EPT[Champion] Ryze - Page 12
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serum321
United States606 Posts
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On September 27 2013 09:57 nath wrote: i feel like ryze is still fine mid, hes not as good as the top tier mid lanes...but the KDA doesn't matter if he farms and doesnt feed too much...hes gonna die a few times but still have an insane late game provided hes still farming and not dying more than 2-3 times...dont understand why hes so terrible just because of range nerfs...he can't trade but he can farm. if you're game pan involves "dying a few times" you need to revist/change your game plan or play a different champion. "dying a few times" may be ok in low elos or against champs/players that don't capitalize on their advantage or snowball well, but in general dying in lane is quite bad. If you can't trade in lane you're gonna have a hard time farming if the other guy knows how to freeze their lane. On top of that, a lot of popular champs can harass you pretty hard under your tower. | ||
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nath
United States1788 Posts
On September 28 2013 06:18 Ryuu314 wrote: if you're game pan involves "dying a few times" you need to revist/change your game plan or play a different champion. "dying a few times" may be ok in low elos or against champs/players that don't capitalize on their advantage or snowball well, but in general dying in lane is quite bad. If you can't trade in lane you're gonna have a hard time farming if the other guy knows how to freeze their lane. On top of that, a lot of popular champs can harass you pretty hard under your tower. didn't know dade was a low ELO player (or maybe he is... :D) in one of his games he still had an impact lategame after going 0-3 in lane...it really wasnt as bad as everyone was saying. the other ryze game was much worse if i recall. there are many champs where its ok to fall behind (kassadin going 0-2 in lane isn't terrible, for instance) | ||
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Sakray
France2198 Posts
On September 28 2013 07:06 nath wrote: in one of his games he still had an impact lategame after going 0-3 in lane Lategame, now you know why :3 | ||
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serum321
United States606 Posts
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
In solo q this problem can be exacerbated since you can't rely on your team to create space for you to farm. In lower elos where teams just bumble around not knowing what to do this can work, but this becomes less effective the higher up you go. This also doesn't work if your opposing laner chooses not to roam and just constantly pushes your face in. | ||
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imBLIND
United States2626 Posts
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On October 02 2013 03:36 imBLIND wrote: Very interested in the upcoming ryze changes. The mspeed buffs and AA animation change will make him into a shorter ranged annie in the laning phase. His roaming might be improved enough to warrant getting mobies "shorter ranged annie" is kind of a contradiction. Annie's autoattack animation isn't very good - there's a pretty long windup time. The only reason why her auto harass is strong is because she has the second highest base range in the game. Honestly, Ryze is still gonna suck. 5 movespeed is not going to make up for 50 range. His roaming, teamfighting, and lategame potential is not his problem right now. It's the fact that he can't trade in lane with the popular assassins, which is a huge liability since he's also inherently very squishy. Honestly, I'd rather have the 50 range back even if it means Ryze gets 300 base movespeed. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
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sung_moon
United States10110 Posts
These changes definitely make laning a loooooooooot harder imo, but fuck is he funner to play now. | ||
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Anakko
France1934 Posts
.... Don't do it vs J4 tho | ||
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sung_moon
United States10110 Posts
Any reason to run any other AP item besides RoA/Seraphs/Void/Abbysal or any other defensive item besides SV/FH? Trying to think of any other logical item that can be built on Ryze. | ||
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koreasilver
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sung_moon
United States10110 Posts
On November 21 2013 05:35 koreasilver wrote: Maybe revolver? Spellvamp is really strong on Ryze because of his low cooldowns and primarily single target spells, and it works well with him building a lot of resists. Yea I was thinking maybe Ancient Lizard in a splitpush TP Ryze build. Can't remember the last time I saw a WoTA built, so I'm not even sure if its worth it to go WoTA even with a triple AP comp or something. A little early, but what are people thinking S4 masteries on this guy will end up looking like? So far I'm thinking 10/0/20 or 0/11/19 or something like that. Been exclusively playing this guy the past few days. Will probably be one of my "go to" mains come S4 soloq probably. | ||
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-Zoda-
France3578 Posts
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koreasilver
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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-Zoda-
France3578 Posts
I didn't feel this fast with ult on though, still kinda hard to catch people with W sometimes  | ||
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Duvon
Sweden2360 Posts
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sung_moon
United States10110 Posts
I can see some people go 9 Offense as well, as Feast may seem pretty decent on Ryze. | ||
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