[Patch 5.22] What is Marksman Gameplay Discussion - Page 3

On November 12 2015 22:11 Gahlo wrote:

Yup.

As a note: AP Lucian W hurts like fuck.

On November 13 2015 01:37 739 wrote:
I've played like 10 games on new patch already and :

1) After first 2-3 games I was like : Oh my, this patch is so good, new itemization, new masteries, everything is so new.
2) After 10 games are super disgusted to be honest. Games are total crap, one sided stomps. Snowball as hell and damn, I feel squishy as a tank now that you can't even imagine. ADC's are some kind of a joke. Guinsoo is seen every single game of mine. I don't even know what to play, because I feel like I die in 4-5 hits in 'late game'. I say late game, cause none of my games lasted longer than 30 minutes..

On November 13 2015 08:09 M2 wrote:

I confirm this 110% and its not only about the tanks, I play assassins and even if I am in a good shape, if the enemy adc is fed I just lose the duels, I have to be either ahead or even with the adcs to take a duel. Probably the new itemization is fukcin me up as well, I still cannot find what are my optimal builds, however, the feeling for the adcs supremacy stay.

I am not even saying that this is bad, maybe we have to all start working for our carries, like in dota, but this really makes the games so fast and one sided. Its all about which bot lane will get the lead

On November 13 2015 11:51 Ketara wrote:
I thought the minion changes weren't active till next week?

On November 13 2015 12:09 Ketara wrote:
Sounds pretty subtle if people think they're active when they're not and don't notice them on pbe when they are active lol.

On November 13 2015 11:06 Kur0Kishi wrote:


Agreed. I've actually come to the forums to see if anyone figured out a way or combination of masteries to deal with this. At first, all the new changes felt so shiny and awesome, but 10 games later, I was just about ready to throw in the towel. The minion changes do not feel subtle at all, a single loss either at bot or mid was about all it took for people to start sieging my towers. Under perfect circumstances, I can see that the extra pushing power was for the losers to freeze the lane and farm back the advantage. It was supposed to be a subtle thing that encouraged people to learn how to freeze lanes, but personally, it felt like a bloody siege tank came out of nowhere to hammer at my gates and all it took was 1 death.

Secondly, with all the changes to mana, gold and adc to deal with the complaints that tanks weren't melting fast enough I'm really surprised with how badly they misjudged the relative meltiness of tanks at top and well tanks in general. On paper its a good idea. At Gold 2 as a nasus main, most of the tops come out with at least one full defensive item by the 10 minute mark, but with all the balancing and the so called increase in ambient gold, the fastest i could build a frozen heart as a nasus against a garen was 14 minutes when i could usually do it at 12. Even then, i essentially exploded WAAAY faster than before during the mid game, and against a MF of all things. that damned ulti is so frigging painful now. And when a Nasus cant even get close enough to do a single 600 stack Q (28 minutes, CDR is very easy to get this meta, so i went armor runes) before he explodes, you know something is wrong. Not kited, not slowed, not CC-ed, flat out EXPLODED.

For the record, i went 0/12/18 and full armor runes.

Obviously I'm doing something wrong here, but does anyone know what would be the best tank based masteries at the moment?

On a side note, I also went AP mid with Syndra and Zed to check a few things. The sudden drop in DPS is VERY noticeable and the power spikes have slowed somewhat. Auto attack based AP mages, assassins like zed and yasuo are going to be a very popular pick in mid, especially against the usual mana heavy, immobile artillery type AP mages. To give a comparison, as Syndra with a zhonya and a half made luden, doing well enough against a Velkoz to get 3/1/0 at the 9 minute mark, i went up against a Cait who had been losing lane along the tune of 3/4/2. It was flat out impossible to duel her in a straight up fight with her range and DPS even though she only had a BFS and a Cull. stun and unloaded a whole rotation on her from a bush, but was unable to kill the cait in one cycle which is rather sad really. After that, it was just her blasting me to death. I'm aware its now how Syndra is played, but I did it because I simply wanted to test out the relative DPS and duelling capability of the new ADCs. I was not impressed. Safe to say, even as a Zed that had been winning lane (6/1/3), it depended heavily on skill and timing to win against a vayne (3/2/0).

On November 13 2015 12:09 Ketara wrote:
Sounds pretty subtle if people think they're active when they're not and don't notice them on pbe when they are active lol.