• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 08:26
CEST 14:26
KST 21:26
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2914Serral wins Maestros of the Game 243ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12
Community News
Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16)18Reynor: GSL Loss Wasn't About Preparation Format16[IPSL] Spring 2026 Grand Finals - This Weekend!5Weekly Cups (July 6 - 12): Protoss strike back12BSL Season 22 Full Overview & Conclusion8
StarCraft 2
General
Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) Reynor: GSL Loss Wasn't About Preparation Format Is the larve respawn broken? 5.0.16 patch for SC2 goes live (8 worker start) BGE Stara Zagora to be held again in June 2025
Tourneys
Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) WardiTV Summer Cup 2026 GSL CK #5 Race War RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event HomeStory Cup 29
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
New Map Maker - Looking for Advice - Love or Hate Work In Progress Melee Maps [D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 534 Burning Evacuation Mutation # 533 Die Together Mutation # 532 Nuclear Family
Brood War
General
Etiquete rules in Asl? Recommended FPV games (post-KeSPA) Pros Debate: Zerg Unfairly Nerfed? (ASL S22 map) BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ screpdb: new Starcraft reporting tool
Tourneys
Escore Tournament - Season 3 Small VOD Thread 2.0 [IPSL] Spring 2026 Grand Finals - This Weekend! [Megathread] Daily Proleagues
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Relatively freeroll strategies
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread Beyond All Reason Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread UK Politics Mega-thread YouTube Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club The HerO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Series you have seen recently...
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread MLB/Baseball 2023 McBoner: A hockey love story Tennis[sport] Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Simple Questions Simple Answers FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop How to clean a TTe Thermaltake keyboard?
TL Community
Northern Ireland Global Starcraft The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Poker (part 2)
Nebuchad
The Experiences We Want and …
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 9547 users

[IPL] IPL5 Discussion - Page 251

Forum Index > LoL Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 249 250 251 252 253 398 Next
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
December 02 2012 00:12 GMT
#5001
On December 02 2012 09:11 Ziken wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 09:10 Alaric wrote:
If Amumu Qs and Cho uses Rupture (Q too I believe), does the knock-up interrupts Amumu pulling himself?


No, it doesnt.

Thanks.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
December 02 2012 00:12 GMT
#5002
On December 02 2012 09:11 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 09:10 wei2coolman wrote:
I think WE gets the edge on Fnatic. Considering how close fnatic vs clg.na set was, I feel fnatic not quite as strong as I initially thought.

Interesting opinion. In which case, where do you think CLG.na will place overall then?

I expect them to lose to the M5/Blaze winner, regardless of which team it is.
Moderator
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
December 02 2012 00:13 GMT
#5003
On December 02 2012 09:11 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 09:10 wei2coolman wrote:
I think WE gets the edge on Fnatic. Considering how close fnatic vs clg.na set was, I feel fnatic not quite as strong as I initially thought.

Interesting opinion. In which case, where do you think CLG.na will place overall then?

Well, their next match is either against AZB, or m5.
I don't really see them beating either of those.
So, they'll place where they're at now at the LB.
liftlift > tsm
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
December 02 2012 00:13 GMT
#5004
On December 02 2012 09:11 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 09:10 wei2coolman wrote:
I think WE gets the edge on Fnatic. Considering how close fnatic vs clg.na set was, I feel fnatic not quite as strong as I initially thought.

Interesting opinion. In which case, where do you think CLG.na will place overall then?


Depends if Locothrowdo and HotthowshotGG don't show up
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
December 02 2012 00:13 GMT
#5005
By the way, EU lost because only Kog could 1v1 Rengar endgame. If that rumble was Irelia/Olaf/Jax it would have been in the bag. Can't backdoor vs. a team with a jax.
Freeeeeeedom
Kavas
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia3421 Posts
December 02 2012 00:13 GMT
#5006
If Wx took Cleanse game wouldn't be so close. Snoopeh made a lot of plays with Flash Ulti and entire team just collapse on Wx.

