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On August 27 2012 04:27 mr_tolkien wrote:
I don't understand why everybody is so offuscated. Even in real sports, you «troll» when the result in the game you're playing has no outcome on your league standings.
The only thing they play for is money, and if you remove that there's not much left :/ MLG doesn't really have any prestige unfortunately.
This happens in real sports all the time.
For example, in the NHL it is more than common to see 4th liners getting 30 minutes of icetime while the stars warm the bench in the last couple games of the season when the playoff spots are already clinched.
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On August 27 2012 04:32 Slaughter wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 04:30 HazMat wrote:On August 27 2012 04:28 Lancer723 wrote:
Seriously this is fun. The crowd is enjoying it, I'm enjoying it, the players are having fun. Is there anyway we can keep the torches and pitchforks in their cases this time?
In reality though it doesn't make sense for Curse or Dig to pull out their best stuff with championships and those huge prizepools looming in the near future for what is a very minor tournament. Hence why TSM straight up skipped this tourney. Yeah this is really fun. People on this site don't like fun. Everything has to be super serious and professional. I blame Marcou for that stupid circuit point thing. People don't like fun because they are all scared of hurting DA ESPORTS ELEPHANT. :D
I swear the only thing negative that has been said was that mlg might not like it? Too many hipsters thinking only they know how to have fun. :D
Edit: I was wrong : O
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On August 27 2012 04:33 I_Love_Bacon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 04:31 Kyhron wrote:On August 27 2012 04:25 TheKefka wrote:On August 27 2012 04:23 Kyhron wrote:On August 27 2012 04:20 TheKefka wrote:On August 27 2012 04:19 Amethyst21 wrote:On August 27 2012 04:18 WaveofShadow wrote:
I...I don't know what to make of this.
I guess part of the issue here is Riot's 'Circuit Points' model since neither team cares about the results of this particular tourney, but it really shows the immaturity of the LoL e-sports scene in general. Do any of the other major sports or e-sports get away with this type of thing, or hell, even attempt it? Naniwa says hi. How is this even remotely close to what Naniwa did,this is the finals? In both situations someone really didnt want to play the game since it had no influence on outcomes of the respective tournaments and things beyond so they dont try. IMO what naniwa did was worse since he didnt even try to have fun with it while dig and crs are smiling and laughing about it. Are you serious?Naniwa threw a game that should have never happened in the first place in GROUP play. This is the finals for a decent sum of money.If you think this is even comparable to what naniwa did your pretty fucking dumb. And Naniwas was worse because he didn't try to have fun,WHAT LOL. I bet savior had fun throwing his games so his shit was less troublesome than this. Naniwa wouldnt have gotten the hell he did if he had done ANYTHING....he coulda 6 pooled fuck he could have idk fucking microed his probes and it would have seemed atleast a little better. Dig and CRS clearly dont care who really wins its not going to make a difference for regionals so why not ARAM? Its different and not something you get to see from high level players all the time. Theyve had a long stressful weekend give them a break ffs let them play how they want to I'm not personally offended by the situation, but the reasoning is obvious: It means that this MLG finals is a joke. Neither team takes it seriously. The spectators paid expecting to see a good final and got an ARAM. People might've bought MLG gold expecting an actual game, to get this. It's basically like ordering a good steak from getting a restaurant and you're served a hamburger with A1 on it.
Not sure about that analogy. The crowd was entertained and compared to a normal game this one had 100x the action because thats what ARAM is and why it appeals to people. It is the equivalent of resting starters but instead of that your resting your strategies while adding a little Zaz into the action.
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ya its all and "fun" until you realize there are actual crs/dig fans that possibly bought mlg gold or tickets expecting them to play at their best in a serious game.
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On August 27 2012 04:25 TheKefka wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 04:23 Kyhron wrote:On August 27 2012 04:20 TheKefka wrote:On August 27 2012 04:19 Amethyst21 wrote:On August 27 2012 04:18 WaveofShadow wrote:
I...I don't know what to make of this.
I guess part of the issue here is Riot's 'Circuit Points' model since neither team cares about the results of this particular tourney, but it really shows the immaturity of the LoL e-sports scene in general. Do any of the other major sports or e-sports get away with this type of thing, or hell, even attempt it? Naniwa says hi. How is this even remotely close to what Naniwa did,this is the finals? In both situations someone really didnt want to play the game since it had no influence on outcomes of the respective tournaments and things beyond so they dont try. IMO what naniwa did was worse since he didnt even try to have fun with it while dig and crs are smiling and laughing about it. Are you serious?Naniwa threw a game that should have never happened in the first place in GROUP play. This is the finals for a decent sum of money.If you think this is even comparable to what naniwa did your pretty fucking dumb. And Naniwas was worse because he didn't try to have fun,WHAT LOL. I bet savior had fun throwing his games so his shit was less troublesome than this.
These teams obviously feel that this game never should have happened or they wouldn't be doing this. Splitting the money or not, I don't give a shit whether the 2, or 10, people playing the game try to have fun. I care about the thousands of people that payed for legit competition.
