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ReachTheSky
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3294 Posts
May 29 2013 21:30 GMT
#201
On May 30 2013 06:19 imBLIND wrote:
How exactly does ryze top not get owned? I see Shy do it and demolish later, but then i see scarra get facestomped. Aside from the skill difference, is this something that is viable in ranked solo queues?


Scarra never really practiced Ryze for top lane when he did it in the match. He said on stream it was a reactionary play for the all star game and that it wasn't planned. I think Ryze top needs more attention than mid. Shy also has more skills than scarra so yeah. As far as solo que goes, you better have your jungler be ready to counter-gank or to just camp top and get you fed early since it's easy to gank a ryze lane. If you are on red side expect to get camped by the enemy jungler, If you are on blue side you are a bit safer.
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Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
May 29 2013 21:38 GMT
#202
Ryze does very well against melee champs due to powerful harass with Q and easy disengage/gank support with W. He does very well if you can kite properly. Also, the off lane tends to be left alone for the most part after the tower has been taken and Ryze loves free farm. Ryze can also farm quite well in a 1v2 lane due to his range.

The biggest weakness is lack of mobility makes him very vulnerable to ganks. In solo queue and in the hands of lesser skilled players top Ryze is probably more of a liability than anything, but with good players and in a more organized setting you can easily mitigate his weaknesses.
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
May 29 2013 22:03 GMT
#203
top ryze's opened sapphire+2 on both blue and red side, taking TP.

What this let's them do is bully extremely hard from 1-3 in a 1v1 lane, be relatively safe from a gank due to the 1 min ward that they can put down at ~2:50, and base at around 4-5 minutes once you've expended all mana to pick up a completed tear and consumables.

Tp means that even in a 1v2, if you spam spells to CS, you should be able to farm enough to pick up a tear+ lots of pots and maybe even a flask.
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Arisen
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States2382 Posts
June 23 2013 08:51 GMT
#204
I'm trying to get into ryze top, but all the guides are for mid ryze on solomid. How do you change up your build for top lane? Later game it seems to be fairly similar, but i'm super scared early game and play super passive because I'm always thinking a gank is coming (especially if I start mana crystal and dont have a ward)
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zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
June 23 2013 22:42 GMT
#205
It is fairly similar, other than you can go mana glyphs instead of mr/level depending on the matchup. I think 9/0/21 is pretty much mandatory in most matchups, as is tp. Other than that, not a whole lot different. You have to be conscious of the enemy jungler yes, but as long as you get your tear and start charging that up without dying, there's not too much different to be honest. If anything, I find it easier because it's more of a commitment for the enemy jungler to be top later, so you have a lot of time to q the enemy top in the face.

I get the 3 points in the utility tree in spell vamp too. Just because coming back to lane without tp takes a lot longer than it would mid lane, so that makes it harder to push you out of lane (usually from a jungle gank).
KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
June 23 2013 23:34 GMT
#206
Also in tourney play, you can just pressure top and not give a fuck because sending a jungler is giving up dragon.
schmutttt
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia3856 Posts
August 05 2013 04:06 GMT
#207
So what do people think about Ryze after the nerfs?

Played him in two games, went well in one (Had a good team though) and poorly in the other. Versed ahri in the second game and the range nerf really hurts him vs long range mages I think.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
August 05 2013 04:45 GMT
#208
Played him versus Kassadin and it was the most unfun thing ever. He just threw spaceballs and spacepuked on me, and I didnt even have the range to react properly.

Still won the stupid game though because Spectre's Cowl is great.

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Sakray
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
France2198 Posts
August 05 2013 16:09 GMT
#209
Imo the champ is quite dead now, you have less spell range than aa range. You can't poke, you can only trade.
And when your early game is already shit, having to take damage everytime when you want to make some pressure to help your farming is just too much.
He was my main, I don't think I'll play him anymore now (I've tried, not fun anymore)
serum321
Profile Joined January 2012
United States606 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-05 20:40:44
August 05 2013 17:24 GMT
#210
Having been playing lol not so long so not even lvl 30 yet (26) so my advice may not mean much, but I was using ryze as my main from early on. After a couple of rough games mid, since the patch, against champions I didn't even have a problem with before I started going top Ryze and I've been having a lot of success with him up there. He can really punish bruisers, even if they have a gap closer I think my positioning from playing mid has helped me out so its normally not an issue and against champs without a gap closer, like Nasus, the enemy Nasus will just get destroyed or be so far behind in cs you can dump and kill him at 6. You can even auto attack harass Nasus and he can't do anything about it. One of ryze's weaknesses is his lack of mobility and being top you generally only have to worry about the gank from one direction, the river, so as long as you keep it warded its extremely difficult to get ganked.

