EPT[Champion] Udyr - Page 9
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
i guess its just awkward to get trinity+lizard and trinity is like so much better than every other item its insane | ||
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Czech Republic11293 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
you use the extra tankiness early to do dumb shit because you can't gank normally as well as most junglers and then get damage because you're super tanky also the pheonix rank 5 at lvl 9 gives you quite a lot of damage, and then turtle ranks up to 5 at level 12 and you're quite a bit tankier with that, so getting tank-->damage to match your damage-->tank skill order kinda works out nicely | ||
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
On January 10 2014 08:32 unjugon wrote: Hey ZERG, I am that weird GP player going on about Liandry´s. In this particular case, the Doran rings work really well to give Udyr more punch early game, and SotAG surely isn´t as good as was before. I'm just curious as to how you actually come to these conclusions, because Doran's Rings don't provide Udyr with near as good stats for gold value as Spirit Stone does, they're harder to build because it's one part instead of three small ones, they're slot inefficient, they don't build into anything, they slow down your clears when compared to Machete start, and Spirit Stone builds into a core Udyr item which also actively increases your gold generation. It's really not even a question. Doran's Ring sucks when compared to Spirit Stone. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
On January 11 2014 04:43 arb wrote: Still believe if you're going Phoenix Wits end is alot stronger imo, havent really had alot of experience with Tforce though wits isnt actually that good because you lack some sticking power by the time you can finish it | ||
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
Runes : As Red / Armor Yellow / Mr/L or Flat MR blues / MS Quints Masteries : 0/21/9 Extra movespeed and buff duration real good Skill order R>W=E>Q Feel like if i need the extra tankiness i'll go W over E but alot of times i'll zigzag the points and max both tbh. Build Machete/5 -> SS/boots -> Golem Stone/Tabi -> Randuins/SV/Frozen Fist or whatever you really need. If you need the uber peel FrozenFist is super retarded good, if you wanna just be tanky get Randi/Sv if you need to carry Triforce is really a good option too. Just cant be scared of shit and go around pimp handing everything. Pretty sold on Frozen hand being uberly good now tbh | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
I get trinity second item every game nowadays unless im real behind frozen fist isnt that great because it overlaps a lot with your bear stun, and the cd is longer than your stance switch cd, its not bad at all but its just awkward I'd always get banshee over SV now as well, if you want cdr frozen heart is really good, about as good as randuins, at least after 3k hp | ||
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On March 22 2014 21:24 Slayer91 wrote: points in E are really overrated, sometimes i don't even max it and get 5 points in Q I get trinity second item every game nowadays unless im real behind frozen fist isnt that great because it overlaps a lot with your bear stun, and the cd is longer than your stance switch cd, its not bad at all but its just awkward I'd always get banshee over SV now as well, if you want cdr frozen heart is really good, about as good as randuins, at least after 3k hp I like trinity if i'm fed, I do sometimes not max bear to be honest but i dunno. Didn't know about the fist thing though. Always been a huge fan of SV and FH but i dunno Banshees is pretty great too I guess. I think i like building tanky before Triforce though or atleast getting wardens +negatron cloak before starting depending on whos fed. I feel like if you go Triforce you basically need to max Q > E though | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
you are already tanky, so tanky that you are not maxing W which is one of the best shields in the game once you start going trinity you realize how useless you are later without out it. you simply lose too much damage stance dancing later in the game without it. Frozen fist is an okay alternative but its not the same. Frozen fist doesn't even make you that much tankier than trinity anyway you don't need to go Q>E with trinity, it just becomes more favourable because sheen proc means you can better abuse having more stances to play with and having trinity speed decreases your reliance on E speed. | ||
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On March 22 2014 23:16 Slayer91 wrote: try just getting trinity every game you are already tanky, so tanky that you are not maxing W which is one of the best shields in the game once you start going trinity you realize how useless you are later without out it. you simply lose too much damage stance dancing later in the game without it. Frozen fist is an okay alternative but its not the same. Frozen fist doesn't even make you that much tankier than trinity anyway you don't need to go Q>E with trinity, it just becomes more favourable because sheen proc means you can better abuse having more stances to play with and having trinity speed decreases your reliance on E speed. Do you just all tank after Tforce? That seems like the best route to me, having more than 1 offensive item on Udyr seems kinda bad to me. And Randuins has always been core/super good on him imo. EDIT : The extra damage you get off tiger + triforce is pretty redonk. Went golem triforce into randuins/banshees whatever i need | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On March 24 2014 00:13 Slayer91 wrote: trinity force just outshines every other item, I can't even think of another good offensive item to get, maybe botrk or lw I think bork is good toplane thats about it imo. The thing I hate most is they made Udyr in bear stance walk like he does before he took a stance, instead of running like he's yelling roar all the time :< | ||
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YouGotNothin
United States907 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
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SidianTheBard
United States2474 Posts
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YouGotNothin
United States907 Posts
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On April 19 2014 04:09 YouGotNothin wrote: It seems like you would just get cc'ed and blown up with this build before you could get any substantial life steal started. Are you going Tiger first for the BorK AD/AS scaling? Wouldn't that make your clears and thus your FF stacking slower? I haven't tried this build but it seems really risky and/or suboptimal, IMO. He actually has pretty high base hp, among the highest im pretty sure so you shouldnt be too weak, plus a spammable shield. you can easily kill the small monsters with tiger while melting the big ones. esp with all the attack speed youre getting from tiger active + the damage on the rend. maybe grab a level or two in phoenix or something. I think this would be pretty decent to be honest | ||
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GreggSauce
United States566 Posts
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