If this game isn't important then, yeah, sucks for MLG. They made a mistake. Also the teams did too. Its the same situation. If it were found out that a GSL championship didn't involve money splitting but did involve the two opponents agreeing to certain strategies before-hand there would be outrage.
I guarantee fall-out.
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Whether or not you have an opinion on whether this is a good thing or a bad thing, Naniwa's probe rush isn't even close to being the same. It's just not even in the same league.
Probe rushing is 100% loss 100% of the time even if you micro your heart out against a pro player. Even against plat if they know to amove, you'll still lose. Naniwa just wanted something slightly more acceptable than gging and leaving immediately.
If he'd proxy gated or 4 gated or something, there wouldn't have been a problem.
Naniwa didn't try to win, and still wouldn't have been trying to win if he'd micro'd his probes.
These guys are trying to win under restrictions they placed upon themselves. An equivalent might be if Naniwa and Nestea had decided before the game to switch races and have nani play z and nestea play p edit: and they'd both played to the best of their abilities.
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Dignitas and Curse Gaming decided to go to MLG instead of declining it like TSM and CLG did. They came into MLG with the full knowledge that there was the possibility of them meeting and having to play each other. They knew that TSm and CLG would be able to watch all of their games. It is highly improper for them to suddenly decide on the spur of the moment they want to conserve strategies when they voluntarily decided to participate in MLG and knew all of the risks.
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If they don´t find the finals important they shouldnt have signed up for the tournament.
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I just don't see Scarra going through with this unless he'd already talked to Riot and confirmed they won't be DQ'd from regionals.
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On August 27 2012 04:30 Xevious wrote:
just want to point out that regardless of who's "entertained" they probably have like twice as many fucking viewers as they would have if they had a normal finals.
For game 1 maybe. If they kept this up for a Bo5? Everyone tunes out. No fucking way people are watching this bullshit for that long.
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On August 27 2012 04:34 Slaughter wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 04:33 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On August 27 2012 04:31 Kyhron wrote:On August 27 2012 04:25 TheKefka wrote:On August 27 2012 04:23 Kyhron wrote:On August 27 2012 04:20 TheKefka wrote:On August 27 2012 04:19 Amethyst21 wrote:On August 27 2012 04:18 WaveofShadow wrote:
I...I don't know what to make of this.
I guess part of the issue here is Riot's 'Circuit Points' model since neither team cares about the results of this particular tourney, but it really shows the immaturity of the LoL e-sports scene in general. Do any of the other major sports or e-sports get away with this type of thing, or hell, even attempt it? Naniwa says hi. How is this even remotely close to what Naniwa did,this is the finals? In both situations someone really didnt want to play the game since it had no influence on outcomes of the respective tournaments and things beyond so they dont try. IMO what naniwa did was worse since he didnt even try to have fun with it while dig and crs are smiling and laughing about it. Are you serious?Naniwa threw a game that should have never happened in the first place in GROUP play. This is the finals for a decent sum of money.If you think this is even comparable to what naniwa did your pretty fucking dumb. And Naniwas was worse because he didn't try to have fun,WHAT LOL. I bet savior had fun throwing his games so his shit was less troublesome than this. Naniwa wouldnt have gotten the hell he did if he had done ANYTHING....he coulda 6 pooled fuck he could have idk fucking microed his probes and it would have seemed atleast a little better. Dig and CRS clearly dont care who really wins its not going to make a difference for regionals so why not ARAM? Its different and not something you get to see from high level players all the time. Theyve had a long stressful weekend give them a break ffs let them play how they want to I'm not personally offended by the situation, but the reasoning is obvious: It means that this MLG finals is a joke. Neither team takes it seriously. The spectators paid expecting to see a good final and got an ARAM. People might've bought MLG gold expecting an actual game, to get this. It's basically like ordering a good steak from getting a restaurant and you're served a hamburger with A1 on it. Not sure about that analogy. The crowd was entertained and compared to a normal game this one had 100x the action because thats what ARAM is and why it appeals to people. It is the equivalent of resting starters but instead of that your resting your strategies while adding a little Zaz into the action.
And the Hamburger might've been delicious, but you ordered a steak.
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You can all say what you want. Most crowd LoL has had all weekend.
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How are the casters coping with this, did they comment on the situation? (cant watch)
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So it's ARAM for all 5 (3?) games according to MLG because both teams wanted to keep strategies secret for regionals.
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On August 27 2012 04:37 I_Love_Bacon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 04:34 Slaughter wrote:On August 27 2012 04:33 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On August 27 2012 04:31 Kyhron wrote:On August 27 2012 04:25 TheKefka wrote:On August 27 2012 04:23 Kyhron wrote:On August 27 2012 04:20 TheKefka wrote:On August 27 2012 04:19 Amethyst21 wrote:On August 27 2012 04:18 WaveofShadow wrote:
I...I don't know what to make of this.