I'm sure eventually people will catch on and start counter picking for ryze top if they see another mid, but I guess at my lvl chances of that happening are slim so I'm having a lot of success so far.

Edit - Meant to say not so long.
Tooplark
Profile Joined October 2008
United States3977 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-05 17:47:20
August 05 2013 17:46 GMT
#211
Ryze still dumps on a lot of melee champs top lane.
heh yup didn't see your post before posting
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walrus
Profile Joined February 2010
Vietnam68 Posts
September 15 2013 12:59 GMT
#212
I want to play Ryze again, does anyone have some good tips?
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InfSunday
Profile Joined March 2013
United States735 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-15 15:16:33
September 15 2013 15:15 GMT
#213
On September 15 2013 21:59 walrus wrote:
I want to play Ryze again, does anyone have some good tips?


To be honest, I almost think Ryze is a more viable top laner now than a mid because of how hard his range nerfs hit. Someone here likened post-nerf Ryze to a T-Rex - still very powerful, but you have to get close enough to reach people with your stubby arms. I do like how fast you go with ult, which can help close this distance, but a lot of his matchups are, in my experience, much more difficult now than they were before.

Farther than that, I'm sure someone else will help. I haven't played him enough (read: was getting completely trashed after the patch and gave up trying) to really know a lot of details about him anymore. I'll actually probably wait for another reply and use the tips myself, if I feel up to playing him again. :3
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imBLIND
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2626 Posts
September 16 2013 03:48 GMT
#214
I do agree with ryze being a better top laner now than he is of a mid laner, but he's basically just a slow version of kennen that can carry harder if he does well. Doing well with ryze involves being extremely safe: not pushing, not drawing jungler attention (or telling your jungler to camp top for counter ganks), double/triple warding the lane, getting tele instead of ingnite so you can start blue crystal/pots, etc. One could go as far as to say he has no good matchups if your jungler is not better than the enemy jungler. This is usually a major disadvantage until you get 3 items.

Most of the time, ryze just lets the tower fall early and free farms until he gets archangel/RoA/SV or FH, meaning the rest of your team would be 4v4ing or 4v5ing for at least to the 20 minute mark, probably longer. His escape sucks too much to be pushing the free lane post-20 minutes, so if you're behind at all, its going to be really hard to catch up.

I haven't tried these myselfs (gonna try them out in the inhouses when i get back to my own computer), but I'm considering skipping RoA on ryze and getting SV as a 2nd item (after tear+boots). Also considering 9/21/0 and 9/12/9 masteries instead of 9/0/21 and turning him into rumble. Maybe iceborn instead of FH too just to give him extra kiting ability against bruisers. Itemization would probably be tear/boots>SV>glacial>randuins, zhonya, or banshee while sitting on the glacial.
im deaf
ZataN
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand414 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-16 04:00:45
September 16 2013 04:00 GMT
#215
aaand ryze starts dieing...

EDIT: LOL WRONG THREAD
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AsianEcksDragon
Profile Joined March 2008
United States1036 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-22 03:03:09
September 22 2013 03:02 GMT
#216
On September 16 2013 12:48 imBLIND wrote:
I do agree with ryze being a better top laner now than he is of a mid laner, but he's basically just a slow version of kennen that can carry harder if he does well. Doing well with ryze involves being extremely safe: not pushing, not drawing jungler attention (or telling your jungler to camp top for counter ganks), double/triple warding the lane, getting tele instead of ingnite so you can start blue crystal/pots, etc. One could go as far as to say he has no good matchups if your jungler is not better than the enemy jungler. This is usually a major disadvantage until you get 3 items.

Most of the time, ryze just lets the tower fall early and free farms until he gets archangel/RoA/SV or FH, meaning the rest of your team would be 4v4ing or 4v5ing for at least to the 20 minute mark, probably longer. His escape sucks too much to be pushing the free lane post-20 minutes, so if you're behind at all, its going to be really hard to catch up.

