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iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
December 02 2012 20:49 GMT
#6781
On December 03 2012 05:44 BlueSpace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2012 05:40 Caphe wrote:
On December 03 2012 05:34 1ntrigue wrote:
On December 03 2012 05:32 Caphe wrote:
Wtf Fnatic, they managed to pick a late game comp but constanly engage under bad situation at MID game where Cait and Eve are at top of their power curve?

They didn't have much choice seeing that Cait hit her lategame during Vayne's barely-midgame. Lategame Cait is probably better than lategame Vayne. At the very least, she is safer and will reliably do damage even if she gets a bad engage (see all fights).

Explain to me how Fnatic did not has much choices? Cait were ahead but not that ahead (she was up 30cs compare to vayne) at the time of the mid tower dive. That dive made no sense at all while you can just split push all day with a farmed Shen(Shen was like 1 kill ahead of Irealia and up in cs too)

Fnatic dove cait and failed, resulting in a full blow 5v5. Vayne wasn't that far behind in CS, but cait didn't buy any Dorans and had already PD+IE. Vayne at that point had only PD and a BF. So Vayne wasn't behind in gold that much, but a lot in items.
Actually you might even say, that this is a result of peke dying to Baron. He lost stacks afterwards and had to replenish them by using feast. If feast would have been availble in the engagement, maybe they could have managed to bring down cait and turned the fight and the game in their favour.


Cait was pretty ahead in CS.

That and just rushing attack speed kind of dumb even if you maxing Vayne W. Just having a BT and Zeal instead more damage.
Slow Motion
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6960 Posts
December 02 2012 20:49 GMT
#6782
They should let Doublelift and Scarra talk more in these things. I mean we get to hear Phreak's opinion on things for hours on end. Need more of that pro perspective.
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
December 02 2012 20:50 GMT
#6783
On December 03 2012 05:49 Slow Motion wrote:
They should let Doublelift and Scarra talk more in these things. I mean we get to hear Phreak's opinion on things for hours on end. Need more of that pro perspective.



You do know, that phreak got diamond in s2 right? He's not pro, but not dumb either.
hi
allen_ami
Profile Joined December 2010
China1392 Posts
December 02 2012 20:50 GMT
#6784
WX just got targeted so hard in all these games...

coz if u dont shut him down, hes gonna destroy u
Single boy, single boy, single all the way. Online game, masturbate, we go all the way, hey! Single boy, single boy, why can't I be gay? No more wait, no more hate, let us all be gay!
qanik
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1899 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-02 20:50:39
December 02 2012 20:50 GMT
#6785
damn it Phreak and pluto need to stop talking and let the real experts share their thoughts on the topics.
Best Teemo World
shinarit
Profile Joined May 2010
Hungary900 Posts
December 02 2012 20:52 GMT
#6786
On December 03 2012 05:50 Sponkz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2012 05:49 Slow Motion wrote:
They should let Doublelift and Scarra talk more in these things. I mean we get to hear Phreak's opinion on things for hours on end. Need more of that pro perspective.


You do know, that phreak got diamond in s2 right? He's not pro, but not dumb either.


Yeah, but read what he says again: Phreak talks to us for the whole match, because he commentates it. Yeah, we know he knows the game, but he is definitely not a pro, and they have different viewpoints. We already know Phreak's, because he commentated the game.
T for BoxeR, Z for IdrA, P because i have no self-respect
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
December 02 2012 20:53 GMT
#6787
On December 03 2012 05:50 Sponkz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2012 05:49 Slow Motion wrote:
They should let Doublelift and Scarra talk more in these things. I mean we get to hear Phreak's opinion on things for hours on end. Need more of that pro perspective.



You do know, that phreak got diamond in s2 right? He's not pro, but not dumb either.

Yeah from getting carried in ranked 5s
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
jgoonld
Profile Joined November 2010
334 Posts
December 02 2012 20:53 GMT
#6788
On December 03 2012 05:50 Sponkz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2012 05:49 Slow Motion wrote:
They should let Doublelift and Scarra talk more in these things. I mean we get to hear Phreak's opinion on things for hours on end. Need more of that pro perspective.



You do know, that phreak got diamond in s2 right? He's not pro, but not dumb either.


