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On May 30 2013 06:19 imBLIND wrote:
How exactly does ryze top not get owned? I see Shy do it and demolish later, but then i see scarra get facestomped. Aside from the skill difference, is this something that is viable in ranked solo queues?
Scarra never really practiced Ryze for top lane when he did it in the match. He said on stream it was a reactionary play for the all star game and that it wasn't planned. I think Ryze top needs more attention than mid. Shy also has more skills than scarra so yeah. As far as solo que goes, you better have your jungler be ready to counter-gank or to just camp top and get you fed early since it's easy to gank a ryze lane. If you are on red side expect to get camped by the enemy jungler, If you are on blue side you are a bit safer.
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Ryze does very well against melee champs due to powerful harass with Q and easy disengage/gank support with W. He does very well if you can kite properly. Also, the off lane tends to be left alone for the most part after the tower has been taken and Ryze loves free farm. Ryze can also farm quite well in a 1v2 lane due to his range.
The biggest weakness is lack of mobility makes him very vulnerable to ganks. In solo queue and in the hands of lesser skilled players top Ryze is probably more of a liability than anything, but with good players and in a more organized setting you can easily mitigate his weaknesses.
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top ryze's opened sapphire+2 on both blue and red side, taking TP.
What this let's them do is bully extremely hard from 1-3 in a 1v1 lane, be relatively safe from a gank due to the 1 min ward that they can put down at ~2:50, and base at around 4-5 minutes once you've expended all mana to pick up a completed tear and consumables.
Tp means that even in a 1v2, if you spam spells to CS, you should be able to farm enough to pick up a tear+ lots of pots and maybe even a flask.
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I'm trying to get into ryze top, but all the guides are for mid ryze on solomid. How do you change up your build for top lane? Later game it seems to be fairly similar, but i'm super scared early game and play super passive because I'm always thinking a gank is coming (especially if I start mana crystal and dont have a ward)
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It is fairly similar, other than you can go mana glyphs instead of mr/level depending on the matchup. I think 9/0/21 is pretty much mandatory in most matchups, as is tp. Other than that, not a whole lot different. You have to be conscious of the enemy jungler yes, but as long as you get your tear and start charging that up without dying, there's not too much different to be honest. If anything, I find it easier because it's more of a commitment for the enemy jungler to be top later, so you have a lot of time to q the enemy top in the face.
I get the 3 points in the utility tree in spell vamp too. Just because coming back to lane without tp takes a lot longer than it would mid lane, so that makes it harder to push you out of lane (usually from a jungle gank).
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Also in tourney play, you can just pressure top and not give a fuck because sending a jungler is giving up dragon.
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So what do people think about Ryze after the nerfs?
Played him in two games, went well in one (Had a good team though) and poorly in the other. Versed ahri in the second game and the range nerf really hurts him vs long range mages I think.
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Played him versus Kassadin and it was the most unfun thing ever. He just threw spaceballs and spacepuked on me, and I didnt even have the range to react properly.
Still won the stupid game though because Spectre's Cowl is great.
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Imo the champ is quite dead now, you have less spell range than aa range. You can't poke, you can only trade.
And when your early game is already shit, having to take damage everytime when you want to make some pressure to help your farming is just too much.
He was my main, I don't think I'll play him anymore now (I've tried, not fun anymore)
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Having been playing lol not so long so not even lvl 30 yet (26) so my advice may not mean much, but I was using ryze as my main from early on. After a couple of rough games mid, since the patch, against champions I didn't even have a problem with before I started going top Ryze and I've been having a lot of success with him up there. He can really punish bruisers, even if they have a gap closer I think my positioning from playing mid has helped me out so its normally not an issue and against champs without a gap closer, like Nasus, the enemy Nasus will just get destroyed or be so far behind in cs you can dump and kill him at 6. You can even auto attack harass Nasus and he can't do anything about it. One of ryze's weaknesses is his lack of mobility and being top you generally only have to worry about the gank from one direction, the river, so as long as you keep it warded its extremely difficult to get ganked.
I'm sure eventually people will catch on and start counter picking for ryze top if they see another mid, but I guess at my lvl chances of that happening are slim so I'm having a lot of success so far.
Edit - Meant to say not so long.
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Ryze still dumps on a lot of melee champs top lane.
heh yup didn't see your post before posting
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I want to play Ryze again, does anyone have some good tips?
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On September 15 2013 21:59 walrus wrote:
I want to play Ryze again, does anyone have some good tips?
To be honest, I almost think Ryze is a more viable top laner now than a mid because of how hard his range nerfs hit. Someone here likened post-nerf Ryze to a T-Rex - still very powerful, but you have to get close enough to reach people with your stubby arms. I do like how fast you go with ult, which can help close this distance, but a lot of his matchups are, in my experience, much more difficult now than they were before.
Farther than that, I'm sure someone else will help. I haven't played him enough (read: was getting completely trashed after the patch and gave up trying) to really know a lot of details about him anymore. I'll actually probably wait for another reply and use the tips myself, if I feel up to playing him again. :3
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I do agree with ryze being a better top laner now than he is of a mid laner, but he's basically just a slow version of kennen that can carry harder if he does well. Doing well with ryze involves being extremely safe: not pushing, not drawing jungler attention (or telling your jungler to camp top for counter ganks), double/triple warding the lane, getting tele instead of ingnite so you can start blue crystal/pots, etc. One could go as far as to say he has no good matchups if your jungler is not better than the enemy jungler. This is usually a major disadvantage until you get 3 items.
