[Champion] Zyra - Page 3
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Sponkz
Denmark4564 Posts
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Sermokala
United States13546 Posts
On October 15 2013 11:50 Anakko wrote: Nami? Don't you get severely outdamaged? How do you play the matchup? if you are moving forward on zyra you can't be lined up for a double snare. with your skills giveing you extra ms it throws off the lead the zyra gives for you to be in her q and e. your e gives a ton of damage and slows while your w remains a heal that zyra doesn't have so you'll win the poke wars. max e if you have an adc whos agressive or w if you have one that isn't. | ||
mordek
United States12704 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
When kiting use one W at a time. That way as they chase you they will always have a plant shooting them. If you pop both when they run by them they are in the clear! Also, When you makes plants with q they don't slow like they do with E. If you can have your plants show up behind them if your the aggressor, and in front if they are. Then your plants hit them the most. The OP says max E and I used to but now I max Q. It does ton's more poke damage and is harder for people to dodge. But I would suggest try both and see what works for you. | ||
Anakko
France1934 Posts
Also Running 1-22-7 on zyra is pretty good, with hybrid pen reds and hp quints. You're a monster early in lane, just remember to get a couple mana pots. As for maxing q or e, i like to get 3 points in q early, then max e. Dunno if optimal or i just can't make up my mind lol. If you get ahead in lane, grabbing a kages is generally a good idea. It makes you even more oppressive in lane, and can later turn into a morello if you're doing extra well. Mobi boots are in general the best boots to get as support, even more as zyra coz you're so slow. Zyra is pretty much the only support with which i don't go full ward bitch, since you have both good base dmg and acceptable ratios. While i prioritize oracles and pinks ofc, it's not uncommon for me to end up with HG and morello by endgame if i get many assists. Oh and finally i don't get exhaust as zyra anymore. Ignite is just so good. | ||
miicah
Australia2470 Posts
On November 06 2013 00:30 JimmiC wrote: Here's some random tips. When kiting use one W at a time. That way as they chase you they will always have a plant shooting them. If you pop both when they run by them they are in the clear! Also, When you makes plants with q they don't slow like they do with E. If you can have your plants show up behind them if your the aggressor, and in front if they are. Then your plants hit them the most. The OP says max E and I used to but now I max Q. It does ton's more poke damage and is harder for people to dodge. But I would suggest try both and see what works for you. Ya Q max is good, although I'll probably wait until the S4 changes go live before I make any changes to the guide. | ||
ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
On November 06 2013 03:36 Anakko wrote: Probably not optimal, but fun: if you don't expect jungles ganks, q-w-q makes for a really strong lvl 3, especially with ignite. That harass is so strong. Also Running 1-22-7 on zyra is pretty good, with hybrid pen reds and hp quints. You're a monster early in lane, just remember to get a couple mana pots. As for maxing q or e, i like to get 3 points in q early, then max e. Dunno if optimal or i just can't make up my mind lol. If you get ahead in lane, grabbing a kages is generally a good idea. It makes you even more oppressive in lane, and can later turn into a morello if you're doing extra well. Mobi boots are in general the best boots to get as support, even more as zyra coz you're so slow. Zyra is pretty much the only support with which i don't go full ward bitch, since you have both good base dmg and acceptable ratios. While i prioritize oracles and pinks ofc, it's not uncommon for me to end up with HG and morello by endgame if i get many assists. Oh and finally i don't get exhaust as zyra anymore. Ignite is just so good. Can't agree more with this post. QWQ is strong as shit if you've got a good feel on their jungle presence, and 1-22-7 with the listed runes is too strong. You pretty much feel like a second ap carry all game. | ||
miicah
Australia2470 Posts
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Argoth.
Germany1961 Posts
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oZe
Sweden492 Posts
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miicah
Australia2470 Posts
lolwat Zyra has less base HP than Sona | ||
W2
United States1177 Posts
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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miicah
Australia2470 Posts
Using a standard mid page (hpen reds, ap quints) with a heavy defensive build (15/15 or 21/9) would probably be the best. EDIT: first changes for 4.3 updated in OP | ||
JazzVortical
Australia1825 Posts
On March 14 2014 13:14 krndandaman wrote: ap quints or health quints for support zyra? shes pretty good lately but not sure how to run her I favour the one health quint, as mentioned by miicah. I feel like one of the advantages playing Zyra is her damage, so it's worth losing slight tankiness for extra punch. Build wise, I always go for selfishness. Sightstone only, no Mikael's or Locket or any of that team stuff. Usually Grail -> Liandry's / Rylai's. Liandry's and Rylai's are just so good with her kit. | ||
Prog
United Kingdom1470 Posts
I'm not a big fan of Grail on Zyra. You don't need the mana-regen and you can get cdr from other sources that are cheaper and deal more damage. I think banner of command is really underrated, because it does all this for 2400 gold, which is incredibly cheap and brings a good damage boost. As for the OP: The skill order in the op is still bad i think. The way to go is Q -> W -> E -> Qmax. QWQ brings you to lvl 3 without cc, which is terrible in a lot of cases. You can't do much at any kind of gank and you can't save your adc if he messes up and get's cc'd by the opponent's support. EQW just does too little damage on lvl 2. | ||
miicah
Australia2470 Posts
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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Prog
United Kingdom1470 Posts
miicah is also correct, that if you know for certain their jungler started bot Q->W->Q is a possibility. I just think you rarely can, especially since botlanes started to go into their lane immediatly and do not help the jungler anymore (because they want to control the fight for lvl2). Q->W->E is in general just safer. Additionally E helps some adcs to hit their skillshots (e.g. Cait, Lucian), so you can get more total damage on to your opponents with E instead of lvl2 Q. In conclusion, my simple Q->W->E->Qmax was a bit too simplified, but as a general rule it is okay. Q->W->E->Qmax until laneing phase ends, then E max, would be probably the best rule, but that is not a good rule for new players. | ||
Ghost-z
United States1291 Posts
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