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qanik
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1899 Posts
December 02 2012 00:06 GMT
#4961
Now I'm almost certain that clg eu lost cause kogmaw didn't reach hypercarry status. First off, he didn't have nunu for speed buff, and then he sold berserkers, and THEN he didn't have zeke from support. He simply didn't have the attack speed to kill rengar.
Best Teemo World
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
December 02 2012 00:06 GMT
#4962
On December 02 2012 09:04 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
So, WE v Fnatic. Who do you guys think will come out on top?

It depends on preparation. Both teams are strong, but both have also demonstrated a spectacular ability to come to games well-prepared to draft against their opponents.

It will come down to investigation, smart drafts, and smarter play.
Moderator
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
December 02 2012 00:07 GMT
#4963
Who do I root for? TPA or Curse?
2 of my favorite teams.

Nyjacky you got this, 2qt, and carry!
liftlift > tsm
Slow Motion
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6960 Posts
December 02 2012 00:07 GMT
#4964
hahahha this randomness
fishinguy
Profile Joined November 2010
Russian Federation798 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-02 00:09:49
December 02 2012 00:07 GMT
#4965
When ez and rengar went off to try and backdoor, and all of clg was at the entrance of the base, couldnt they have pushed on for the win? I mean i think ez was at blue at that point and any kind of flash ult from snupeh could have won them the game..

And why were clg so scared to push / fight 4v4 when rumble went to stop rengar? Kog at that point could have easily cleaned up a 4v4 without rengar diving him
zodde
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1908 Posts
December 02 2012 00:07 GMT
#4966
On December 02 2012 09:04 Redox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 08:58 wei2coolman wrote:
On December 02 2012 08:55 EquilasH wrote:
On December 02 2012 08:54 Redox wrote:
On December 02 2012 08:49 wei2coolman wrote:
WE playing this very smartly imo. They absolutely can't win a 5v5 against clg.eu. they're playing out all the objectives perfectly imo.
On December 02 2012 08:49 Redox wrote:
CLG cant win this because of Rengar backdoor.

Kinda bullshit.


WE can't win stragiht up cuz of 6item kogmaw.
kinda bullshit.

You know that Kog has kind of a weakness before he gets that fed right? Was kinda showcased in the first game.

Do you seriously want to argue that Kog is more op than Rengar?


No, I think he's trying to tell you that both of these teams are trying to play to their advantages, and IMO WE did better at doing that this game. They played brilliantly towards the end, especially Ciaomei.

Pretty much this.
It would've been full retard for WE To engage into CLG.eu, durign the time redox made the rengar comment.

WE played it til WX had full 6item, and had inhibitor advantage, and the only way to get to that stage was Caomei's godlike splitpushing skill.

Where did I say that WE didnt play that right? They did just what they had to.

And I still dislike strategies that only rely on backdooring, just like many of the strats CLG.na pulled. And it is just annoying when one team can never end the game even if they win multiple team fights because they just cant leave their base.

And yes, Rengar is a bullshit hero. WE winning with him doesnt change that.


They couldn't end after the late game team fights because they lost their whole base earlier in the game. If being down to a single turret left alive didn't but you severely behind, everyone would just turtle for late game and try to win that one team fight and win the game. Rengar might be bullshit, but splitpushing is good for the game as a whole.
DragoonTT
Profile Joined April 2012
3398 Posts
December 02 2012 00:07 GMT
#4967
if you don't like the MC on stream #1, Crs vs TPA is in champ select on stream #2
Slow Motion
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6960 Posts
December 02 2012 00:08 GMT
#4968
I think they saved the Snoopy clip for when CLG.EU won but it was not to be
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-02 00:10:34
December 02 2012 00:08 GMT
#4969
On December 02 2012 09:04 Redox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 08:58 wei2coolman wrote:
On December 02 2012 08:55 EquilasH wrote:
On December 02 2012 08:54 Redox wrote:
On December 02 2012 08:49 wei2coolman wrote:
WE playing this very smartly imo. They absolutely can't win a 5v5 against clg.eu. they're playing out all the objectives perfectly imo.
On December 02 2012 08:49 Redox wrote:
CLG cant win this because of Rengar backdoor.

