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On November 21 2011 10:18 TieN.nS) wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 10:17 Gooey wrote:On November 21 2011 10:14 TheYango wrote:On November 21 2011 10:13 Gooey wrote:On November 21 2011 10:09 tobi9999 wrote:On November 21 2011 10:08 Gooey wrote: You would think they would ban Maoki after one or two games, but they let OddOne get him all 4 games... They have no clue how to deal with a maoki. TSM has run maoki + trundle/yorick every single game now. Their lineups have been very similar every game, whereas Epik have been scrambling around with a bunch of different lineups. Why not try and shake TSM out of their newfound comfort zone, instead of trying to change up everything you are doing? Epik have had 4 very different lineups every game. I don't think you've seen EG vs TSM scrims 10-0 regi kass 20-0 chaox trist every single game. they don't have room to ban maokai That is 2 champions you listed, so just ban Maoki as third? They have to do something to change up what TSM has been doing, and they aren't. Sure, there are other good champions to ban, but I think it is pretty clear they don't know what to do against this maoki. He's been used 4 straight games with no answer. If you don't know how to beat him, you aren't beating him. Then they leave Zilean open for Regi. You make it sound like it's so easy to ban Maokai, without leaving open something that's a much bigger threat. They're really stuck between a rock and a hard place here. They have probably played against zilian many times, they would be more familiar against him. Zilian has only won one game all tournament, so I do not see how this is so bad? I said, there are other good champions as well that could be available, but they most likely have way more confidence playing against a zilian than they do a maoki that has been destroying them for 3 straight games. Everything TSM is doing early game is playing off of this maoki from OddOne, so disrupting that gives TSM a whole different game to play than what they have been. If you give TSM Yorick + Zilean game's automatically over. u R silly Take one or the other then? They can't get both, unless you willingly give it to them. If TSM don't ban either one themselves, then you get zil or yorick with either first or second pick <.<
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United States47024 Posts
On November 21 2011 10:17 Gooey wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 10:14 TheYango wrote:On November 21 2011 10:13 Gooey wrote:On November 21 2011 10:09 tobi9999 wrote:On November 21 2011 10:08 Gooey wrote: You would think they would ban Maoki after one or two games, but they let OddOne get him all 4 games... They have no clue how to deal with a maoki. TSM has run maoki + trundle/yorick every single game now. Their lineups have been very similar every game, whereas Epik have been scrambling around with a bunch of different lineups. Why not try and shake TSM out of their newfound comfort zone, instead of trying to change up everything you are doing? Epik have had 4 very different lineups every game. I don't think you've seen EG vs TSM scrims 10-0 regi kass 20-0 chaox trist every single game. they don't have room to ban maokai That is 2 champions you listed, so just ban Maoki as third? They have to do something to change up what TSM has been doing, and they aren't. Sure, there are other good champions to ban, but I think it is pretty clear they don't know what to do against this maoki. He's been used 4 straight games with no answer. If you don't know how to beat him, you aren't beating him. Then they leave Zilean open for Regi. You make it sound like it's so easy to ban Maokai, without leaving open something that's a much bigger threat. They're really stuck between a rock and a hard place here. They have probably played against zilian many times, they would be more familiar against him. Zilian has only won one game all tournament, so I do not see how this is so bad? I said, there are other good champions as well that could be available, but they most likely have way more confidence playing against a zilian than they do a maoki that has been destroying them for 3 straight games. Everything TSM is doing early game is playing off of this maoki from OddOne, so disrupting that gives TSM a whole different game to play than what they have been. That's sort of an unfair statistic to cite when he was banned in the overwhelming majority of the games in the tournament.
It's pretty well known at this point that most top US teams consider Zilean a must-ban/pick, at least when TSM or CLG is involved.
On November 21 2011 10:19 Gooey wrote: Take one or the other then? They can't get both, unless you willingly give it to them. If TSM don't ban either one themselves, then you get zil or yorick with either first or second pick <.< Both EG and Dignitas tried the "take Zilean from TSM" strategy. The problem is that Scarra and Salce are nowhere near as good at Zilean as Regi is. The only Zilean player who can really match Regi is jiji.
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Really disappointing games from EG
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CHAOX TIAMAT LOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLL
NEW META
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10-0 for turrets. That's just silly. Even if TSM gets aced twice in a row, they wouldn't lose.