Also really really don't like Misaya's Ori. Not sure why but it just doesn't have the same impact of someone like say, Toyz.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
December 02 2012 00:13 GMT
#5007
On December 02 2012 09:12 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 09:09 Ryuu314 wrote:
On December 02 2012 09:08 Sufficiency wrote:
On December 02 2012 08:55 nafta wrote:
Don't get this ap zyra stuff.If he built wota/zeke/shurelya their teamfights would've been so much stronger.


I totally agree. Because CLG did not have Shurelya, they weren't able to engage a lot of the fights in mid game. The Zhonya build for Krepo was really questionable, too.

I think Shurelias would've been helpful, but Zhonyas was a great pickup. WE lost many engagements since they blew so much stuff on Krepo only to have Krepo dodge a ton of their damage with Zhonyas.


No.

If CLG had two Shurelya that game, they would have won all of their 5v4s. The problem was that CLG's team had basically no gap closers and they couldn't force fights with WE while Caomei splitpushes.

I do agree that Shurelyas would've been good. I think Krepo should've taken Shurelya's instead of Abyssal, especially considering how abyssal aura doesnt' stack iirc and Snoopeh already had one.

I'm just saying that the Zhonyas wasn't a bad item pickup. Rather, Krepo should've gone Zhonyas/Dcap+Shurelyas instead of Abyssal.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
December 02 2012 00:14 GMT
#5008
On December 02 2012 09:13 Kavas wrote:
If Wx took Cleanse game wouldn't be so close. Snoopeh made a lot of plays with Flash Ulti and entire team just collapse on Wx.

Also really really don't like Misaya's Ori. Not sure why but it just doesn't have the same impact of someone like say, Toyz.

It's honestly a playstyle thing imo. Misaya's sooo much better than Toyz on more aggressive AP mids like Diana/TF, whereas Toyz is better with more passive AP champs like Ori/Anivia.
shinarit
Profile Joined May 2010
Hungary900 Posts
December 02 2012 00:14 GMT
#5009
On December 02 2012 09:11 qanik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 09:08 EquilasH wrote:
On December 02 2012 09:06 qanik wrote:
Now I'm almost certain that clg eu lost cause kogmaw didn't reach hypercarry status. First off, he didn't have nunu for speed buff, and then he sold berserkers, and THEN he didn't have zeke from support. He simply didn't have the attack speed to kill rengar.

I don't know if you're sarcastic? Rengar had 350 armor with thornmail and just jumped on Kog'Maw.


Not entirely, having the extra attack speed and life steal would've saved him there.


Also Kog makes MAGIC damage with his W, so you can stick your armor somewhere safe
T for BoxeR, Z for IdrA, P because i have no self-respect
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
December 02 2012 00:15 GMT
#5010
On December 02 2012 09:13 cLutZ wrote:
By the way, EU lost because only Kog could 1v1 Rengar endgame. If that rumble was Irelia/Olaf/Jax it would have been in the bag. Can't backdoor vs. a team with a jax.

Ya I agree if Rumble was a better late game carry he would've stopped Rengar splitpushing a little easier but I think they were counting on him for his AOE in teamfights more than anything
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
December 02 2012 00:17 GMT
#5011
On December 02 2012 09:13 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 09:12 Sufficiency wrote:
On December 02 2012 09:09 Ryuu314 wrote:
On December 02 2012 09:08 Sufficiency wrote:
On December 02 2012 08:55 nafta wrote:
Don't get this ap zyra stuff.If he built wota/zeke/shurelya their teamfights would've been so much stronger.


I totally agree. Because CLG did not have Shurelya, they weren't able to engage a lot of the fights in mid game. The Zhonya build for Krepo was really questionable, too.

I think Shurelias would've been helpful, but Zhonyas was a great pickup. WE lost many engagements since they blew so much stuff on Krepo only to have Krepo dodge a ton of their damage with Zhonyas.


No.

If CLG had two Shurelya that game, they would have won all of their 5v4s. The problem was that CLG's team had basically no gap closers and they couldn't force fights with WE while Caomei splitpushes.

