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Keep the rage to a minimum. This includes wait times between games, music, and balance.

Fair warning to all.
Leeto
Profile Joined August 2007
United States1320 Posts
October 08 2012 15:46 GMT
#12041
Have they announced when the remaining matches are going to be played?
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
October 08 2012 16:06 GMT
#12042
Probably wednesday.
The legend of Darien lives on
Zootre
Profile Joined September 2010
Denmark180 Posts
October 08 2012 16:19 GMT
#12043
pretty sure they play them just before the final saturday

We’re taking everything we’ve learned from yesterday to make the conclusion of the Playoffs and the World Finals next Saturday as great as they can possibly be.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-08 16:34:30
October 08 2012 16:33 GMT
#12044
Nothing in that statement even hints at playing them Saturday. There's no way they try to fit three Bo3's into the morning of that day after what happened with disconnects.
twitch.tv/cratonz
Full.tilt
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United Kingdom1709 Posts
October 08 2012 16:37 GMT
#12045
On October 09 2012 01:33 Craton wrote:
Nothing in that statement even hints at playing them Saturday. There's no way they try to fit three Bo3's into the morning of that day after what happened with disconnects.


In the thread Redbeard started he says they're planning for Wednesday but not set in stone yet. No live audience.
Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
October 08 2012 16:42 GMT
#12046
On October 09 2012 00:16 chisuri wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2012 22:45 Chexx wrote:
On October 08 2012 22:21 SkelA wrote:
When I watched TI2 for Dota2 in the booths there were 3 ppl standing behind eache team at all time.

Why they cant afford to do the same to monitor for cheating like that ? Its a big tourney and any form of cheating should be punished without mercy.


According to Riot they had people monitoring all player cams at alltime.

@the guy who waited 7hours

Apparently you found the games so interesting that you got out of your way to wait 7hours. Its not like you never watch a SC tournament before.

You are talking nonsense. He had to keep watching in case the games continued, which never happened. Even in that case, he wanted to wait for official statement from Riot, which rightfully should have been a wholeheartedly apology.


They did an apology. They even gave you a statement directly after that they going to fix the issues(lan mode, players are able to see minimap, next time for stream riot employee,too). At least after the second disconnect it should have been clear that this is going to take a while. Instead of doing something else. He decided to wait and stare at a screen. Nobody forced you to watch it. After 2(?) years of SC2 experience it should have been clear that it can take awhile to fix.

People like him always yell about "Riot did not learn hurrdurrr". Apparently the spectators did not learn, too. Because if they did they would not have waited for 7 hours without doing anything. The only people who would be still upset about it that I can understand would be the people who attended the event in person. But you see nobody here in the thread who was at the event and is still crying and raging. Instead you see people who could have played a game, read a book, cooked dinner, cleaned their room, study and occasionally checked the thread.

I wanted to see the games, too. And was sad/disappointed that they did not play but sometimes things dont work out and shit happens. Welcome to life. Why still be upset about something that you can not change anymore.
Riot immediately after the games they announced what they will be doing to fix their mistakes. If they do not keep their promises for their next event than we can be upset because they do not listen to us/ dont care.

But for now the only thing we can do is to create a list after the event with things that we found bad/shitty. Tell our solutions and mail them to Riot/post on the forums etc.
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KarlKaliente
Profile Joined March 2012
United States434 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-08 16:48:24
October 08 2012 16:48 GMT
#12047
It's refreshing to see Riot scrambling to churn out some PR damage control, reward the live audience for their patience, and promising to work on fixes so that it doesn't happen again. Blizzard just laughs and says 'fuck you, you don't matter' whenever there's a disaster at an event.

Support the smaller devs, they work harder for your dollar :>
UMS > Melee
CeriseCherries
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
6170 Posts
October 08 2012 17:00 GMT
#12048
On October 09 2012 01:48 KarlKaliente wrote:
It's refreshing to see Riot scrambling to churn out some PR damage control, reward the live audience for their patience, and promising to work on fixes so that it doesn't happen again. Blizzard just laughs and says 'fuck you, you don't matter' whenever there's a disaster at an event.

Support the smaller devs, they work harder for your dollar :>


hah yes this event was a stirring example of Riot excellence.

mean while loud vuvuzelas incite players to look up at big screen and make eye contact on stage
Remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
October 08 2012 17:01 GMT
#12049
On October 09 2012 01:48 KarlKaliente wrote:
It's refreshing to see Riot scrambling to churn out some PR damage control, reward the live audience for their patience, and promising to work on fixes so that it doesn't happen again. Blizzard just laughs and says 'fuck you, you don't matter' whenever there's a disaster at an event.

Support the smaller devs, they work harder for your dollar :>

Well never Blizz did such a disastrous event.
The legend of Darien lives on
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
October 08 2012 17:06 GMT
#12050
Riot also vastly overhyped the tournament beyond belief, which raised expectations through the roof. That's why people are so disappointed.

When you make a promo video that's basically shitting on all your competitors with language like "we're raising the bar to where it belongs" and "elevating e-sports", and then produce a tournament that's systematically worse than your competitor's tournament in virtually ALL regards, of course people are going to be disgruntled. Particularly when it's also clear that you tried to one-up their prize pool but also very clearly put significantly less time/money/effort into actually running the tournament.
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VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
October 08 2012 17:08 GMT
#12051
On October 09 2012 02:01 mr_tolkien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2012 01:48 KarlKaliente wrote:
It's refreshing to see Riot scrambling to churn out some PR damage control, reward the live audience for their patience, and promising to work on fixes so that it doesn't happen again. Blizzard just laughs and says 'fuck you, you don't matter' whenever there's a disaster at an event.

Support the smaller devs, they work harder for your dollar :>

Well never Blizz did such a disastrous event.