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Vancouver14381 Posts
Poll: Who is MLG Providence MVP?The Odd One (23) 66% The Rain Man (6) 17% Chaox (4) 11% ReginaId (1) 3% Salce (1) 3% Jatt (0) 0% Dan Dinh (0) 0% Westrice (0) 0% Dyrus (0) 0% scarra (0) 0% Voyboy (0) 0% Xpecial (0) 0% 35 total votes Your vote: Who is MLG Providence MVP? (Vote): ReginaId (Vote): Salce (Vote): The Odd One (Vote): The Rain Man (Vote): Jatt (Vote): Dan Dinh (Vote): Westrice (Vote): Dyrus (Vote): scarra (Vote): Voyboy (Vote): Chaox (Vote): Xpecial
Poll: Recommend EG vs TSM Game 6?No (13) 87% Yes (2) 13% 15 total votes Your vote: Recommend EG vs TSM Game 6? (Vote): Yes (Vote): No
I would have added some of the RFLX players onto the MVP poll but we never got to see them on stream.
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On November 21 2011 10:20 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 10:17 Gooey wrote:On November 21 2011 10:14 TheYango wrote:On November 21 2011 10:13 Gooey wrote:On November 21 2011 10:09 tobi9999 wrote:On November 21 2011 10:08 Gooey wrote: You would think they would ban Maoki after one or two games, but they let OddOne get him all 4 games... They have no clue how to deal with a maoki. TSM has run maoki + trundle/yorick every single game now. Their lineups have been very similar every game, whereas Epik have been scrambling around with a bunch of different lineups. Why not try and shake TSM out of their newfound comfort zone, instead of trying to change up everything you are doing? Epik have had 4 very different lineups every game. I don't think you've seen EG vs TSM scrims 10-0 regi kass 20-0 chaox trist every single game. they don't have room to ban maokai That is 2 champions you listed, so just ban Maoki as third? They have to do something to change up what TSM has been doing, and they aren't. Sure, there are other good champions to ban, but I think it is pretty clear they don't know what to do against this maoki. He's been used 4 straight games with no answer. If you don't know how to beat him, you aren't beating him. Then they leave Zilean open for Regi. You make it sound like it's so easy to ban Maokai, without leaving open something that's a much bigger threat. They're really stuck between a rock and a hard place here. They have probably played against zilian many times, they would be more familiar against him. Zilian has only won one game all tournament, so I do not see how this is so bad? I said, there are other good champions as well that could be available, but they most likely have way more confidence playing against a zilian than they do a maoki that has been destroying them for 3 straight games. Everything TSM is doing early game is playing off of this maoki from OddOne, so disrupting that gives TSM a whole different game to play than what they have been. That's sort of an unfair statistic to cite when he was banned in the overwhelming majority of the games in the tournament. It's pretty well known at this point that most top US teams consider Zilean a must-ban/pick, at least when TSM or CLG is involved. Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 10:19 Gooey wrote: Take one or the other then? They can't get both, unless you willingly give it to them. If TSM don't ban either one themselves, then you get zil or yorick with either first or second pick <.< Both EG and Dignitas tried the "take Zilean from TSM" strategy. The problem is that Scarra and Salce are nowhere near as good at Zilean as Regi is. The only Zilean player who can really match Regi is jiji. TSM dealt with zilian/vayne just fine in this very series? If TSM are confident facing it, I'm sure EG are.
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Rainman was definitely MVP for TSM, dude was carrying hard every game.
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That was pretty terrible casting in the last game... trying to make it seem like EG were still in it, and just a whole bunch of other mistakes. I should've just kept the sound off.
Dignitas vs TSM game 1 was definitely the gam eof the day... play went downhill from there
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GG to TSM. What a well deserved victory!
TSM vs EG Grand Finals Game 3 (TSM wins series 4-2)
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Is it just me or are those people chanting "TSM" really pathetic?
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Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
EG for new Kong Line in LoL.
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oddone maokai too stronk
I really wish clg didn't get DQed, I wonder what it would've been like.
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United States47024 Posts
On November 21 2011 10:22 Gooey wrote: TSM dealt with zilian/vayne just fine in this very series? If TSM are confident facing it, I'm sure EG are. It's not about the champion. It's about how good the players are at the champion. The only US AP carry who plays Zilean anywhere close to as well as Regi is jiji (and jiji doesn't even play AP for CLG anymore). Dealing with Salce or Scarra on Zilean is not the same thing by a long shot.
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On November 21 2011 10:23 Koenig99 wrote: Is it just me or are those people chanting "TSM" really pathetic?
You wouldn't be excited if your team won?
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England2662 Posts
On November 21 2011 10:23 MoonBear wrote: EG for new Kong Line in LoL.
I used to call it the Dinh line but I guess I can't anymore.
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
Rainman/Oddone played hella well today. TRM especially. Never thought I'd say Rainman MVP?
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How about some shots of the winning team after their victory instead of 5 minutes of Phreak blathering?
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