EPT[Champion] Udyr - Page 10
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Slayer91
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GreggSauce
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Slayer91
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GreggSauce
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Slayer91
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GreggSauce
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http://www.probuilds.net/champions/Udyr nearly everyone jungle goes flare. save your opinions for topics you know something about please, no need to trash talk something that is proven to be effective 100% | ||
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NpG)Explosive
France994 Posts
On June 25 2014 07:04 GreggSauce wrote: no it isn't? http://www.probuilds.net/champions/Udyr nearly everyone jungle goes flare. save your opinions for topics you know something about please, no need to trash talk something that is proven to be effective 100% Saying that to a guy who reached EUW top 20 by spamming Udyr takes a lot of courage. | ||
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On June 25 2014 08:08 NpG)Explosive wrote: Saying that to a guy who reached EUW top 20 by spamming Udyr takes a lot of courage. Not a huge fan of the AFK farm jungle style of Udyr either tbh. Much rather build tanky and roam around and gank(also the less i see : "LOL TRICK2G WANNABE FAGGOT" the better) | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On June 25 2014 07:04 GreggSauce wrote: no it isn't? http://www.probuilds.net/champions/Udyr nearly everyone jungle goes flare. save your opinions for topics you know something about please, no need to trash talk something that is proven to be effective 100% Slayer is the resident Udyr expert, you goddamned newb. | ||
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GreggSauce
United States566 Posts
flawed argument is flawed. | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
On June 25 2014 11:55 GreggSauce wrote: so? he's still not better than the best players. flawed argument is flawed. On June 25 2014 08:08 NpG)Explosive wrote: Saying that to a guy who reached EUW top 20 by spamming Udyr takes a lot of courage. Define best. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
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just a psa to you udyrs who play that style also i rush golem and boots. just my style though. I think udyr is much more useful for your team as a tank | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
On June 25 2014 11:55 GreggSauce wrote: so? he's still not better than the best players. flawed argument is flawed. no good players play udyr anymore im sure you can be reassured that the LCS NA player ADC PLAYER from CURSE GAMING goes feral flare in solo queue though. only one jungler in that list and he played one game, took ghost and also fed. the only two junglers on the "most successful players list" both build ancient golem and out of those only saint vicious actually plays him consistently its also worth noting that although feral flare is certainly suboptimal its a gamble that can pay off while madreds itself is just god awful and is just a stepping stone to tap into that sweet sweet feral flare magic damage on hit. also all of these guys go feral flare trinity force which is pretty much never going to work in any game that matters because its too squishy, back when diamondprox still played him he wasnt even getting any offensive items which although i dont agree with i can defnitely see the reasoning. as for so called "afk jungle farm style", I would suggest that this rather be called "bad jungling" since you're supposed to farm a lot anyway on pretty much everyone and missing good opportunities to gank is just not playing well. I mean udyr is defnitely at peak early and midgame and although his lategame isn't exactly "weak" it's definitely not strong and theres no chance you're going to carry consistently with a team thats behind because it's too easy to focus you if you're the only real threat especially this patch with ADCs going back to rushing IE. edit: shookl2 also went tiger stance udyr in the game he went feral flare, which although is more reasonable tiger stance udyr is just bad because it farms slowly and theres plenty of other physical damage junglers who farm fast and are more useful later (or used to be, maybe just wukong and yi are better at it now) he also took levels in pheonix stance at level 5 and 10 and a rank 2 pheonix stance does absolutely dick past 4 minutes in the game he was probably drunk high and getting fucked by gay sailors when he was playing that game | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
On June 25 2014 19:14 Slayer91 wrote: he was probably drunk high and getting fucked by gay sailors when he was playing that game unfortunately you have so excuse for holding such opinions | ||
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saltywet
Hong Kong1316 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
You sort of want max bear stance and some cdr to play that style, for teamfights you want to have Q W and R maxed and cdr is a bit less important | ||
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SagaZ
France3460 Posts
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saltywet
Hong Kong1316 Posts