....because Blizz doesn't give 2 shits about eSports
Clarity Gaming #1 Fan | Avid MTG Grinder | @VirgilSC2
KarlKaliente
Profile Joined March 2012
United States434 Posts
October 08 2012 17:08 GMT
#12052
On October 09 2012 02:00 CeriseCherries wrote:

hah yes this event was a stirring example of Riot excellence.

mean while loud vuvuzelas incite players to look up at big screen and make eye contact on stage


Of course this was far from excellence, but its a wake up call they've needed for quite awhile, and so far I'm pretty happy with their solutions. Of course a lot remains to be seen, but if they deliver on their promises its a win in the end.

On October 09 2012 02:01 mr_tolkien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2012 01:48 KarlKaliente wrote:
It's refreshing to see Riot scrambling to churn out some PR damage control, reward the live audience for their patience, and promising to work on fixes so that it doesn't happen again. Blizzard just laughs and says 'fuck you, you don't matter' whenever there's a disaster at an event.

Support the smaller devs, they work harder for your dollar :>

Well never Blizz did such a disastrous event.


Blizz never had problems at their WCS, but their refusal to implement lan, allow for players to reconnect to games, or allow games to be resumed from replays (they mentioned this at least a year ago and we still don't have it) are the source of many many problems in starcraft 2 events. They acknowledge its a problem, but they aren't exactly scrambling to fix it, because they don't depend on the success of their game as an esport anywhere near as much as Riot does.
UMS > Melee
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-08 17:20:59
October 08 2012 17:19 GMT
#12053
On October 09 2012 02:08 KarlKaliente wrote:
they [Blizzard] don't depend on the success of their game as an esport anywhere near as much as Riot does.

I'm pretty sure Riot makes more money off of RP microtransactions (and now with $100 RP buys wtffff) than Blizzard gets off of single-purchase in SC2.

Doing a quick search: Riot's annual income is larger than Blizzard (combining all of Blizzard's games to boot!)
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KarlKaliente
Profile Joined March 2012
United States434 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-08 17:41:52
October 08 2012 17:21 GMT
#12054
On October 09 2012 02:19 xes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2012 02:08 KarlKaliente wrote:
they [Blizzard] don't depend on the success of their game as an esport anywhere near as much as Riot does.

I'm pretty sure Riot makes more money off of RP microtransactions (and now with $100 RP buys wtffff) than Blizzard gets off of single-purchase in SC2.

Doing a quick search: Riot's annual income is larger than Blizzard (combining all of Blizzard's games to boot!)


Well fuck me, there goes my assumptions. Do you have a source? Does that include WoW subscriptions too?

edit: did some counter googling myself, couldn't find anything conclusive. Couldn't find anything besides activision-blizzards earnings at all. If anyone has something relevant i'd be interested to see it.
UMS > Melee
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-08 17:50:04
October 08 2012 17:47 GMT
#12055
On October 09 2012 02:21 KarlKaliente wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2012 02:19 xes wrote:
On October 09 2012 02:08 KarlKaliente wrote:
they [Blizzard] don't depend on the success of their game as an esport anywhere near as much as Riot does.

I'm pretty sure Riot makes more money off of RP microtransactions (and now with $100 RP buys wtffff) than Blizzard gets off of single-purchase in SC2.

Doing a quick search: Riot's annual income is larger than Blizzard (combining all of Blizzard's games to boot!)


Well fuck me, there goes my assumptions. Do you have a source? Does that include WoW subscriptions too?

edit: did some counter googling myself, couldn't find anything conclusive. Couldn't find anything besides activision-blizzards earnings at all. If anyone has something relevant i'd be interested to see it.

Sorry I was incorrect myself!

The company that owns the majority stake in Riot (Tencent) makes more money than Activision-Blizzard. Riot's own earnings is something like 25-50 million. I have no idea what Blizzard's earnings are since its now Activision-Blizzard and Activision owns like everything.
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Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
October 08 2012 18:10 GMT
#12056
As posted before, Blizzard is making over 1 billion a year from WoW alone.
twitch.tv/cratonz
Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
October 08 2012 18:10 GMT
#12057
Now Riot needs want hell of a performance this weekend to make it up for this disastrous incident.

Terran
Novalisk
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Israel1818 Posts
October 08 2012 18:27 GMT
#12058
On October 09 2012 02:01 mr_tolkien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2012 01:48 KarlKaliente wrote:
It's refreshing to see Riot scrambling to churn out some PR damage control, reward the live audience for their patience, and promising to work on fixes so that it doesn't happen again. Blizzard just laughs and says 'fuck you, you don't matter' whenever there's a disaster at an event.

Support the smaller devs, they work harder for your dollar :>

Well never Blizz did such a disastrous event.


It came quite close in the first SC2 Blizzcon tournament.
/commercial
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
October 08 2012 18:48 GMT
#12059
You knew the 10 esports videos were just overhyping shit though. It's an advertisement. Nerf guns go "THIS IS THE BEST TOY EVER." That doesn't mean you believe them....lol

They wanted to get a lot of people watching and actually turn this into a really big event. And with 500k people watching worldwide, they certainly did. And if tge hardware and internet problems didn't happen then it would have gone fairly well. But they did happen, and honestly, i thinks it's BETTER for Riot that it did. They can take all the mistakes they made, appologize, and FIX every single mistake. For them their learning experience can create good PR of "this is a company that will go out of its way to make sure things are done right, and will admit when they are wrong." I really hope they learn that they need booths though. They now at least understand they need LAN which is good.
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
CROrens
Profile Joined May 2007
Croatia1005 Posts
October 08 2012 18:52 GMT
#12060
youtube
totalbiscuit talks about day 3 of the finals
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