EPT[Guide] Montegomery's Super Serious Guide to ARAMs - Page 8
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cascades
Singapore6122 Posts
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DragoonTT
3398 Posts
On May 10 2013 19:41 nyxnyxnyx wrote: my friend and i had an argument over which was the better team, assuming high level of undertanding of aram / tournament level play. fiddle maokai singed trist heimer vs janna karma thresh cait alistar First team will probably blow the second team away. Team 1: Dark Wind + Sapling are some of the more underrated poke spells, both can deal incredible damage. Heimer adds to the poking and makes pushing on his team impossible. Trist will be forced to AD on that lineup, so will take some time to excel, but can always Buster Shot Alistar if he manages to break past Singed and Maokai. Maokai + Singed frontline is very good if the players understand their champs - especially considering Singed has free reign to aggress as Maokai can just root Alistar. Lineup will also wreck teamfights with Crowstorm and Vengeful Maelstrom. Team 2: Janna is some okay poke, and Thresh is a danger with hook plus Cait is good with range and poke, but Alistar's main use in ARAM is incredible sustain (will go to waste because the team has such high range and hence shouldn't take too much) and he doesn't suffice as a frontline champ alone, especially against Singed/Maokai. Maybe I'm biased cuz I liked old Karma, but new Karma is straight-up bad for ARAM - Q has too little range to poke, Mantra Q is avoidable, W gets you blown up and you don't have a bruiser to support with E. | ||
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novemberbumb
Belgium3 Posts
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mordek
United States12704 Posts
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
On May 10 2013 23:32 DragoonTT wrote: First team will probably blow the second team away. Team 1: Dark Wind + Sapling are some of the more underrated poke spells, both can deal incredible damage. Heimer adds to the poking and makes pushing on his team impossible. Trist will be forced to AD on that lineup, so will take some time to excel, but can always Buster Shot Alistar if he manages to break past Singed and Maokai. Maokai + Singed frontline is very good if the players understand their champs - especially considering Singed has free reign to aggress as Maokai can just root Alistar. Lineup will also wreck teamfights with Crowstorm and Vengeful Maelstrom. Team 2: Janna is some okay poke, and Thresh is a danger with hook plus Cait is good with range and poke, but Alistar's main use in ARAM is incredible sustain (will go to waste because the team has such high range and hence shouldn't take too much) and he doesn't suffice as a frontline champ alone, especially against Singed/Maokai. Maybe I'm biased cuz I liked old Karma, but new Karma is straight-up bad for ARAM - Q has too little range to poke, Mantra Q is avoidable, W gets you blown up and you don't have a bruiser to support with E. New Karma is not bad in aram....she is really fucking strong. You just spam mantra Q all day long, it doesn't matter if the second part hits. The range is huge and the AOE is too. Mantra E is always stupid good in teamfights, and her shield makes initiating with people like singed and volibear fucking retarded, you cant run. | ||
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nyxnyxnyx
Indonesia2978 Posts
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ToT)OjKa(
Korea (South)2437 Posts
On May 11 2013 00:45 sob3k wrote: New Karma is not bad in aram....she is really fucking strong. You just spam mantra Q all day long, it doesn't matter if the second part hits. The range is huge and the AOE is too. Mantra E is always stupid good in teamfights, and her shield makes initiating with people like singed and volibear fucking retarded, you cant run. yeah new Karma is sick. First time I played her during the rework, Q is a good looking spell too. Mantra + E is godlike, the shield is good but the speed boost as well? damn son I haven't been able to tell how good her mantra W is for the life drain but it's fairly solid too. | ||
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m4inbrain
1505 Posts
That's actually quite annoying. | ||
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Anggroth
United Kingdom345 Posts
On May 11 2013 00:45 sob3k wrote: New Karma is not bad in aram....she is really fucking strong. You just spam mantra Q all day long, it doesn't matter if the second part hits. The range is huge and the AOE is too. Mantra E is always stupid good in teamfights, and her shield makes initiating with people like singed and volibear fucking retarded, you cant run. The problem with Team 2 is that the champ's don't sync up well enough, you have the great poke from Janna, Karma, Cait, but then pure engage from Thresh/Alistar but no big follow up (other than the same poke spells), whereas team 1 has crazy poke with Fiddle/Mao/Heimer (AP Mao is massively underused in ARAM), good scaling damage with Trist (as long as it's not one of the idiot Trists who ALWAYS use rocket jump offensively or *shudder* builds AP) and the front line of Singed to protect the rest. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