On September 05 2014 17:53 Slayer91 wrote: you can definitely teamfight with udyr it just takes a lot of finesse and practice it's a lot easier to just run around in some other lane being annoying I'm not sure if its the best way to play, though it probably is if you're behind. You sort of want max bear stance and some cdr to play that style, for teamfights you want to have Q W and R maxed and cdr is a bit less important what are the pros of maxing Q? what's the best skill order and item build for jungle udyr at the moment? i've been going R>E>W or R>W>E, going madred's>spirit stone (for dragon), FF, frozen heart first item and then a lot of MS items like zephyr, swiftness boots, triforce last. i alternate between botrk/banshees veil depending if i need to spellblock tank or do damage I feel that with my build even if i kill baron and use red potion I have less than 200 atk, a bit more if i get botrk, so Q does not do that much damage. I feel like Q is only good for rushing towers and rank 3 is enough since the 15% damage is flat and the bonus AS is not that much out of all 4 stances, I feel that W is probably the weakest in lategame fighting as it gives only a 100 damage block shield but i've been maxing it early for early tankiness | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On September 06 2014 13:22 saltywet wrote: what are the pros of maxing Q? what's the best skill order and item build for jungle udyr at the moment? i've been going R>E>W or R>W>E, going madred's>spirit stone (for dragon), FF, frozen heart first item and then a lot of MS items like zephyr, swiftness boots, triforce last. i alternate between botrk/banshees veil depending if i need to spellblock tank or do damage I feel that with my build even if i kill baron and use red potion I have less than 200 atk, a bit more if i get botrk, so Q does not do that much damage. I feel like Q is only good for rushing towers and rank 3 is enough since the 15% damage is flat and the bonus AS is not that much out of all 4 stances, I feel that W is probably the weakest in lategame fighting as it gives only a 100 damage block shield but i've been maxing it early for early tankiness How do you figure a 4s cd shield for 100 is bad? 20s fight and you get 500 raw hp from shields... free warmogs is far from bad. Maxing Q gives you a ton more damage if you built a damage item. If you have trinity force for example Q will do like ten times the dps of R. I think you should build tankier, better for any game scenario where your team isn't wicked behind just cuz. I dunno, trade your lantern for golem and you can actually kill things and dive things. RWER, unless no ganks available level 3 then get E at 4. R>W>Q>E, Get points in E when you finish your damage item. More old-school style of jungles; snowball lanes, get much farm as can, team > random splitpush bs. I think you'd do more damage in fights by being tankier as well. Unless you do nothing for twenty seconds so all the long cd lock down and burst is used while your team dies 4v5 you're better served to be able to position, peel, and do good things with more survivability. I'd be going like golem > swifties > wardens / mr hood whichever necessary > trinity > tanky as fuck. That being said, I'm no Udyr player, so I could be totally wrong. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
On September 06 2014 13:22 saltywet wrote: what are the pros of maxing Q? what's the best skill order and item build for jungle udyr at the moment? i've been going R>E>W or R>W>E, going madred's>spirit stone (for dragon), FF, frozen heart first item and then a lot of MS items like zephyr, swiftness boots, triforce last. i alternate between botrk/banshees veil depending if i need to spellblock tank or do damage I feel that with my build even if i kill baron and use red potion I have less than 200 atk, a bit more if i get botrk, so Q does not do that much damage. I feel like Q is only good for rushing towers and rank 3 is enough since the 15% damage is flat and the bonus AS is not that much out of all 4 stances, I feel that W is probably the weakest in lategame fighting as it gives only a 100 damage block shield but i've been maxing it early for early tankiness you go Q after R and W are maxed, its points in E vs points in Q. Normally you get lots of speed from items anyway so you don't need that bear duration that much anyway, Q is quite a bit more damage especially if you have trouble training targets for the full 3 hits. W is a 220 shield and you can use it before you run into a fight as well as in the poking stage and when you're trying to run or cleaning up or something, you're likely to get well over a warmogs of hp in any fight that isn't decided by someone getting caught or some such. It's not that Q out damages R, I mean most people have more armour than magic resist so the extra damage isn't that much, it's more that most of your damage from Q comes from the first hit and attack speed buff, and most of the damage from R comes from the AoE damage and the first 200 on hit. After that your best bet is to use other stances for mobility/tankiness and then wait for cds, sometimes you stay in R for another 200 bonus damage. You can try to get 5 auto hits with bear+r proc+2 hits+r proc or you can go bear tiger pheonix turtle bear tiger and get way more damage and more everything as well as better ability to react to what happens and better use of sheen procs. free attack speed on tiger is nice for trying to land the full 2 pheonix procs as well. With E+trinity proc and thne Q and then R+trniity proc you're bursting for a very high amount you can do that every few seconds as long as you've got the hp to get away with it. | ||
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