He didn't call him dumb; he just said that we've already been listening to him for the last 2 hours. It's more interesting to listen to the others now.
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
December 02 2012 20:54 GMT
#6789
On December 03 2012 05:49 iCanada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2012 05:44 BlueSpace wrote:
On December 03 2012 05:40 Caphe wrote:
On December 03 2012 05:34 1ntrigue wrote:
On December 03 2012 05:32 Caphe wrote:
Wtf Fnatic, they managed to pick a late game comp but constanly engage under bad situation at MID game where Cait and Eve are at top of their power curve?

They didn't have much choice seeing that Cait hit her lategame during Vayne's barely-midgame. Lategame Cait is probably better than lategame Vayne. At the very least, she is safer and will reliably do damage even if she gets a bad engage (see all fights).

Explain to me how Fnatic did not has much choices? Cait were ahead but not that ahead (she was up 30cs compare to vayne) at the time of the mid tower dive. That dive made no sense at all while you can just split push all day with a farmed Shen(Shen was like 1 kill ahead of Irealia and up in cs too)

Fnatic dove cait and failed, resulting in a full blow 5v5. Vayne wasn't that far behind in CS, but cait didn't buy any Dorans and had already PD+IE. Vayne at that point had only PD and a BF. So Vayne wasn't behind in gold that much, but a lot in items.
Actually you might even say, that this is a result of peke dying to Baron. He lost stacks afterwards and had to replenish them by using feast. If feast would have been availble in the engagement, maybe they could have managed to bring down cait and turned the fight and the game in their favour.


Cait was pretty ahead in CS.

That and just rushing attack speed kind of dumb even if you maxing Vayne W. Just having a BT and Zeal instead more damage.


As someone who plays vayne often I can tell you pd is better.Vayne's attack animation isn't very good and you really need the atk speed to make it more fluent.And since everyone goes for you 24/7 extra ms is always nice :D.
Filter
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada620 Posts
December 02 2012 20:55 GMT
#6790
The biggest difference between LoL players and SC2 players is obvious during this interview. Doublelift showing no class, no grace and adding nothing good to the interview. Scarra on the other hand is representing his team professionally, while providing the same level of information.

SC2 players have for whatever reason by and large already learned how to be professional while still showing personality, with a few exceptions. League seems to be the other way around so far, with most players not acting professional and the ones that do being the exception.
Live hard, live free.
DonKey_
Profile Joined May 2010
Liechtenstein1356 Posts
December 02 2012 20:56 GMT
#6791
AHAHAHAHAHA LiftLifts face when Scarra got confused during the Pluto post game interview so gooooood.
`Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.'
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
December 02 2012 20:57 GMT
#6792
On December 03 2012 05:55 Filter wrote:
The biggest difference between LoL players and SC2 players is obvious during this interview. Doublelift showing no class, no grace and adding nothing good to the interview. Scarra on the other hand is representing his team professionally, while providing the same level of information.

SC2 players have for whatever reason by and large already learned how to be professional while still showing personality, with a few exceptions. League seems to be the other way around so far, with most players not acting professional and the ones that do being the exception.

I get this feeling dignitas will happily jump down scarra's throat if he steps the wrong line while CLG are going to be much more liberal with doublelift.
Glorious SEA doto
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
December 02 2012 20:57 GMT
#6793
On December 03 2012 05:45 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2012 05:33 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
On December 03 2012 05:31 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Fnatic SPLATTERED. Looks like it's gonna be WE v. TPA, huh? Anyone think Fnatic can take out TPA?

Do you mean WE beat TPA and Fnatic beat M5?


Derp. Yes. Yes that's what I mean. Clearly I need the brackets in front of me at all times.

Wait I'm bad. It's Fnatic v TPA next zzz.
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
December 02 2012 20:57 GMT
#6794
On December 03 2012 05:55 Filter wrote:
The biggest difference between LoL players and SC2 players is obvious during this interview. Doublelift showing no class, no grace and adding nothing good to the interview. Scarra on the other hand is representing his team professionally, while providing the same level of information.

SC2 players have for whatever reason by and large already learned how to be professional while still showing personality, with a few exceptions. League seems to be the other way around so far, with most players not acting professional and the ones that do being the exception.

Yeah sure.

