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The Rain Man for MVP. Performed the best out of anyone in 1v2 lanes, won his 1v1 lanes, used teleport the most effectively, and was the only player to beat Yorick(banned/picked in every streamed game) in lane.
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On November 21 2011 10:31 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
I'd rather see them ban Maokai and try to deal with the other composition at least. When you get swatted by the same champion over and over again it looks worse when you don't bother banning him. Clearly you can't beat Maokai so at least give something else a shot.
I don't care how bad it "looks"--without having ever played in their situation, I don't think you can criticize their decision. They weighed the possibility of leaving Zilean on the table vs. having to play Maokai again, and they felt the latter option was better. I'm not saying it was necessarily correct, but I don't think anyone not among those teams can possibly have enough knowledge of the situation to reasonably make a better decision. Certainly, there's enough logic to their choice that it's not obviously wrong.
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I don't know if they could have known how strong maokai was... like if you told me that OddOne Maokai = mvp, I'd be a little incredulous
I mean i know oddone plays maokai, but maokai? o.O
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Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
I am an SKT/CLG fan and I am completely stubborn, obnoxiously dedicated and intolerably smug, especially when my favourite team wins. And I think that's fine. More friendly competition is always good. 
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You can't play every champion perfectly. I play my top5 champs significantly better than my top10, and my top10 miles ahead of my top20, etc.
This is like telling Boxer to play Zerg vs an opponent because he can't win with Terran.
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Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
On November 21 2011 10:35 CeriseCherries wrote:
I don't know if they could have known how strong maokai was... like if you told me that OddOne Maokai = mvp, I'd be a little incredulous
I mean i know oddone plays maokai, but maokai? o.O
Maokai has always been prety powerful with good burst, CC and his Ult negating 20% of all non-tower damage is insane. It's just been a matter that it's hard to fit him into a team. Chu8 was able to figure out how to lane him. And TOO has obviously found a way to get around his Blue Buff dependency.
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On November 21 2011 10:34 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 10:31 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
I'd rather see them ban Maokai and try to deal with the other composition at least. When you get swatted by the same champion over and over again it looks worse when you don't bother banning him. Clearly you can't beat Maokai so at least give something else a shot. I don't care how bad it "looks"--without having ever played in their situation, I don't think you can criticize their decision. They weighed the possibility of leaving Zilean on the table vs. having to play Maokai again, and they felt the latter option was better. I'm not saying it was necessarily correct, but I don't think anyone not among those teams can possibly have enough knowledge of the situation to reasonably make a better decision. Certainly, there's enough logic to their choice that it's not obviously wrong.
If you're that sure you're gonna lose you might as well play triple AP I guess. Forever #2 go go eg.
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On November 21 2011 10:36 rigwarl wrote:
You can't play every champion perfectly. I play my top5 champs significantly better than my top10, and my top10 miles ahead of my top20, etc.
This is like telling Boxer to play Zerg vs an opponent because he can't win with Terran.
Or saying that Savior should have 4-pooled his 3rd game against Bisu in the GOM MSL S1 Finals.
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On November 21 2011 10:38 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 10:36 rigwarl wrote:
You can't play every champion perfectly. I play my top5 champs significantly better than my top10, and my top10 miles ahead of my top20, etc.
This is like telling Boxer to play Zerg vs an opponent because he can't win with Terran. Or saying that Savior should have 4-pooled his 3rd game against Bisu in the GOM MSL S1 Finals.
To be fair, at that point it was probably worth a shot. 
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I never said anything about perfection, I said playing champions to their full potential, as in being comfortable with your skill sets and how your champion functions in a team, and what you are generally weak and strong against. If the NA teams are so convinced that Zilian is the strongest available AP carry, then why on earth would they not play him to reach that level of comfort, where you have a nice solid zilian build you are comfortable with? I don't like using the analogy of "oh, well REGINALD'S ZILIAN", because that just sounds stupid to me. Reginald is a skilled player in general, no matter what champ he is playing. If he is comfortable with a mid champion, he has the potential to be one of the best in the world at any given time on it. Salce and Scarra are both very good players, and they have both played zilian just fine before.
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On November 21 2011 10:36 MoonBear wrote:I am an SKT/CLG fan and I am completely stubborn, obnoxiously dedicated and intolerably smug, especially when my favourite team wins. And I think that's fine. More friendly competition is always good.
Damn, you're an SKT fan? Now I don't know if I like you as much despite all your contributions to the forum. I hope you're not also a Yankees fan.
(This post is fully tongue in cheek. Just clarifying since tone can be hard on the Interwebs.)
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lol EG forever #2. New meme incoming.
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I feel like OddOne is easily the MVP of the tournament - his jungle Maokai is so ridiculously good, and I feel like he won his team a lot of fights they would have lost with a different jungler/player combination.
On a seperate note, I feel like as a result of Teleport's continued power, that it might be worth testing giving it a non-global range.
