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I saw that post when you wrote and I thought it was wrong back then too.
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I don't think soraka is a weak champion but the strengths people see are so weird
"best champ to harass their jungler with q+auto" literally the worst champ to harass someone in their jungle
"q so good harass spell" not bad but still a pretty bad harass
"so good to harass with autos go split pen" basically the worst support in the game to try to auto harass with
like lol you just sit back and heal 150 for 40 hp cost every 2 seconds and nobody can do anything doing anything else except Qing to get health back is just adding risk.
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On September 01 2015 02:57 Slayer91 wrote:
I don't think soraka is a weak champion but the strengths people see are so weird
"best champ to harass their jungler with q+auto" literally the worst champ to harass someone in their jungle
"q so good harass spell" not bad but still a pretty bad harass
"so good to harass with autos go split pen" basically the worst support in the game to try to auto harass with
like lol you just sit back and heal 150 for 40 hp cost every 2 seconds and nobody can do anything doing anything else except Qing to get health back is just adding risk.
It's a 970 range skillshot with a roughly 550 diameter AOE. Q is no risk high reward. Also, if you land your Q in the middle of someone doing a camp it'll do 105 damage rank 1. That's pretty high.
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It's quite a high mana cost for the damage it does, considering it shows the enemy where its gonna hit most people will at least get out of the centre
you can hook someone out of a camp with blitz or something, and soraka is one of the easiest champ to catch in a jungle, he's gonna step out of the aoe so it's gona do like 50 damage after magic resist which doesn't matter at all and if its warded you could be dead.
if you miss a few q's you can't do much more because you have to save mana for W and E if shit goes bad.
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When my lane partners will actually pressure the enemy I'll think about hanging back and just healing, because if I don't apply pressure myself we're doing to end up under tower with the guy missing some of the cs I prep' and eating harass like he's just out of hunger strike.
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On September 01 2015 03:08 Slayer91 wrote:
It's quite a high mana cost for the damage it does, considering it shows the enemy where its gonna hit most people will at least get out of the centre
you can hook someone out of a camp with blitz or something, and soraka is one of the easiest champ to catch in a jungle, he's gonna step out of the aoe so it's gona do like 50 damage after magic resist which doesn't matter at all and if its warded you could be dead.
if you miss a few q's you can't do much more because you have to save mana for W and E if shit goes bad.
Yeah, it really depends on how far away Soraka is to the jungler. It's hard to miss a Q when you're close up, also the jungler might not expect it coming if you're in the FOW. I agree Blitz is better at screwing with the jungler. Using Q to harass isn't that big of a deal if you only harass when they go to last hit. If you're just spamming it off of CD then there's a problem. She has among the highest base mana pools and base mana regens in the game though. So if you use it properly and only harass them when they go to last hit you won't have problems.
If I were to change my guide at all, I'd change it to only putting three points in Q early. Once they get a BF sword/more attacks speed it becomes a lot tougher to land because they have a larger window to last hit. I guess this has nothing to do with runes though. Anyway, this was kind of a weird divergence from rune selection.
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On September 01 2015 08:55 krndandaman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2015 04:06 Alaric wrote:
When my lane partners will actually pressure the enemy I'll think about hanging back and just healing, because if I don't apply pressure myself we're doing to end up under tower with the guy missing some of the cs I prep' and eating harass like he's just out of hunger strike. If you're playing in a suboptimal way because your ADC's are trash, you're probably just better off playing a support that's less reliant on the ADC. Makes me face palm whenever I see Jannas/Sorakas move forward to harass and then get rekt by any competent botlane. I mean sure it works if your opponents are really bad though. When I play against like silvers with janna I'm pretty much able to singlehandedly auto them out of the lane. But then again I'd prob wreck them harder with something like annie/zyra/sona cause that means they have no idea how to position/punish.
Disagree about the Janna there. I absolutely dumpster most bot lanes by playing aggressive with her in low diamond. Definitely agree about the raka though, it sounds alright but in practice it doesn't play very well.
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On September 01 2015 11:37 krndandaman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2015 10:58 Ethelis wrote:On September 01 2015 08:55 krndandaman wrote:On September 01 2015 04:06 Alaric wrote:
When my lane partners will actually pressure the enemy I'll think about hanging back and just healing, because if I don't apply pressure myself we're doing to end up under tower with the guy missing some of the cs I prep' and eating harass like he's just out of hunger strike. If you're playing in a suboptimal way because your ADC's are trash, you're probably just better off playing a support that's less reliant on the ADC. Makes me face palm whenever I see Jannas/Sorakas move forward to harass and then get rekt by any competent botlane. I mean sure it works if your opponents are really bad though. When I play against like silvers with janna I'm pretty much able to singlehandedly auto them out of the lane. But then again I'd prob wreck them harder with something like annie/zyra/sona cause that means they have no idea how to position/punish. Disagree about the Janna there. I absolutely dumpster most bot lanes by playing aggressive with her in low diamond. Definitely agree about the raka though, it sounds alright but in practice it doesn't play very well. Probably shouldn't unless it's a low threat melee. What matchups do you play like that into? Pretty much 80% of matchups you barely get to auto unless CD's are clearly down. Janna's my most played and played her to mid-high diamond this season (d2/d1). This is also a common mistake I correct for many students I have from coaching and all of them (those who play Janna) had drastic improvements (talking 60-80% winrate climb to a 3division-full tier difference). It's literally what I did to go from d5 to d2. I learned that there's no fucking point to trying to auto kids in lane and risk getting outtraded/all-in'd when I can just sit back and shield trade/disengage and then be more useful come teamfights/roams (mostly warding). Especially when you start coin 99% of the time in soloq. Of course this doesn't mean herp derp don't take free opportunities to autos when there's literally 0 threat, but my point is if there's even a miniscule threat (flash engage, jungler gank, tp gank, outtrade, etc. which is pretty much nearly all times in most matchups) don't even bother. You're your adc's lifeline and you scale very well as a support. Janna is an amazing soloq champion because she is such LOW risk but high reward. With someone like Janna/Soraka, you're better off erring on the side of caution.
If my ADC is useless i just E myself and auto (all hail Zero) every melee support (gets scary vs a competent Blitz). With ranged supports its a little trickier. The case where i definitely don't try it is vs stuff like a Draven+ranged support. Oftentimes bot lanes are pretty bad so i'm trading with only one of them in a worst case scenario. Of course I mostly do that if my shield can't get popped. If my ADC is alright I do play more passive and just let him trade when its better.
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Does dragon grant global experience/gold at all anymore? I'm having trouble finding specifically how much experience it grants to my team...
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gold just the 25g for killing it
experience is harder to give ez answer, but it's not global anyway, it's local. and theres a bunch of stuff like it's more if your teams av lvl is lower, more to the lowest lvl champ in exp range, shit like that
fwiw a quick google tells me the base XP is "75-300"
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this was probably answered on the last page but my reading comprehensions not great and it conrfused me. Is there a good rune page or two for ad carries in general that works for most of them?
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as quints ad marks armour yellers mr/lvl blues?
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Everything except blues is that. On blues you can run pretty much w/e the fuck you want. It varies between pros/champs with any of the flat mr/scaling mr/mreg/atk speed. Sneaky for example has 3 flat mr/2 mreg/4 atk speed which basically makes no sense lol. scaling mr is the rarest of them all probably
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i still have one crit chance mark the rest ad. is that stupid now?
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If you like being a massive phage it's fine. In all seriousness some people still run it so opinions haven't really changed afaik.
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It honestly doesn't matter lol
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