Lol players in general are leagues ahead of sc2 players when it comes to interviews etc.
Off-season = best season
1ntrigue
Profile Joined May 2012
Australia948 Posts
December 02 2012 20:57 GMT
#6795
On December 03 2012 05:40 Caphe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2012 05:34 1ntrigue wrote:
On December 03 2012 05:32 Caphe wrote:
Wtf Fnatic, they managed to pick a late game comp but constanly engage under bad situation at MID game where Cait and Eve are at top of their power curve?

They didn't have much choice seeing that Cait hit her lategame during Vayne's barely-midgame. Lategame Cait is probably better than lategame Vayne. At the very least, she is safer and will reliably do damage even if she gets a bad engage (see all fights).

Explain to me how Fnatic did not has much choices? Cait were ahead but not that ahead (she was up 30cs compare to vayne) at the time of the mid tower dive. That dive made no sense at all while you can just split push all day with a farmed Shen(Shen was like 1 kill ahead of Irealia and up in cs too)

They didn't have much choice since Caitlyn was at least 1 major item ahead of Vayne at all times, and WE was pressing their advantage by pushing towers. WE can easily overwhelm fights because of Amumu and Eve so Fnatic needed to defend their pushes 5v5. Therefore, their best option was always to catch Caitlyn out and initiate, which they did everytime. It stopped working once Weixiao got Negatron which allowed him to survive the burst and Fnatic had no answer once Weixiao flashed/netted out of the initial burst (in the last few teamfights) and smashed the crap out of their divers, while Amumu and Eve flanked and raped their backline.

The other choice is a more definite loss for Fnatic as they give up turrets and objectives and probably get flanked and caught out by Eve anyway, and Caitlyn gets even more ahead.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
December 02 2012 20:58 GMT
#6796
They touched mic's. ROFL.
liftlift > tsm
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-02 21:00:43
December 02 2012 20:58 GMT
#6797
On December 03 2012 05:53 MooMooMugi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2012 05:50 Sponkz wrote:
On December 03 2012 05:49 Slow Motion wrote:
They should let Doublelift and Scarra talk more in these things. I mean we get to hear Phreak's opinion on things for hours on end. Need more of that pro perspective.



You do know, that phreak got diamond in s2 right? He's not pro, but not dumb either.

Yeah from getting carried in ranked 5s

Phreak was a top LoL player before he worked for Riot, he also got two or three accounts into the top 1000 s1 and at least plat on two in s2?

I mean, he's definitely better than every other caster at this game except maybe Dan Dinh.

[edit] OH TOTALLY FORGOT JATT [/edit]
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
December 02 2012 20:59 GMT
#6798
On December 03 2012 05:57 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2012 05:55 Filter wrote:
The biggest difference between LoL players and SC2 players is obvious during this interview. Doublelift showing no class, no grace and adding nothing good to the interview. Scarra on the other hand is representing his team professionally, while providing the same level of information.

SC2 players have for whatever reason by and large already learned how to be professional while still showing personality, with a few exceptions. League seems to be the other way around so far, with most players not acting professional and the ones that do being the exception.

I get this feeling dignitas will happily jump down scarra's throat if he steps the wrong line while CLG are going to be much more liberal with doublelift.


which is obvious since Doublelift's boss is essentially Hotshot who is just as immature and Scarra's is Odee, a scene veteran who cares about his team's reputation the most^^
Slow Motion
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6960 Posts
December 02 2012 20:59 GMT
#6799
What were Doublelift's comments on Rekkles that Pluto refered to? They never really got into that.
Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-02 20:59:54
December 02 2012 20:59 GMT
#6800
On December 03 2012 05:55 Filter wrote:
The biggest difference between LoL players and SC2 players is obvious during this interview. Doublelift showing no class, no grace and adding nothing good to the interview. Scarra on the other hand is representing his team professionally, while providing the same level of information.

SC2 players have for whatever reason by and large already learned how to be professional while still showing personality, with a few exceptions. League seems to be the other way around so far, with most players not acting professional and the ones that do being the exception.

Well LoL is a team game so you cant elaborate the whole team in a short amount of time, while if you ask someone about someone in SC2, its pretty much the personal experience and that makes it much more accurate.
Also, you can't interview top players in SC2 that much cos they are all Korean while in LoL it doesn't come to that point yet -_-.
Terran
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