I do agree that Shurelyas would've been good. I think Krepo should've taken Shurelya's instead of Abyssal, especially considering how abyssal aura doesnt' stack iirc and Snoopeh already had one.

I'm just saying that the Zhonyas wasn't a bad item pickup. Rather, Krepo should've gone Zhonyas/Dcap+Shurelyas instead of Abyssal.

I can see the merit in Zhonyas. One problem however was that with Rumble as the top laner, it places the responsibility of getting Shurelya/Zeke/etc. onto Amumu who did not get them afaik.
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
December 02 2012 00:18 GMT
#5012
I find very interesting the way with Asian teams in, we have a really high level pool of players playing similar champs at highly varying degrees. As someone said, Misaya's Ori isn't that convincing. But his Eve and TF are deadly. On the other hand, say, Toyz's Ori is a treat. Same with Diana.

It makes it a lot more interesting to me to see champs played like that, and players be able to play them all, but with such disparities that they still have signature champs, and you can recognize parts of everyone's playstyle not only in their picks, but also in the way they play them. With only NA, and sometimes EU added in, they weren't enough teams to see that consistently. I'm pretty satisfied with the level of play displayed all tourney long.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
December 02 2012 00:18 GMT
#5013
On December 02 2012 09:15 MooMooMugi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 09:13 cLutZ wrote:
By the way, EU lost because only Kog could 1v1 Rengar endgame. If that rumble was Irelia/Olaf/Jax it would have been in the bag. Can't backdoor vs. a team with a jax.

Ya I agree if Rumble was a better late game carry he would've stopped Rengar splitpushing a little easier but I think they were counting on him for his AOE in teamfights more than anything


His AoE let them hold that mid tower for so long. You can't just change out a champion without completely changing the situation.
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
December 02 2012 00:19 GMT
#5014
anyone know froggens runes/masteries/skill level order for lee sin mid?
I come in for the scraps
Zhiroo
Profile Joined February 2011
Kosovo2724 Posts
December 02 2012 00:20 GMT
#5015
So nobody knows the name of the 3rd KPOP song they played tonight? After Icecream and Lipstick
LoL EuW: Zhiroo - By starting this squabble you've proven nothing but how vast your stupidity is.
Slow Motion
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6960 Posts
December 02 2012 00:20 GMT
#5016
On December 02 2012 09:19 VayneAuthority wrote:
anyone know froggens runes/masteries/skill level order for lee sin mid?

I hope no one ever finds out . . .

Ah who am I kidding. I'd much rather see Lee mid in solo queue than AP Yi.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
December 02 2012 00:20 GMT
#5017
The game would have been completely different if Wickd had played someone else so it's kind of a mute point. He had some clutch ults to catch people out that wouldn't have happened otherwise. I think picking Rumble to supplement their lack of AP damage at mid wasn't a bad choice.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
December 02 2012 00:21 GMT
#5018
On December 02 2012 09:15 MooMooMugi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 09:13 cLutZ wrote:
By the way, EU lost because only Kog could 1v1 Rengar endgame. If that rumble was Irelia/Olaf/Jax it would have been in the bag. Can't backdoor vs. a team with a jax.

Ya I agree if Rumble was a better late game carry he would've stopped Rengar splitpushing a little easier but I think they were counting on him for his AOE in teamfights more than anything


Like, IDK. CLG EU had 2 earlygame champs. People saying they "should have won" is very misleading. Rumble's power never gets higher than the 11-16 range, same with lee mid.

Freeeeeeedom
EquilasH
Profile Joined April 2009
Denmark2142 Posts
December 02 2012 00:21 GMT
#5019
Wasn't M5 vs Blaze supposed to start around now? All I see on the stream is Scarra.
wat
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
December 02 2012 00:21 GMT
#5020
On December 02 2012 09:17 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 09:13 Ryuu314 wrote:
On December 02 2012 09:12 Sufficiency wrote:
On December 02 2012 09:09 Ryuu314 wrote:
On December 02 2012 09:08 Sufficiency wrote:
On December 02 2012 08:55 nafta wrote:
Don't get this ap zyra stuff.If he built wota/zeke/shurelya their teamfights would've been so much stronger.