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On November 21 2011 10:39 MoonBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 10:38 TheYango wrote:On November 21 2011 10:36 rigwarl wrote:
You can't play every champion perfectly. I play my top5 champs significantly better than my top10, and my top10 miles ahead of my top20, etc.
This is like telling Boxer to play Zerg vs an opponent because he can't win with Terran. Or saying that Savior should have 4-pooled his 3rd game against Bisu in the GOM MSL S1 Finals. To be fair, at that point it was probably worth a shot.
But the chance of it actually letting him win the series is not so much better that you can criticize him for it. Which is my point.
Was banning Maokai worth a shot? Maybe. Was the difference between banning Maokai and leaving Zilean vs. banning Zilean and leaving Maokai big enough to say that EG clearly made the wrong decision? Of course, not, it's Regi's Zilean.
On November 21 2011 10:42 Gooey wrote:
I never said anything about perfection, I said playing champions to their full potential, as in being comfortable with your skill sets and how your champion functions in a team, and what you are generally weak and strong against. If the NA teams are so convinced that Zilian is the strongest available AP carry, then why on earth would they not play him to reach that level of comfort, where you have a nice solid zilian build you are comfortable with? I don't like using the analogy of "oh, well REGINALD'S ZILIAN", because that just sounds stupid to me. Reginald is a skilled player in general, no matter what champ he is playing. If he is comfortable with a mid champion, he has the potential to be one of the best in the world at any given time on it. Salce and Scarra are both very good players, and they have both played zilian just fine before.
Actually, I distinctly recall people noting how underwhelming Salce's Zilean was when he was acting as a ringer for CLG. And there's also the fact that at IEM NY Scarra basically threw an almost un-loseable game vs. CLG by botching his ult in 3 consecutive teamfights.
The level at which top players in a role play different champions varies EXTREMELY widely.
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im so happy for TSM, out of all teams they seem to work the hardest.
Getting a team house and playing 10+hours a day.
on topic:
You can't really ban maokai, it will just open up many champs that will be available to TSM.
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So sad for Epik  Therainman played the best Ive ever seen him play. I used to think he was just a bit mediocre (for a top level pro) but maybe its the gaming house or maybe its just that we've never seen the best of him but he played so so so well this tournament.
Epik seemed to be blindsided by tsm's lane swaps every single time in all three games and were like 1k-2k gold down by the 5 minute mark just cause their top lane was always getting denied. I mean, tsm have been doing this for ages and they've scrimmed against it a ton and they still dont seem to take it into account when looking at lane assignments? Riven was always going to be destroyed by a vayne alistar lane, and they picked her into that with vayne and ali already picked (indeed after inviting the alistar pick with the kennen pick).
What if they'd put riven mid against karthus? Guaranteed to not have support/ranged ad in that lane, and riven is pretty ok against most mages (I dont know specifically against karthus. Kennen should be at least able to last hit a bit with shuriken and is probably a little safer against the flash alistar kills than riven is, and if he winds up against yorick thats not too awful either. Then sona jax is fine either against the duo lane or against the solo yorick. Sure they may well still end up with losing lane matchups but it shouldnt snowball as horribly hard and they can hopefully start pushing towards their amazing late game. But the picks in general for that game felt a little schizophrenic.
Last game was pretty cool. Double armor shred, damage amp and a taric+ad aura make riven super scary and comes with a huge amount of aoe magic damage too. The teamfights were super close even with a 10k gold advantage. Ez's ability to fight outside the big aoes was probably the deciding factor imoimo. Also losing the lanes super hard again, but they got a few dragons to make up for that. Also Yorick having tp and no one on eg having tp (which was bizarre for my money - did they really need all those ignites? - Having tp could even have helped smooth over the laning phase a bit) giving him free split pushes ALL DAY.
EG best team at creating super secret strats and then blowing them day 1 of a major tournament.
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Therainman's play overrated today...yes he did few good teleports (regi might made that call), but thats it.
the problem is that EG had NO idea how to counter bot lane yorick...
i mean, dat bot lane yorick 2 stronk
I'm not as pro as EG, but imho maybe nasus can counter yorick according to yersterday's games? idunno
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On November 21 2011 10:50 emucxg wrote:
Therainman's play overrated today...yes he did few good teleports (regi might made that call), but thats it.
the problem is that EG had NO idea how to counter bot lane yorick...
i mean, dat bot lane yorick 2 stronk
I'm not as pro as EG, but imho maybe nasus can counter yorick according to yersterday's games? idunno
Who on EG plays Nasus?
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On November 21 2011 10:50 emucxg wrote:
I'm not as pro as EG, but imho maybe nasus can counter yorick according to yersterday's games? idunno
From interviews they know that Nasus counterpicks Yorick. I think the problem is that neither Dyrus nor Westrice play Yorick.
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