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Takkara
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tobi9999
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Shawngood
Germany473 Posts
On November 21 2011 09:44 Takkara wrote: In all honesty, why do the teams in LoL break out comps like this in major tournaments? I mean, this has definitely never been practiced. Is it just like LoL cheese? You just hope at being so unusual and atypical that the other team botches it by not knowing what to do? So many times you see teams just doing silly comps or doing things like "stealing" top picks of the other team even when they don't play them (like people trying to first pick steal Nidalee from CLG). Seems so weird with money on the line to do something as bold as 3 AP, but we'll see after this. Mindgames. Epik said yesterday that they have been losing each and every scrim against TSM and their "secret strat" was exposed yesterday so TSM had enough time to build counters to it for today. | ||
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javy_
United States1677 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23442 Posts
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Takkara
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On November 21 2011 09:49 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: He's still popular in Europe, at least he was on Shyvana patch. The only NA jungler who really plays lee sin is SaintVicious I think. The other ones just play other things and never really learned lee sin I think. Saint's Lee is arguably worse than both Dan or Oddone. As Loco said before, Saint and skillshots don't mix well together. On November 21 2011 09:55 overt wrote: I don't watch OddOne stream but every time he breaks it out in tourneys he does pretty bad at LS. Same for Dan. Both of them might do awesome with him in solo queue but every tournament I've seen EG or TSM use LS they usually don't get much out of him. When was the last time TSM was in a major offline tournament? IPL? Oddone wasn't streaming yet, and he didn't really mass-game Lee Sin until well after that. His Lee Sin has gotten WAY better since then. Honestly, I don't think Lee has good matchups against Skarner or Udyr (who are 2 of the most relevant junglers right now). Both clear way faster than him, and are not afraid of fighting him at low levels. Lee can't disrupt their jungle (they arguably are fast enough to disrupt his), and will get massively outfarmed by either of them, so he essentially he's sort of all-in on his ability to gank. If both sides are playing passive and farming, and don't massively expose themselves to a Lee gank (which everyone has gotten much more used to playing against) he's going to fall behind either of the two. | ||
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Gooey
United States944 Posts
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Takkara
United States2503 Posts
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HPoirot
United States1303 Posts
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tobi9999
United States1966 Posts
On November 21 2011 10:08 Gooey wrote: You would think they would ban Maoki after one or two games, but they let OddOne get him all 4 games... They have no clue how to deal with a maoki. TSM has run maoki + trundle/yorick every single game now. Their lineups have been very similar every game, whereas Epik have been scrambling around with a bunch of different lineups. Why not try and shake TSM out of their newfound comfort zone, instead of trying to change up everything you are doing? Epik have had 4 very different lineups every game. I don't think you've seen EG vs TSM scrims 10-0 regi kass 20-0 chaox trist every single game. they don't have room to ban maokai | ||
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Takkara
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Gooey
United States944 Posts
On November 21 2011 10:09 tobi9999 wrote: I don't think you've seen EG vs TSM scrims 10-0 regi kass 20-0 chaox trist every single game. they don't have room to ban maokai That is 2 champions you listed, so just ban Maoki as third? They have to do something to change up what TSM has been doing, and they aren't. Sure, there are other good champions to ban, but I think it is pretty clear they don't know what to do against this maoki. He's been used 4 straight games with no answer. If you don't know how to beat him, you aren't beating him. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On November 21 2011 10:13 Gooey wrote: That is 2 champions you listed, so just ban Maoki as third? They have to do something to change up what TSM has been doing, and they aren't. Sure, there are other good champions to ban, but I think it is pretty clear they don't know what to do against this maoki. He's been used 4 straight games with no answer. If you don't know how to beat him, you aren't beating him. Then they leave Zilean open for Regi. You make it sound like it's so easy to ban Maokai, without leaving open something that's a much bigger threat. They're really stuck between a rock and a hard place here, because I don't think they have any answer to the other champs they're choosing to ban either. | ||
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Demonace34
United States2493 Posts
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phyvo
United States5635 Posts
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Gooey
United States944 Posts
On November 21 2011 10:14 TheYango wrote: Then they leave Zilean open for Regi. You make it sound like it's so easy to ban Maokai, without leaving open something that's a much bigger threat. They're really stuck between a rock and a hard place here. They have probably played against zilian many times, they would be more familiar against him. Zilian has only won one game all tournament, so I do not see how this is so bad? I said, there are other good champions as well that could be available, but they most likely have way more confidence playing against a zilian than they do a maoki that has been destroying them for 3 straight games. Everything TSM is doing early game is playing off of this maoki from OddOne, so disrupting that gives TSM a whole different game to play than what they have been. | ||
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TieN.nS)
United States2131 Posts
On November 21 2011 10:17 Gooey wrote: They have probably played against zilian many times, they would be more familiar against him. Zilian has only won one game all tournament, so I do not see how this is so bad? I said, there are other good champions as well that could be available, but they most likely have way more confidence playing against a zilian than they do a maoki that has been destroying them for 3 straight games. Everything TSM is doing early game is playing off of this maoki from OddOne, so disrupting that gives TSM a whole different game to play than what they have been. If you give TSM Yorick + Zilean game's automatically over. u R silly | ||
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Takkara
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billy5000
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