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serum321
Profile Joined January 2012
United States606 Posts
September 27 2013 19:44 GMT
#221
I haven't played lol in a few weeks due to bad luck, but I went something like 15-5 during placements and subsequent matches playing mostly top ryze. I'd normally start mana crystal / 2 health pots. Then build tear/roa/regular boots. Then build continue building tanky (roa already gives a good bit of tankiness as is) but I'd build glacial shroud and spirit visage before finishing sorc shoes and archangel's staff. Once you have roa, glacial shroud, and spirit visage you are an unstoppable force if ahead and still an excellent tank for your team if you are behind.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
September 27 2013 21:18 GMT
#222
On September 27 2013 09:57 nath wrote:
i feel like ryze is still fine mid, hes not as good as the top tier mid lanes...but the KDA doesn't matter if he farms and doesnt feed too much...hes gonna die a few times but still have an insane late game provided hes still farming and not dying more than 2-3 times...dont understand why hes so terrible just because of range nerfs...he can't trade but he can farm.

if you're game pan involves "dying a few times" you need to revist/change your game plan or play a different champion. "dying a few times" may be ok in low elos or against champs/players that don't capitalize on their advantage or snowball well, but in general dying in lane is quite bad.

If you can't trade in lane you're gonna have a hard time farming if the other guy knows how to freeze their lane. On top of that, a lot of popular champs can harass you pretty hard under your tower.
nath
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1788 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-27 22:07:40
September 27 2013 22:06 GMT
#223
On September 28 2013 06:18 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2013 09:57 nath wrote:
i feel like ryze is still fine mid, hes not as good as the top tier mid lanes...but the KDA doesn't matter if he farms and doesnt feed too much...hes gonna die a few times but still have an insane late game provided hes still farming and not dying more than 2-3 times...dont understand why hes so terrible just because of range nerfs...he can't trade but he can farm.

if you're game pan involves "dying a few times" you need to revist/change your game plan or play a different champion. "dying a few times" may be ok in low elos or against champs/players that don't capitalize on their advantage or snowball well, but in general dying in lane is quite bad.

If you can't trade in lane you're gonna have a hard time farming if the other guy knows how to freeze their lane. On top of that, a lot of popular champs can harass you pretty hard under your tower.

didn't know dade was a low ELO player (or maybe he is... :D)
in one of his games he still had an impact lategame after going 0-3 in lane...it really wasnt as bad as everyone was saying. the other ryze game was much worse if i recall.

there are many champs where its ok to fall behind (kassadin going 0-2 in lane isn't terrible, for instance)
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Sakray
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
France2198 Posts
September 27 2013 22:40 GMT
#224
On September 28 2013 07:06 nath wrote:
in one of his games he still had an impact lategame after going 0-3 in lane


Lategame, now you know why :3
serum321
Profile Joined January 2012
United States606 Posts
October 01 2013 15:38 GMT
#225
Doesn't even have to be late, late game. I've gone 0-3 in laning phase, had teammates bitch at me, and then apologize at the end of the game. I had a rough laning phase against a jax once, but just continued to farm while he roamed for a bit, hence the teammates bitching, but then first group fight 3 of them dumped on me first and between my defensive gear and spell vamp survived trading 0 for 3 sometime between 20-25 minutes.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-01 17:45:31
October 01 2013 17:44 GMT
#226
This only works if the enemy team gives you space to farm and get back in the game. Dade was able to do that once at Worlds because Vulcun didn't know how to close the game out and Dade's team was good at creating space for him to farm. He was completely useless as Ryze in every other game he played him during Worlds.

In solo q this problem can be exacerbated since you can't rely on your team to create space for you to farm. In lower elos where teams just bumble around not knowing what to do this can work, but this becomes less effective the higher up you go. This also doesn't work if your opposing laner chooses not to roam and just constantly pushes your face in.
imBLIND
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2626 Posts
October 01 2013 18:36 GMT
#227
Very interested in the upcoming ryze changes. The mspeed buffs and AA animation change will make him into a shorter ranged annie in the laning phase. His roaming might be improved enough to warrant getting mobies
im deaf
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
October 01 2013 21:40 GMT
#228
On October 02 2013 03:36 imBLIND wrote:
Very interested in the upcoming ryze changes. The mspeed buffs and AA animation change will make him into a shorter ranged annie in the laning phase. His roaming might be improved enough to warrant getting mobies

"shorter ranged annie" is kind of a contradiction. Annie's autoattack animation isn't very good - there's a pretty long windup time. The only reason why her auto harass is strong is because she has the second highest base range in the game.

