I totally agree. Because CLG did not have Shurelya, they weren't able to engage a lot of the fights in mid game. The Zhonya build for Krepo was really questionable, too.

I think the zhonyas was fine, allowing him to get a second wave of cooldowns is definitely worth it, but that lack of zekes really hurt for sure, when you are placing all bets on kog, giving him more lifesteal and atkspd can never be a bad thing.

Zergneedsfood

United States10671 Posts

December 02 2012 00:10 GMT

#4986

That last fight, Krepo just died instantly. That's one of the big things that probably determined the fight, now that I look back on it. Zyra has a lot of really good short cooldown CCs, so that would've helped vs Rengar.

I just think CLG.eu wasn't used to Yellowpete carrying a game this hard.

scarper65

1560 Posts

December 02 2012 00:10 GMT

#4987

I just tuned back in, what is happening?

EquilasH

Denmark2142 Posts

December 02 2012 00:11 GMT

#4988

On December 02 2012 09:08 AsnSensation wrote:
Damn this was game so exciting that I didn't even realize that Fnatic managed to win 2 games against clg.na

Super strong opponents waiting for both clg teams in the losers bracket.

Everyone Banning Anivia+Orianna against TPA now after seeing Fnatic making it work. Gogo Curse make the biggest upset happen.

LOL If Crs beats TPA then I don't even know anymore. Holy shit that would be the funniest upset ever.

qanik

Denmark1899 Posts

December 02 2012 00:11 GMT

#4989

On December 02 2012 09:08 EquilasH wrote:

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I don't know if you're sarcastic? Rengar had 350 armor with thornmail and just jumped on Kog'Maw.

Not entirely, having the extra attack speed and life steal would've saved him there.

Slow Motion

United States6960 Posts

December 02 2012 00:11 GMT

#4990

Oh man TPA comp is gonna be so tanky.

Chiharu Harukaze

12112 Posts

December 02 2012 00:11 GMT

#4991

On December 02 2012 09:10 wei2coolman wrote:
I think WE gets the edge on Fnatic. Considering how close fnatic vs clg.na set was, I feel fnatic not quite as strong as I initially thought.

Interesting opinion. In which case, where do you think CLG.na will place overall then?

Ziken

Ghana1743 Posts

December 02 2012 00:11 GMT

#4992

On December 02 2012 09:10 Alaric wrote:
If Amumu Qs and Cho uses Rupture (Q too I believe), does the knock-up interrupts Amumu pulling himself?

No, it doesnt.

Trok67

France384 Posts

December 02 2012 00:11 GMT

#4993

Maybe it has allready been asked, but does somebody know where I can find an updated tournament tree with all the results ? It is kinda hard to follow

Dan HH

Romania9206 Posts

December 02 2012 00:11 GMT

#4994

Gotta give it to TPA from the picks, they got exactly what they're comfortable with.

AsnSensation

Germany24009 Posts

December 02 2012 00:11 GMT

#4995

Sidenote: Does anyone know why Torch is not casting this since he's an official IPL caster now?

On December 02 2012 09:11 Trok67 wrote:
Maybe it has allready been asked, but does somebody know where I can find an updated tournament tree with all the results ? It is kinda hard to follow

http://leaguepedia.com/wiki/IGN_ProLeague_Season_5

TheYango

United States47024 Posts

December 02 2012 00:11 GMT

#4996

On December 02 2012 09:10 wei2coolman wrote:
I think WE gets the edge on Fnatic. Considering how close fnatic vs clg.na set was, I feel fnatic not quite as strong as I initially thought.

Fnatic's apparent strength vs. TPA was IMO largely a product of a brilliant draft that took TPA out of their comfort zone. It's hard to place their actual execution as being that amazing.

That said, Fnatic has a lot more to work with preparing for WE than WE has preparing for Fnatic. At least if they know where to look.

kongoline

6318 Posts

December 02 2012 00:11 GMT

#4997

guess rengar is going to be nerfed next patch, its pick or ban literally every game .....

Ryuu314

United States12679 Posts

December 02 2012 00:11 GMT

#4998

On December 02 2012 09:09 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:

Show nested quote +

On December 02 2012 09:08 Ryuu314 wrote:

On December 02 2012 09:04 Redox wrote:

On December 02 2012 08:58 wei2coolman wrote:

On December 02 2012 08:55 EquilasH wrote:

On December 02 2012 08:54 Redox wrote:

On December 02 2012 08:49 wei2coolman wrote:
WE playing this very smartly imo. They absolutely can't win a 5v5 against clg.eu. they're playing out all the objectives perfectly imo.

On December 02 2012 08:49 Redox wrote:
CLG cant win this because of Rengar backdoor.

Kinda bullshit.

WE can't win stragiht up cuz of 6item kogmaw.
kinda bullshit.

You know that Kog has kind of a weakness before he gets that fed right? Was kinda showcased in the first game.

Do you seriously want to argue that Kog is more op than Rengar?

No, I think he's trying to tell you that both of these teams are trying to play to their advantages, and IMO WE did better at doing that this game. They played brilliantly towards the end, especially Ciaomei.

Pretty much this.
It would've been full retard for WE To engage into CLG.eu, durign the time redox made the rengar comment.

WE played it til WX had full 6item, and had inhibitor advantage, and the only way to get to that stage was Caomei's godlike splitpushing skill.

Where did I say that WE didnt play that right? They did just what they had to.

And I still dislike strategies that only rely on backdooring, just like many of the strats CLG.na pulled. And it is just annoying when one team can never end the game even if they win multiple team fights because they just cant leave their base.

And yes, Rengar is a bullshit hero. WE winning with him doesnt change that.

Splitpushing/Backdooring is a perfectly legitimate strat. It's annoying to play against, but it definitely can be beat. Besides, if it wasn't for splitpushing/backdoor then there is literally no way to win against teams with hypercarries or massive aoe comps past a certain point. I can also argue that CLG.eu turtle strat is equally annoying.

CLG.eu definitely could've won that. They were able to keep Caomei at bay for so long with just Wickd defending. They ended up losing that because they botched the last fight with Froggen diving in 1v4 and Yellowpete not getting sufficient peeling which let Ghostblade Rengar wreck him. Up until then it was anyone's game.

But yea...Rengar is kinda bullshit champ.

Happy 5k ;o

awww...I'm still a scout :[ pewpew

Sufficiency

Canada23833 Posts

December 02 2012 00:12 GMT

#4999

On December 02 2012 09:09 Ryuu314 wrote:

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I think Shurelias would've been helpful, but Zhonyas was a great pickup. WE lost many engagements since they blew so much stuff on Krepo only to have Krepo dodge a ton of their damage with Zhonyas.

No.

If CLG had two Shurelya that game, they would have won all of their 5v4s. The problem was that CLG's team had basically no gap closers and they couldn't force fights with WE while Caomei splitpushes.

Chiharu Harukaze

12112 Posts

December 02 2012 00:12 GMT

#5000

On December 02 2012 09:10 Zergneedsfood wrote:
That last fight, Krepo just died instantly. That's one of the big things that probably determined the fight, now that I look back on it. Zyra has a lot of really good short cooldown CCs, so that would've helped vs Rengar.

I just think CLG.eu wasn't used to Yellowpete carrying a game this hard.

Rengar zoned off Rumble, Koggles and Amumu for a good 20 sec or so. Lee SIn and Zyra went in hard, but then had nothing following up and died for free. Rengar GA popped, WE follows up, and then the fat lady sung and it was over.