Kinda bullshit.


WE can't win stragiht up cuz of 6item kogmaw.
kinda bullshit.

You know that Kog has kind of a weakness before he gets that fed right? Was kinda showcased in the first game.

Do you seriously want to argue that Kog is more op than Rengar?


No, I think he's trying to tell you that both of these teams are trying to play to their advantages, and IMO WE did better at doing that this game. They played brilliantly towards the end, especially Ciaomei.

Pretty much this.
It would've been full retard for WE To engage into CLG.eu, durign the time redox made the rengar comment.

WE played it til WX had full 6item, and had inhibitor advantage, and the only way to get to that stage was Caomei's godlike splitpushing skill.

Where did I say that WE didnt play that right? They did just what they had to.

And I still dislike strategies that only rely on backdooring, just like many of the strats CLG.na pulled. And it is just annoying when one team can never end the game even if they win multiple team fights because they just cant leave their base.

And yes, Rengar is a bullshit hero. WE winning with him doesnt change that.

Splitpushing/Backdooring is a perfectly legitimate strat. It's annoying to play against, but it definitely can be beat. Besides, if it wasn't for splitpushing/backdoor then there is literally no way to win against teams with hypercarries or massive aoe comps past a certain point. I can also argue that CLG.eu turtle strat is equally annoying.

CLG.eu definitely could've won that. They were able to keep Caomei at bay for so long with just Wickd defending. They ended up losing that because they botched the last fight with Froggen diving in 1v4 and Yellowpete not getting sufficient peeling which let Ghostblade Rengar wreck him. Up until then it was anyone's game.

But yea...Rengar is kinda bullshit champ.

EDIT: 5k :O
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-02 00:09:01
December 02 2012 00:08 GMT
#4970
People like this make it really hard for me to respect Disc Jockeys.
edit: enough whining from me, switching to stream 2

Time to watch curse roflstomp TPA eazy.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
EquilasH
Profile Joined April 2009
Denmark2142 Posts
December 02 2012 00:08 GMT
#4971
On December 02 2012 09:06 qanik wrote:
Now I'm almost certain that clg eu lost cause kogmaw didn't reach hypercarry status. First off, he didn't have nunu for speed buff, and then he sold berserkers, and THEN he didn't have zeke from support. He simply didn't have the attack speed to kill rengar.

I don't know if you're sarcastic? Rengar had 350 armor with thornmail and just jumped on Kog'Maw.
wat
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
December 02 2012 00:08 GMT
#4972
On December 02 2012 08:55 nafta wrote:
Don't get this ap zyra stuff.If he built wota/zeke/shurelya their teamfights would've been so much stronger.


I totally agree. Because CLG did not have Shurelya, they weren't able to engage a lot of the fights in mid game. The Zhonya build for Krepo was really questionable, too.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
December 02 2012 00:08 GMT
#4973
On December 02 2012 09:06 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 09:04 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
So, WE v Fnatic. Who do you guys think will come out on top?

It depends on preparation. Both teams are strong, but both have also demonstrated a spectacular ability to come to games well-prepared to draft against their opponents.

It will come down to investigation, smart drafts, and smarter play.

But who do you think will have the better preparation then?
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
December 02 2012 00:08 GMT
#4974
Damn this was game so exciting that I didn't even realize that Fnatic managed to win 2 games against clg.na

Super strong opponents waiting for both clg teams in the losers bracket.

