EPT[S2] World Championships Discussion - Page 599
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Keep the rage to a minimum. This includes wait times between games, music, and balance. Fair warning to all. | ||
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Parnage
United States7414 Posts
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Full.tilt
United Kingdom1709 Posts
On October 08 2012 04:58 Usagi wrote: Some people never read about how online matches work in korean teamhouse with people ghosting xD In S Korea you get DQ'd just for looking at the audience  Actually to be honest I don't think he was DQ'd at the time, but the ref's definitely got involved, was so long ago I don't remember clearly apart from finding it all really funny. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On October 08 2012 06:52 Parnage wrote: An issue of changing the rules on the spot could lead to confusion? Just a wild thought. *shrug* Honestly in all the cases when the internet went down save the final one it would of been fairly jarring to the players rather they resumed from a save or remade. Not on the spot. Release a "S2 Event Rules: World Championships Revision" a week or two before the event. Seems like it'd be fairly normal. Reverting to a save a minute before the DC would be right around when CLG.Eu got the Baron. That's a perfectly fine point to resume the game from. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
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nojitosunrise
United States6188 Posts
On October 08 2012 06:54 Itsmedudeman wrote: If they could have used a save point they would have, they just weren't able to and aside from apparently one instance where it was used I don't ever remember it being used recently. Perhaps that one time was a special case where the game wasn't completely dropped or something. The guy said they disconnected from the game rather than the game being dropped which was the case here. Or they could think that a remake is more fair to everyone (viewers/teams/players etc.) | ||
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Kupon3ss
時の回廊10066 Posts
1) Obviously at the moment its biggest fanbase is still in the west, having a pair of East v West Semis is obviously preferable from a hype and business perspective 2) CLG.eu was legitimately winning by a significant margin at the time, WE would have needed to win that fight and another major fight to get to about a state of parity, and even then I'd favor CLG.eu's playstyle and composition 3) This lets them wrap up the quarter finals and allow them to focus all of their production on making the Finals as best as possible, it is obviously feasible to do 2 bo.3s and a bo5 (between 7 and 11 games) in one day and still maintain a very high level of production without needing to completely break their previous plans. The fact that this quarterfinals is left completely unresolved make it almost impossible to wrap up the event on a single day of lan, and even if they tried, having a piece of the quarter finals to start the day completely kills the hype and reminds everybody of how much they fucked up the week before But they were unable to do so for several striking reasons 1) Tencent and China, Tencent owns Riot and China is the major theatre of competitive expansion that LoL is focusing on, DQing the last remaining Mainland Chinese team in this way will obviously garner no love from either this important target audience or their parent company 2) Precedent and the rules, LoL has several antiquated rules regarding situations like this, one involving not allowing pauses/unpauses during teamfights and not rewarding games until they are "truly over". This is made even murkier by the precedent set in the previous DC'd game in which Riot had cited a few of this rule and handled the situation in a ... What I would say was a logically sound but PR-wise unsound manner in that while the ruling was correct, the presentation and resolution was handled in a way that forced them into a corner 3) LoL game engine. With no save file and (according to leaguepedia) packets and autoattacks occuring after the DC, CLG.eu actually came out behind after some "dead time" packets during pauses (seems logical since yellowpete was almost dead (GA) and assuming that everything just afk A-moves the corkie would probably tear CLG to shreds). So attemption unpausing and resuming the game would lead to even more shit drama as well as other potential save/unpause/connection problems When the second DC happened this quandary appeared immediately obvious to me and I spent some time laughing my ass off at the sheer irony and absurdity the "BIGGEST EVENT IN ESPORTS" found itself in. On one hand they kind of deserve it. The arrogance and lack of preparation, as well as the childish need to one-up valve basically led them to create an event whose production was far inferior in which Riot basically banked on making an event as cheaply and quickly as they could get away with, it not falling apart and them saying the phrase "Biggest prize in ESPORTS" as many times as they could during the event to detract from the other failings. We obviously haven't seen the finals, but so far the different in production value and venue has probably amounted to a number at least in the hundreds of thousands On the other hand you still have to feel bad. They did try to put on a show, and while a lot of failings were of their own making, lack of experience and rigorous testing, and no backup plans, the main issues were something almost impossible to prepare for and genuinely largely out of their hands. Having an event blow up like this isn't good for anybody, and certainly not for the development of esports as a whole. | ||
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Parnage
United States7414 Posts
The fact is they followed the rules and regamed. Nothing more nothing less. It's the only legit way to call it without pissing off one team or another because as we've all seen comebacks do happen. I still fail to see how Riot is supposed to reasonably handle the venue's internet essentially failing them being all Riots fault. You can not prepare for everything you can try, but the moment you try something else will pop up you didn't expect. It sucks but that's the truth. | ||
