EPTOn April 25 2014 04:22 GrandInquisitor wrote:
I could see Aatrox just dumpstering Ryze six ways to Sunday.
I could see Aatrox just dumpstering Ryze six ways to Sunday.
have you done it or is this just theorycraft?
[Champion] Ryze - Page 14
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jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
have you done it or is this just theorycraft? | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On April 25 2014 09:03 jaybrundage wrote: have you done it or is this just theorycraft? it was the go to counter pick in the EU lcs and did quite well up until Aatrox was disabled due to the w bug | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On April 25 2014 07:26 imBLIND wrote: What are u smoking. Ryze QWEQ range is larger than Kennen's auto range. If Kennen E's in, he get's W'd and and ryze just runs from him. Unless you max Q, hit every single Q, and get your jungler to camp the ryze, this isn't a winning matchup. Except Kennen's autos outrange all of Ryze's spells...? Have you played this match up before? | ||
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imBLIND
United States2626 Posts
On April 25 2014 10:01 GolemMadness wrote: Except Kennen's autos outrange all of Ryze's spells...? Have you played this match up before? Range of Champions Kennen AA range is 550. Ctrl+F kennen if you don't believe me. So is Ryze's btw. Range of Ryze's Spells All at least 600. Have you played this game before? | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On April 25 2014 11:05 imBLIND wrote: Range of Champions Kennen AA range is 550. Ctrl+F kennen if you don't believe me. So is Ryze's btw. Range of Ryze's Spells All at least 600. Have you played this game before? Yes, enough to know that auto attack ranges aren't the same as spell ranges. In general, auto attack ranges are around 100 more than spell ranges. | ||
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Tooplark
United States3977 Posts
On April 25 2014 11:05 imBLIND wrote: Range of Champions Kennen AA range is 550. Ctrl+F kennen if you don't believe me. So is Ryze's btw. Range of Ryze's Spells All at least 600. Have you played this game before? On the page that you linked, Range of Champions: "Note that autoattack range is measured differently to ability range. Given a source unit's hitbox and a target unit's hitbox, range is calculated as follows: autoattack range from edge to edge; targeted skill range from center to center; skillshot range from edge to edge; and the range of self-centered area of effects are from the edge of the source (the larger champions don't benefit less from auras than smaller champions). The difference is approximately 100 (i.e. 550 autoattack range is roughly 650 casting range)" | ||
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imBLIND
United States2626 Posts
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On April 25 2014 16:32 imBLIND wrote: Okay. You win the range argument. I still think kennen sucks dick against ryze. I've never lost to one unless I get massively camped. Good Kennens, well even pretty shitty Kennens can abuse almost any top that doesnt have the same range as him. Ive played Ryze vs Ken and it actually seemed really brutal for ryze tbh. he can shove you under tower and Q + W proc you all day, and anytime your jungle wants to come in he just peaces out | ||
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M2
Bulgaria4134 Posts
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On April 25 2014 19:49 M2 wrote: kennen overall is pretty hard to duel with while aslo pretty strong in team fights while also kind of resource-less, I have no idea why is he so rarely picked.. apparently the range nerf gutted him and made him completely unplayable /sarcasm | ||
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Lightswarm
Canada967 Posts
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On April 25 2014 22:29 Lightswarm wrote: why not just force a laneswap to cripple ryze's seraph timing? Seraph's timing is generally not a limiting factor. RoA timing is by far the bigger issue. The tear is going to stack slowly regardess. | ||
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Lightswarm
Canada967 Posts
On April 26 2014 03:57 Amui wrote: Seraph's timing is generally not a limiting factor. RoA timing is by far the bigger issue. The tear is going to stack slowly regardess. ur still denying alot of ryze's cs if u throw a 2v1 on him. getting jungler to shove his lane at lvl 3-4 just further cripples how safely he can cs into the 2nd drag spawn timing | ||
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loSleb
Austria1389 Posts
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
On April 27 2014 01:40 loSleb wrote: So what kind of masteries do you run on him? I have seen everything and tried tons of things and I still have no idea. I really like 5/10/15 or 5/14/11. You can play around with it but the keys are Juggernaut, Expose Weakness, Oppression, Strength of Spirit, Vampirism, and Expanded Mind. | ||
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
On April 28 2014 22:45 GrandInquisitor wrote: I really like 5/10/15 or 5/14/11. You can play around with it but the keys are Juggernaut, Expose Weakness, Oppression, Strength of Spirit, Vampirism, and Expanded Mind. Curious, why don't you run 9/0/21 or 0/9/21? Biscuit and 5-10% cdr seems pretty big, as otherwise you'd have to get 40% from runes or blue pot. But yeah Ryze seems pretty strong top at the moment. Guys who outrange him are a problem but those are rare in the top lane (Jayce seems to be the only common one). And I've always considered him one of the only strong plays into Renekton because you Q/auto him every time he's in range, and as long as you avoid the E->empowered W+Q -> dice away then you should hurt him pretty badly. That said the lane seems very dangerous for you when you only have a tear and he's bought a Negatron/Cowl or pieces of a Tiamat. | ||
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
More to the point, there's just nothing that far south in the utility tree that Ryze wants other than the CDR. Meanwhile, I like getting to 5 and 10 in Offense and Defense because those masteries are especially efficient on Ryze. He makes maximum use of Expose Weakness; and once he gets Frozen Heart, Oppression is basically a 3% damage reduction mastery. That's why I don't really want to put 21 into Utility; it's just not especially good compared to getting the 5% CDR from glyphs and putting points into more useful masteries instead. | ||
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walrus
Vietnam68 Posts
On April 25 2014 04:22 GrandInquisitor wrote: I could see Aatrox just dumpstering Ryze six ways to Sunday. Yes that's right. Wingsofdeathx has proved it: + Show Spoiler + | ||
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
On April 25 2014 16:32 imBLIND wrote: Okay. You win the range argument. I still think kennen sucks dick against ryze. I've never lost to one unless I get massively camped. I've beaten Ryzes as Kennen. I've generally thought to myself "man, that Ryze sucked" afterwards though. | ||
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Jek
Denmark2771 Posts
On May 08 2014 17:58 walrus wrote: Yes that's right. Wingsofdeathx has proved it: + Show Spoiler + https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdYDwv-b9zg To be fair Wings usually stomp his opponent in top.  But I can see Aatrox being very strong vs Ryze: great sustain, gapcloser, high damage with few items and Spirit Visage is a core on him anyway. | ||
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