 target strike thing. <_< That and Vayne literally only AD in the entire game with an autoattack reset, but rush attack speed on her? I think it silly.
Sivir says hi with her W, not sure if you can count Teemo but his Q also resets auto.
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My understanding is that Q-max with BT first gives you more raw damage at level 9, even with the triple proc, in most circumstances except against high base hp targets. The BF Sword build up also makes trading in lane easier when you can't always get the triple hit for the proc in hectic exchanges. In mid-game fights around lvl 12 you'll nearly have maxed the second skill anyway. I haven't actually mathed it out for a range of hp and armour values though against typical targets so ymmv.
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United States23745 Posts
Baron and Hatperson...meh
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Beyonder
Netherlands15103 Posts
On December 03 2012 06:23 onlywonderboy wrote:
Baron and Hatperson...meh
That means the better casters for finals. Its how it goes :D
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I wonder who will cast the grand finals.
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On December 03 2012 06:24 Beyonder wrote:That means the better casters for finals. Its how it goes :D
The holy trinity of Jatt, Deman and Joe for the finals. Riot pls
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On December 03 2012 06:19 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
My understanding is that Q-max with BT first gives you more raw damage at level 9, even with the triple proc, in most circumstances except against high base hp targets. The BF Sword build up also makes trading in lane easier when you can't always get the triple hit for the proc in hectic exchanges. In mid-game fights around lvl 12 you'll nearly have maxed the second skill anyway. I haven't actually mathed it out for a range of hp and armour values though against typical targets so ymmv.
Yeah, I remember mathing it out a long long time ago. I also remember decided that maxxing E over W was actually stronger too, but I could be wrong.
I suppose maybe they just build it for the movespeed?
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