EPT[Champion] Ryze - Page 2
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
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h3r1n6
Iceland2039 Posts
I added Alex Ich masteries and some other stuff based on Lmuis suggestions | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On August 20 2012 21:06 h3r1n6 wrote: I don't know. I played that match-up twice from the Diana side and it was a total stomp. Diana shoves so hard and can actually jump and chunk Ryze from level 6 on until Ryze is really tanky every time she pleases. My opponents weren't very good though. I added Alex Ich masteries and some other stuff based on Lmuis suggestions Diana can try to jump on Ryze, but she will be chunked really hard. At the same time, Ryze got spellvamp to sustain him and heal up the damage she caused. The only thing Diana can do against Ryze is to shove the lane. But this puts her extremely vulnerable to ganks and after Ryze is 6-7 Ryze can happily and easily last hit at the tower. | ||
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h3r1n6
Iceland2039 Posts
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On August 20 2012 23:27 h3r1n6 wrote: When Diana takes like 2/3 of Ryzes health at level 6 with QW and 2R, while having a shield herself, Ryze is not gonna spellvamp that back that easily and Diana will win that exchange. Dunno, I just never had problems stomping any lane with Diana and I currently play her every chance I get. If ryze gets Q'd for free and diana ISN'T snared so she can't jump while ryze backs off, I don't see how ryze is going to win an exchange. But ultimately, Ryze can poke guaranteed, whereas diana needs to land a skillshot. Seems like an aggressive Ryze can auto/Q harass Diana while taking very little in return if he's good at dodging. If you're just both allin-ing off full health, of couse ryze is going to lose. Ryze isn't supposed to let Diana allin off full health, and snare will slow diana's combo/escape allowing for easy intervention from allies. It's the same reason Ryze is a good pick against Ahri. Ryze is very scary to dive onto. | ||
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zodde
Sweden1908 Posts
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On August 24 2012 14:10 zodde wrote: Anyone got some pointers for Ryze v Morde? I'd imagine try to last hit under the tower as best you can, since he's going to shove like a mother fucker. Ask for jungleganks since he'll probably be over extending, and also ward your wraiths. Since mordekaiser can farm anywhere on the map with his grunting noises | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On August 24 2012 15:03 arb wrote: I'd imagine try to last hit under the tower as best you can, since he's going to shove like a mother fucker. Ask for jungleganks since he'll probably be over extending, and also ward your wraiths. Since mordekaiser can farm anywhere on the map with his grunting noises I'd say W+Jungle = Kill For most of the earlygame. | ||
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R04R
United States1631 Posts
go aggressive from level 1. Trade lots of autos especially when his skills are on cooldown. You can Q occasionally but you don't want to burn too much of your mana pool if you don't think you can kill him. If you ding 2 before him he's pretty much a free kill if you've been harassing well. If he's been spamming E on the creep wave to try and get an advantage through levels just focus on farming under tower and call for a gank. Morde trying to farm past river is a dead morde. If your jungler isn't in position to gank for you pretend like he is anyway. Morde is just way too vulnerable early on to really risk it. By levels 3 and 4 he's still not very scary and your combo should be able to get through his shield. Continue to zone or harass him but if you notice he's trying to be aggressive while he's behind there must be a gank coming. Don't fall for the bait. His shield and ult can be deceptively strong when he all ins. Just back off if you need to. | ||
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h3r1n6
Iceland2039 Posts
I also got to play Ryze vs Diana from the Ryze side and it seems Ryze can do very well in that match-up and can punish her pretty well early on with auto+q harass. Diana will be able to farm very safely after a while (I guess her Q nerf will reduce that a bit) and I could not go too aggressive past level 7 or so most of the time since their top lane was roaming and our jungler was behind. | ||
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zodde
Sweden1908 Posts
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h3r1n6
Iceland2039 Posts
On August 25 2012 00:56 zodde wrote: Thanks for the help guys :3 Guess i have to be more aggresive early on then. I also didn't get much help from the jungle at all, but I don't really count on that in solo Q ^^ Well, just tell your junglers that ganking mid will be easy kills with your snare+whatever the jungler has. Not every jungler is familiar with mid match-ups. Communicating that early is key instead of crying at 15 minutes omg noob jungler no ganks. | ||
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zodde
Sweden1908 Posts
On August 25 2012 01:26 h3r1n6 wrote: Well, just tell your junglers that ganking mid will be easy kills with your snare+whatever the jungler has. Not every jungler is familiar with mid match-ups. Communicating that early is key instead of crying at 15 minutes omg noob jungler no ganks. Yeah I know he's an easy gank, and I told my jungler last game, but he seemed to have more important things to do. It's LoL solo Q, people don't always do what you expect them to  | ||
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Craton
United States17281 Posts
Typically goes something like this: "Mid no summoners" Jungle backs after first clear "Top warded <ping>" Jungler goes through wraiths, doesn't clear them, walks toward top through the pinged ward and skipping mid altogether, gets seen by top, walks back through river toward mid, gets seen by ward again, goes and clears wraiths and golems then backs again. Jungler still level 5 at 10 minutes. Ryze is probably top 3-5 easiest lanes to gank for, too. You should be able to zone Morde just by standing between him and the creeps once you get up a few levels and can spare the mana. You just have to diligently ward. There isn't a whole lot you can do early unassisted because of your mana costs. | ||
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zodde
Sweden1908 Posts
On August 25 2012 07:36 Craton wrote: Oh, solo queue. Typically goes something like this: "Mid no summoners" Jungle backs after first clear "Top warded <ping>" Jungler goes through wraiths, doesn't clear them, walks toward top through the pinged ward and skipping mid altogether, gets seen by top, walks back through river toward mid, gets seen by ward again, goes and clears wraiths and golems then backs again. Jungler still level 5 at 10 minutes. Ryze is probably top 3-5 easiest lanes to gank for, too. You should be able to zone Morde just by standing between him and the creeps once you get up a few levels and can spare the mana. You just have to diligently ward. There isn't a whole lot you can do early unassisted because of your mana costs. Tell me about it. I had a RL friend who used to jungle in our games, but he quit the game to focus more on RL shit or something (bad decision if you ask me :D). I think I have some old phobia for Morde since my first games when he got pentas every game (prenerf morde a year ago) so I'm still playing like a pussy against him whatever I play. I need a good therapy session against Mordephobia :/ | ||
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Craton
United States17281 Posts
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zodde
Sweden1908 Posts
I should probably buy morde and grind some games? | ||
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Craton
United States17281 Posts
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zodde
Sweden1908 Posts
On August 25 2012 11:18 Craton wrote: If you're having problems against a champ, you should always play that champ. So true. Should be stickied above every single thread in this sub-forum ^^ | ||
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h3r1n6
Iceland2039 Posts
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