Everyone Banning Anivia+Orianna against TPA now after seeing Fnatic making it work. Gogo Curse make the biggest upset happen.
skykh
Profile Joined September 2012
3006 Posts
December 02 2012 00:09 GMT
#4975
Shutdown Wx and win game, first time i see him lose so hard.
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
December 02 2012 00:09 GMT
#4976
On December 02 2012 09:08 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 09:04 Redox wrote:
On December 02 2012 08:58 wei2coolman wrote:
On December 02 2012 08:55 EquilasH wrote:
On December 02 2012 08:54 Redox wrote:
On December 02 2012 08:49 wei2coolman wrote:
WE playing this very smartly imo. They absolutely can't win a 5v5 against clg.eu. they're playing out all the objectives perfectly imo.
On December 02 2012 08:49 Redox wrote:
CLG cant win this because of Rengar backdoor.

Kinda bullshit.


WE can't win stragiht up cuz of 6item kogmaw.
kinda bullshit.

You know that Kog has kind of a weakness before he gets that fed right? Was kinda showcased in the first game.

Do you seriously want to argue that Kog is more op than Rengar?


No, I think he's trying to tell you that both of these teams are trying to play to their advantages, and IMO WE did better at doing that this game. They played brilliantly towards the end, especially Ciaomei.

Pretty much this.
It would've been full retard for WE To engage into CLG.eu, durign the time redox made the rengar comment.

WE played it til WX had full 6item, and had inhibitor advantage, and the only way to get to that stage was Caomei's godlike splitpushing skill.

Where did I say that WE didnt play that right? They did just what they had to.

And I still dislike strategies that only rely on backdooring, just like many of the strats CLG.na pulled. And it is just annoying when one team can never end the game even if they win multiple team fights because they just cant leave their base.

And yes, Rengar is a bullshit hero. WE winning with him doesnt change that.

Splitpushing/Backdooring is a perfectly legitimate strat. It's annoying to play against, but it definitely can be beat. Besides, if it wasn't for splitpushing/backdoor then there is literally no way to win against teams with hypercarries or massive aoe comps past a certain point. I can also argue that CLG.eu turtle strat is equally annoying.

CLG.eu definitely could've won that. They were able to keep Caomei at bay for so long with just Wickd defending. They ended up losing that because they botched the last fight with Froggen diving in 1v4 and Yellowpete not getting sufficient peeling which let Ghostblade Rengar wreck him. Up until then it was anyone's game.

But yea...Rengar is kinda bullshit champ.

Happy 5k ;o
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
Slow Motion
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6960 Posts
December 02 2012 00:09 GMT
#4977
Oh shit Curse finally gets to have Diana! Damn I'm pumped for this.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
December 02 2012 00:09 GMT
#4978
On December 02 2012 09:07 fishinguy wrote:
When ez and rengar went off to try and backdoor, and all of clg was at the entrance of the base, couldnt they have pushed on for the win? I mean i think ez was at blue at that point and any kind of flash ult from snupeh could have won them the game...

Ori and Cho can throw their skills from longer range than an Amumu Flash-ult. Misaya and Clearlove aren't stupid enough to stand in range of that, and their reactions are good enough not to get hit by a long-shot Bandage Toss, especially since they were planning on giving up the inhib.
Moderator
shinarit
Profile Joined May 2010
Hungary900 Posts
December 02 2012 00:09 GMT
#4979
On December 02 2012 09:07 fishinguy wrote:
When ez and rengar went off to try and backdoor, and all of clg was at the entrance of the base, couldnt they have pushed on for the win? I mean i think ez was at blue at that point and any kind of flash ult from snupeh could have won them the game...


Same thought. I thought multiple times that clg.eu should just push in, because they were closer and more numerous, but i guess they know it better.
T for BoxeR, Z for IdrA, P because i have no self-respect
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
December 02 2012 00:09 GMT
#4980
On December 02 2012 09:08 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 08:55 nafta wrote:
Don't get this ap zyra stuff.If he built wota/zeke/shurelya their teamfights would've been so much stronger.


I totally agree. Because CLG did not have Shurelya, they weren't able to engage a lot of the fights in mid game. The Zhonya build for Krepo was really questionable, too.

I think Shurelias would've been helpful, but Zhonyas was a great pickup. WE lost many engagements since they blew so much stuff on Krepo only to have Krepo dodge a ton of their damage with Zhonyas.
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