Maybe this is because I own all but 10 champs atm? I imagine those people who own fewer will get multiples more often statistically.... | ||
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m4inbrain
1505 Posts
On May 11 2013 03:58 Seuss wrote: A lot of people have been noticing that sort of thing. I should write a script to query Elobuff for my ARAM stats and figure out my champion distribution. The only problem with that is it won't consider trades/rerolls. Maybe I'll just have to write it all down if I'm really curious. I actually will write it down for the next days, can't be a bad thing. edit: Got ~50, and Lulu round about 6 times today. Thats 6x 1/50 chance, i don't think so. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
http://lolmatches.com/championstats/3.6.0.389/AR On a side note, sona OP with her 68% win rate. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
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overt
United States9006 Posts
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Lylat
France8575 Posts
On May 11 2013 03:58 Seuss wrote: A lot of people have been noticing that sort of thing. I should write a script to query Elobuff for my ARAM stats and figure out my champion distribution. The only problem with that is it won't consider trades/rerolls. Maybe I'll just have to write it all down if I'm really curious. I already started doing this manually. I have ~80 champs and ~100 aram games and there are champs I never rolled and other at least 4-5 times ... Weird. | ||
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m4inbrain
1505 Posts
On May 11 2013 08:45 kitaman27 wrote: This site has a decent sample size of champion distribution for ARAM games. It's tough to say anything definite without knowing what the champions owned statistics are, but it seems fairly random to me. http://lolmatches.com/championstats/3.6.0.389/AR On a side note, sona OP with her 68% win rate. This statistic actually doesn't say anything, you stated the reason already.  Also, if you look at the "least played/popular champs", there are alot of champs i would consider pretty common, like Fiora for example. I don't know, i'll observe/record this the next couple of days for myself. It's just weirding me out, big time. PS: got Lulu two more times yesterday after writing my initial thought on that matter, out of 50 champions, one time as initial char, the other one after a reroll because i got soraka first (for the 3rd time that day). | ||
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rhs408
United States904 Posts
On May 11 2013 08:45 kitaman27 wrote: This site has a decent sample size of champion distribution for ARAM games. It's tough to say anything definite without knowing what the champions owned statistics are, but it seems fairly random to me. http://lolmatches.com/championstats/3.6.0.389/AR On a side note, sona OP with her 68% win rate. Some other interesting stats from this: Top 20 win rates (in order): Sona, Heimer, Ziggs, Soraka, Galio, Kog'Maw, Lux, Zyra, Nidaliee, Twisted Fate, Taric, Janna, Fiddlesticks, Talon, Maokai, Ashe, Malzahar, Nami, Xerath, Caitlyn Bottom 12 win rates (ordered from the worst): Tryndamere, Evelynn, Shaco, Akali, Olaf, Zilean (annoying as hell early game, but falls off late game?), Lee Sin, LeBlanc, Tristana (too many people trying AP trist??), Rengar, Sion, Zed Top 10 KDA Ratios (in order): Nidalee, Lux, Ziggs, Caitlyn, Xerath, Ezreal, Miss Fortune, Kog'Maw, Varus, Jayce | ||
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nyxnyxnyx
Indonesia2978 Posts
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DragoonTT
3398 Posts
On May 11 2013 19:42 nyxnyxnyx wrote: zilean probably suffers from people being bad with his kit (not knowing how / when to optimize rotations of Q/E/W) and being bad with R. used right, there's no reason for zil to be so far down Pretty much this. With +exp, bomb harass and his ult, there's no reason he should be so low - he's just so rarely played people don't know how to play him/alongside him. I've seen so many Zilean ults be wasted because people flash out of combat even though Zilean ulted, realize they've been ulted, run in and die because the ult duration ran out. Akali being so low surprises me, it's really easy for her to hit a certain item threshold in ARAM that allows her to pick apart teams, stealth is a fairly powerful mechanic when usually no one bothers countering it and ARAM builds usually tend towards being overly offensive, so she should have little problems. Tristana is another champ that really shouldn't be that low - AD Trist is good, AP Trist is good. However, most people are probably not experienced enough to judge AP Trist's damage and therefore get blown up before they can jump-stomp the enemy team Also, Jayce and Alistar not among the highest win rates. That's surprising, I'd currently name them among the top 5 champs to have easily. | ||
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