Honestly, Ryze is still gonna suck. 5 movespeed is not going to make up for 50 range. His roaming, teamfighting, and lategame potential is not his problem right now. It's the fact that he can't trade in lane with the popular assassins, which is a huge liability since he's also inherently very squishy. Honestly, I'd rather have the 50 range back even if it means Ryze gets 300 base movespeed.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
November 09 2013 00:52 GMT
#229
Reporting in, Ryze is still pretty fucking good.
It's your boy Guzma!
sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-20 19:03:15
November 20 2013 06:00 GMT
#230
Should of posted this here, but playing Ryze now with MS quints literally feels like you're playing a Vayne/ulted Quinn with Bloodboil on.

These changes definitely make laning a loooooooooot harder imo, but fuck is he funner to play now.
Forever Young
Anakko
Profile Joined August 2012
France1934 Posts
November 20 2013 07:41 GMT
#231
Try running Ryze top with ghost. Hilarity ensues.

....

Don't do it vs J4 tho
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sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
November 20 2013 19:03 GMT
#232
I've run either Flash/TP or Flash/Ghost just to compare and contrast the two (finding the former better but Ghost Ryze is the lols).

Any reason to run any other AP item besides RoA/Seraphs/Void/Abbysal or any other defensive item besides SV/FH? Trying to think of any other logical item that can be built on Ryze.
Forever Young
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
November 20 2013 20:35 GMT
#233
Maybe revolver? Spellvamp is really strong on Ryze because of his low cooldowns and primarily single target spells, and it works well with him building a lot of resists.
sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-21 05:50:15
November 21 2013 05:49 GMT
#234
On November 21 2013 05:35 koreasilver wrote:
Maybe revolver? Spellvamp is really strong on Ryze because of his low cooldowns and primarily single target spells, and it works well with him building a lot of resists.


Yea I was thinking maybe Ancient Lizard in a splitpush TP Ryze build. Can't remember the last time I saw a WoTA built, so I'm not even sure if its worth it to go WoTA even with a triple AP comp or something.

A little early, but what are people thinking S4 masteries on this guy will end up looking like? So far I'm thinking 10/0/20 or 0/11/19 or something like that.

Been exclusively playing this guy the past few days. Will probably be one of my "go to" mains come S4 soloq probably.
Forever Young
-Zoda-
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
France3578 Posts
November 21 2013 08:42 GMT
#235
I was watching the new utility tree and thought that utility ryze would be even more stronger. Also new Wota will come with magna regen and CDR, I could be worth getting it on him early against high sustain.
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koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-21 08:49:23
November 21 2013 08:48 GMT
#236
Just from a quick look, I think I would go 0/9/21 with the S4 masteries. The 21st point in the utility tree seems really strong.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
November 21 2013 10:43 GMT
#237
WotA doesn't provide an aura anymore, though.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
-Zoda-
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
France3578 Posts
November 22 2013 17:46 GMT
#238
I just tried him top and holy shit i had forgotten how much Dmg this guy deals... I destroyed a riven (bad riven sure but..) going 9/0/21.
I didn't feel this fast with ult on though, still kinda hard to catch people with W sometimes
♪ 最初はi つなぐdo それ つまりlife 常に移動 ♪ - IGN: Uhryks
Duvon
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden2360 Posts
November 23 2013 00:05 GMT
#239
Do you feel the AP points in offense are worth it? Early points in defense are quite nice...
Nothing is impossible, only some things for some people.
sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
November 23 2013 05:22 GMT
#240
If it matters, I go 1/8/21. I honestly feel I would always have 10-16 less CS if I didn't have Butcher. I don't think I've ever had an initial laning phase before first back where minions didn't reach my tower.

I can see some people go 9 Offense as well, as Feast may seem pretty decent on Ryze.
Forever Young
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