I guess part of the issue here is Riot's 'Circuit Points' model since neither team cares about the results of this particular tourney, but it really shows the immaturity of the LoL e-sports scene in general. Do any of the other major sports or e-sports get away with this type of thing, or hell, even attempt it? Naniwa says hi. How is this even remotely close to what Naniwa did,this is the finals? In both situations someone really didnt want to play the game since it had no influence on outcomes of the respective tournaments and things beyond so they dont try. IMO what naniwa did was worse since he didnt even try to have fun with it while dig and crs are smiling and laughing about it. Are you serious?Naniwa threw a game that should have never happened in the first place in GROUP play. This is the finals for a decent sum of money.If you think this is even comparable to what naniwa did your pretty fucking dumb. And Naniwas was worse because he didn't try to have fun,WHAT LOL. I bet savior had fun throwing his games so his shit was less troublesome than this. Naniwa wouldnt have gotten the hell he did if he had done ANYTHING....he coulda 6 pooled fuck he could have idk fucking microed his probes and it would have seemed atleast a little better. Dig and CRS clearly dont care who really wins its not going to make a difference for regionals so why not ARAM? Its different and not something you get to see from high level players all the time. Theyve had a long stressful weekend give them a break ffs let them play how they want to I'm not personally offended by the situation, but the reasoning is obvious: It means that this MLG finals is a joke. Neither team takes it seriously. The spectators paid expecting to see a good final and got an ARAM. People might've bought MLG gold expecting an actual game, to get this. It's basically like ordering a good steak from getting a restaurant and you're served a hamburger with A1 on it. Not sure about that analogy. The crowd was entertained and compared to a normal game this one had 100x the action because thats what ARAM is and why it appeals to people. It is the equivalent of resting starters but instead of that your resting your strategies while adding a little Zaz into the action. And the Hamburger might've been delicious, but you ordered a steak.
The crowd seemed to find that the Hamburger was what they wanted all along, they just didn't know the hamburger was a possibility.
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On August 27 2012 04:33 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 04:30 HazMat wrote:On August 27 2012 04:28 Lancer723 wrote:
Seriously this is fun. The crowd is enjoying it, I'm enjoying it, the players are having fun. Is there anyway we can keep the torches and pitchforks in their cases this time?
In reality though it doesn't make sense for Curse or Dig to pull out their best stuff with championships and those huge prizepools looming in the near future for what is a very minor tournament. Hence why TSM straight up skipped this tourney. Yeah this is really fun. People on this site don't like fun. Everything has to be super serious and professional. I blame Marcou for that stupid circuit point thing. Isn't this really hypocritical of you to say this when you were getting "mad" (don't know how else to call it) when you were losing/gaining 4-5 elo in ranked because of huge gap duo queues? They were having fun too, no?
Oh damn.
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I lost all respect of LoL after randomly tuning in on a break from SC2
Sorry I dont see them as competitors anymore.
competitors not giving their best in a finals
how does this make MLG look like?
remember this is FINALS not some fucking exhibition match.
disgrace imo.
You give your all in a finals no matter what game it is.
Ever see a proffesional sport do this in a finals?
no
because theyre fucking proffesionals
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On August 27 2012 04:34 Shivaz wrote:
ya its all and "fun" until you realize there are actual crs/dig fans that possibly bought mlg gold or tickets expecting them to play at their best in a serious game.
Yeah, but everyone knows they're hiding their best strats and not giving 100% anyway. Of course no one expected a trolly ARAM, but the circuit point format already ensured that this finals would be virtually meaningless.
I still would have preferred a normal game, but oh well, what can you do
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On August 27 2012 04:36 mint_julep wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 04:30 Xevious wrote:
just want to point out that regardless of who's "entertained" they probably have like twice as many fucking viewers as they would have if they had a normal finals. For game 1 maybe. If they kept this up for a Bo5? Everyone tunes out. No fucking way people are watching this bullshit for that long.
Sure they are going to keep watching, not all of us are ESPORTS fanatics.
Some people just want to see pros play.
On August 27 2012 04:38 EggYsc2 wrote:
I lost all respect of LoL after randomly tuning in on a break from SC2
Sorry I dont see them as competitors anymore.
competitors not giving their best in a finals
how does this make MLG look like?
They are trying their best, given their imposed conditions.
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On August 27 2012 04:36 SgtCoDFish wrote:
Whether or not you have an opinion on whether this is a good thing or a bad thing, Naniwa's probe rush isn't even close to being the same. It's just not even in the same league.
Probe rushing is 100% loss 100% of the time even if you micro your heart out against a pro player. Even against plat if they know to amove, you'll still lose. Naniwa just wanted something slightly more acceptable than gging and leaving immediately.
If he'd proxy gated or 4 gated or something, there wouldn't have been a problem.
Naniwa didn't try to win, and still wouldn't have been trying to win if he'd micro'd his probes.
These guys are trying to win under restrictions they placed upon themselves. An equivalent might be if Naniwa and Nestea had decided before the game to switch races and have nani play z and nestea play p edit: and they'd both played to the best of their abilities.
LOL you're kidding right, PLEASE PLEASE tell me or a little part of my faith in humanity just died. They did not try their best to win.
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