I haven't tried these myselfs (gonna try them out in the inhouses when i get back to my own computer), but I'm considering skipping RoA on ryze and getting SV as a 2nd item (after tear+boots). Also considering 9/21/0 and 9/12/9 masteries instead of 9/0/21 and turning him into rumble. Maybe iceborn instead of FH too just to give him extra kiting ability against bruisers. Itemization would probably be tear/boots>SV>glacial>randuins, zhonya, or banshee while sitting on the glacial.


21 defense isn't going to do much for the late game that he's preparing. Ryze needs MS so that last point alone is worth all the points into utility.. The Spellvamp, Expanded mind, CDR and Strength of Spirit masteries makes it even better.
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imBLIND
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2626 Posts
September 22 2013 04:35 GMT
#217
On September 22 2013 12:02 AsianEcksDragon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2013 12:48 imBLIND wrote:
I do agree with ryze being a better top laner now than he is of a mid laner, but he's basically just a slow version of kennen that can carry harder if he does well. Doing well with ryze involves being extremely safe: not pushing, not drawing jungler attention (or telling your jungler to camp top for counter ganks), double/triple warding the lane, getting tele instead of ingnite so you can start blue crystal/pots, etc. One could go as far as to say he has no good matchups if your jungler is not better than the enemy jungler. This is usually a major disadvantage until you get 3 items.

Most of the time, ryze just lets the tower fall early and free farms until he gets archangel/RoA/SV or FH, meaning the rest of your team would be 4v4ing or 4v5ing for at least to the 20 minute mark, probably longer. His escape sucks too much to be pushing the free lane post-20 minutes, so if you're behind at all, its going to be really hard to catch up.

I haven't tried these myselfs (gonna try them out in the inhouses when i get back to my own computer), but I'm considering skipping RoA on ryze and getting SV as a 2nd item (after tear+boots). Also considering 9/21/0 and 9/12/9 masteries instead of 9/0/21 and turning him into rumble. Maybe iceborn instead of FH too just to give him extra kiting ability against bruisers. Itemization would probably be tear/boots>SV>glacial>randuins, zhonya, or banshee while sitting on the glacial.


21 defense isn't going to do much for the late game that he's preparing. Ryze needs MS so that last point alone is worth all the points into utility.. The Spellvamp, Expanded mind, CDR and Strength of Spirit masteries makes it even better.


The only reason I even considered not going 21 into utlity was because of the changes to ryze's ult and the nerfs to his Q, W, and E. I feel ryze already has a damn strong late game without 21 in the utility tree, and it's only a matter of getting to the late game that I need to worry about while playing him.

I'm going to try out 9/9/12 right now with him, sacrificing the CDR, health regen, and move speed for extra resists and more health
im deaf
nath
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1788 Posts
September 27 2013 00:57 GMT
#218
i feel like ryze is still fine mid, hes not as good as the top tier mid lanes...but the KDA doesn't matter if he farms and doesnt feed too much...hes gonna die a few times but still have an insane late game provided hes still farming and not dying more than 2-3 times...dont understand why hes so terrible just because of range nerfs...he can't trade but he can farm.
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Sakray
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
France2198 Posts
September 27 2013 14:06 GMT
#219
On September 27 2013 09:57 nath wrote:
i feel like ryze is still fine mid, hes not as good as the top tier mid lanes...but the KDA doesn't matter if he farms and doesnt feed too much...hes gonna die a few times but still have an insane late game provided hes still farming and not dying more than 2-3 times...dont understand why hes so terrible just because of range nerfs...he can't trade but he can farm.


If their mid is passive, yeah.
Otherwise it's just raping time on you.
nath
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1788 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-27 15:50:30
September 27 2013 15:49 GMT
#220
On September 27 2013 23:06 Sakray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2013 09:57 nath wrote:
i feel like ryze is still fine mid, hes not as good as the top tier mid lanes...but the KDA doesn't matter if he farms and doesnt feed too much...hes gonna die a few times but still have an insane late game provided hes still farming and not dying more than 2-3 times...dont understand why hes so terrible just because of range nerfs...he can't trade but he can farm.


If their mid is passive, yeah.
Otherwise it's just raping time on you.

if all you try to do is farm and keep the lane frozen i disagree.

also you sir are classless for using rape in that context, regardless of 'gamer' speak.

you could even take barrier and for sure you would not die unless you try to trade or push the lane.
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