I totally agree. Because CLG did not have Shurelya, they weren't able to engage a lot of the fights in mid game. The Zhonya build for Krepo was really questionable, too.

I think Shurelias would've been helpful, but Zhonyas was a great pickup. WE lost many engagements since they blew so much stuff on Krepo only to have Krepo dodge a ton of their damage with Zhonyas.


No.

If CLG had two Shurelya that game, they would have won all of their 5v4s. The problem was that CLG's team had basically no gap closers and they couldn't force fights with WE while Caomei splitpushes.

I do agree that Shurelyas would've been good. I think Krepo should've taken Shurelya's instead of Abyssal, especially considering how abyssal aura doesnt' stack iirc and Snoopeh already had one.

I'm just saying that the Zhonyas wasn't a bad item pickup. Rather, Krepo should've gone Zhonyas/Dcap+Shurelyas instead of Abyssal.

I can see the merit in Zhonyas. One problem however was that with Rumble as the top laner, it places the responsibility of getting Shurelya/Zeke/etc. onto Amumu who did not get them afaik.

Why do you have more posts than me noob
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
Prev 1 249 250 251 252 253 398 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
WardiTV Qualifier
12:00
Summer Cup, Qualifier #2
WardiTV322
Liquipedia
CrankTV Team League
11:00
Crank Gathers S4: Group Stage
LiquipediaDiscussion
Replay Cast
09:00
Crank Gathers S4: Group Stage
CranKy Ducklings126
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
OGKoka 238
SortOf 163
BRAT_OK 78
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 6003
Rain 2760
Sea 1677
Jaedong 936
Hyuk 693
Shuttle 573
Mini 367
BeSt 349
firebathero 286
EffOrt 208
[ Show more ]
Soma 189
Snow 185
Stork 168
Rush 147
Zeus 118
Hyun 116
ggaemo 100
Larva 95
Sea.KH 58
scan(afreeca) 44
ZerO 42
Free 41
hero 37
soO 35
Terrorterran 30
sorry 26
Barracks 23
JYJ 22
ToSsGirL 20
Sharp 18
Hm[arnc] 15
zelot 15
Bale 15
Sacsri 14
IntoTheRainbow 12
Sexy 11
Purpose 10
ajuk12(nOOB) 10
JulyZerg 8
Icarus 6
Dota 2
Gorgc6838
syndereN109
League of Legends
Doublelift2015
Other Games
singsing1432
B2W.Neo769
Lowko371
crisheroes325
Happy248
XaKoH 172
hiko152
amsayoshi58
DeMusliM49
Trikslyr15
ZerO(Twitch)15
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick2337
BasetradeTV206
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• escodisco2186
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos2206
Upcoming Events
Epic.LAN
35m
Big Brain Bouts
3h 35m
SHIN vs Elazer
Percival vs Nicoract
Reynor vs Lambo
Replay Cast
11h 35m
RSL Revival
20h 35m
Clem vs Lambo
Scarlett vs Cure
CranKy Ducklings
21h 35m
Epic.LAN
1d
IPSL
1d 3h
Dragon vs Hawk
RSL Revival
1d 20h
Classic vs Trap
herO vs SHIN
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 21h
OSC
2 days
[ Show More ]
IPSL
2 days
Bonyth vs Ret
WardiTV Weekly
2 days
Monday Night Weeklies
3 days
PiGosaur Cup
4 days
The PondCast
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
CrankTV Team League
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
CrankTV Team League
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-07-13
HSC XXIX
Eternal Conflict S2 E2

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
Acropolis #4
CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
Escore Tournament S3: W3
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
SCTL 2026 Spring
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026

Upcoming

ASL S22 SEASON OPEN Day 1
Escore Tournament S3: W4
ASL S22 SEASON OPEN Day 2
Escore Tournament S3: W5
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
Light Tournament 2026
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale
Eternal Conflict S2 E3
Logitech G Connect 2026
StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.