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StUfF
Australia1437 Posts
On October 08 2012 07:36 Parnage wrote: I still fail to see how Riot is supposed to reasonably handle the venue's internet essentially failing them being all Riots fault. You can not prepare for everything you can try, but the moment you try something else will pop up you didn't expect. It sucks but that's the truth. You're making the same baseless assumptions. They said it was a hardware failure, could have been the venue's could have been riot's. Hey you know this internet thing where EVERYTHING IS DEPENDENT on? Let's not have proper redundancies or plan B. Let's just drag it out for 8 hours and then cancel everything. Yes, things go wrong, and you should be prepared to expect things to go wrong to a certain point. Playing the victim for something that can be easily mitigated, just shows a lack of foresight/preparedness. | ||
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kainzero
United States5211 Posts
On October 08 2012 06:41 Parnage wrote: Why are you guys trying to argue over screenshots on who won the "3rd" game" the calls done. because flash vs. jaedong and power outage! lol oh man. now i miss pro bw =\ | ||
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JazVM
Germany1196 Posts
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
On October 08 2012 08:21 JazVM wrote: Is there still no information on a new schedule? No... I feel like Riot should really be keeping the community updated, seeing as to how this event has blown up. | ||
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BlueBird.
United States3889 Posts
On October 08 2012 08:27 GhandiEAGLE wrote: No... I feel like Riot should really be keeping the community updated, seeing as to how this event has blown up. I can imagine they are working really hard trying to figure out how to fit everything in and make it as good as possible.. They really need this to go well otherwise ... well if the rest of the event fails it doesn't look good as far as lol esports is concerned. I think they should keep us informed, but I don't think they should rush, hopefully tomorrow or next day the schedule is released. | ||
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nojitosunrise
United States6188 Posts
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gyth
657 Posts
You'd have to have one way glass to make these games truly fair but also allow the audience to see the players. As long as the inside of the booth is more brightly lit than the outside, all glass is one way. | ||
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Avs
Korea (North)857 Posts
On October 08 2012 08:36 BlueBird. wrote: I can imagine they are working really hard trying to figure out how to fit everything in and make it as good as possible.. They really need this to go well otherwise ... well if the rest of the event fails it doesn't look good as far as lol esports is concerned. I think they should keep us informed, but I don't think they should rush, hopefully tomorrow or next day the schedule is released. As long as Riot keeps throwing money at the game, I think they'll buy enough time for people to forget some of the issues of this event. So overall, no real concern. It does suck how the last day went though and how they are scrambling to setup a schedule before the finals. | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
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BlueBird.
United States3889 Posts
On October 08 2012 09:16 Avs wrote: As long as Riot keeps throwing money at the game, I think they'll buy enough time for people to forget some of the issues of this event. So overall, no real concern. It does suck how the last day went though and how they are scrambling to setup a schedule before the finals. It might be anecdotal, but if the big season final events fail like this one then I won't really care for watching in the future. I don't watch the stuff inbetween, I watched some of the OGN stuff and that was pretty good especially when the foreign teams played vs the korean teams, I enjoy the rivalries etc but between now and S1 haven't watched much or cared much. S1 finals were pretty awesome, I can remember some plays still like Fnatics Alistair just going crazy... Then again, I don't play LoL right now, so i might not be like most general viewers(and most general viewers are casual anyways, it's hard to compare me to any or all of them) I do feel like there is some concern, if they don't get the finals for an entire second season of League of Legends right on the second freaking try, then it's going to leave a bad taste in a lot of peoples mouths for quite some time, If a casual player felt like they wasted their entire day watching absolutely nothing yesterday, i wouldn't be shocked if it happened again they just choose not to watch LoL tournaments anymore. In the end I don't think this stuff will stop LoL from being played as a game, I mean it's a huge freaking game, but it could hinder future competition, although the season three stuff sounds interesting, looking forward too the details. | ||
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nojitosunrise
United States6188 Posts
Matches to be replayed on Wednesday (fresh Bo3 for CLG and WE) Official Riot Statement http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=2655300 | ||
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sung_moon
United States10110 Posts
That sounds about right? | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On October 08 2012 09:49 sung_moon wrote: Ok, so just to get my facts straight, Game 1 WE > CLG convincingly. Game 2 #1 WE clearly ahead of CLG then DC. Game 2 #2 CLG> WE. Lastly, Game 3 CLG ahead of WE then DC #2? That sounds about right? Game 3 #2 CLG about even with WE then DC #3. | ||
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