Most of the time, ryze just lets the tower fall early and free farms until he gets archangel/RoA/SV or FH, meaning the rest of your team would be 4v4ing or 4v5ing for at least to the 20 minute mark, probably longer. His escape sucks too much to be pushing the free lane post-20 minutes, so if you're behind at all, its going to be really hard to catch up.
I haven't tried these myselfs (gonna try them out in the inhouses when i get back to my own computer), but I'm considering skipping RoA on ryze and getting SV as a 2nd item (after tear+boots). Also considering 9/21/0 and 9/12/9 masteries instead of 9/0/21 and turning him into rumble. Maybe iceborn instead of FH too just to give him extra kiting ability against bruisers. Itemization would probably be tear/boots>SV>glacial>randuins, zhonya, or banshee while sitting on the glacial.
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aaand ryze starts dieing...
EDIT: LOL WRONG THREAD
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On September 16 2013 12:48 imBLIND wrote:
I do agree with ryze being a better top laner now than he is of a mid laner, but he's basically just a slow version of kennen that can carry harder if he does well. Doing well with ryze involves being extremely safe: not pushing, not drawing jungler attention (or telling your jungler to camp top for counter ganks), double/triple warding the lane, getting tele instead of ingnite so you can start blue crystal/pots, etc. One could go as far as to say he has no good matchups if your jungler is not better than the enemy jungler. This is usually a major disadvantage until you get 3 items.
Most of the time, ryze just lets the tower fall early and free farms until he gets archangel/RoA/SV or FH, meaning the rest of your team would be 4v4ing or 4v5ing for at least to the 20 minute mark, probably longer. His escape sucks too much to be pushing the free lane post-20 minutes, so if you're behind at all, its going to be really hard to catch up.
I haven't tried these myselfs (gonna try them out in the inhouses when i get back to my own computer), but I'm considering skipping RoA on ryze and getting SV as a 2nd item (after tear+boots). Also considering 9/21/0 and 9/12/9 masteries instead of 9/0/21 and turning him into rumble. Maybe iceborn instead of FH too just to give him extra kiting ability against bruisers. Itemization would probably be tear/boots>SV>glacial>randuins, zhonya, or banshee while sitting on the glacial.
21 defense isn't going to do much for the late game that he's preparing. Ryze needs MS so that last point alone is worth all the points into utility.. The Spellvamp, Expanded mind, CDR and Strength of Spirit masteries makes it even better.
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On September 22 2013 12:02 AsianEcksDragon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2013 12:48 imBLIND wrote:
I do agree with ryze being a better top laner now than he is of a mid laner, but he's basically just a slow version of kennen that can carry harder if he does well. Doing well with ryze involves being extremely safe: not pushing, not drawing jungler attention (or telling your jungler to camp top for counter ganks), double/triple warding the lane, getting tele instead of ingnite so you can start blue crystal/pots, etc. One could go as far as to say he has no good matchups if your jungler is not better than the enemy jungler. This is usually a major disadvantage until you get 3 items.
Most of the time, ryze just lets the tower fall early and free farms until he gets archangel/RoA/SV or FH, meaning the rest of your team would be 4v4ing or 4v5ing for at least to the 20 minute mark, probably longer. His escape sucks too much to be pushing the free lane post-20 minutes, so if you're behind at all, its going to be really hard to catch up.
I haven't tried these myselfs (gonna try them out in the inhouses when i get back to my own computer), but I'm considering skipping RoA on ryze and getting SV as a 2nd item (after tear+boots). Also considering 9/21/0 and 9/12/9 masteries instead of 9/0/21 and turning him into rumble. Maybe iceborn instead of FH too just to give him extra kiting ability against bruisers. Itemization would probably be tear/boots>SV>glacial>randuins, zhonya, or banshee while sitting on the glacial.
21 defense isn't going to do much for the late game that he's preparing. Ryze needs MS so that last point alone is worth all the points into utility.. The Spellvamp, Expanded mind, CDR and Strength of Spirit masteries makes it even better.
The only reason I even considered not going 21 into utlity was because of the changes to ryze's ult and the nerfs to his Q, W, and E. I feel ryze already has a damn strong late game without 21 in the utility tree, and it's only a matter of getting to the late game that I need to worry about while playing him.
I'm going to try out 9/9/12 right now with him, sacrificing the CDR, health regen, and move speed for extra resists and more health
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i feel like ryze is still fine mid, hes not as good as the top tier mid lanes...but the KDA doesn't matter if he farms and doesnt feed too much...hes gonna die a few times but still have an insane late game provided hes still farming and not dying more than 2-3 times...dont understand why hes so terrible just because of range nerfs...he can't trade but he can farm.
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On September 27 2013 09:57 nath wrote:
i feel like ryze is still fine mid, hes not as good as the top tier mid lanes...but the KDA doesn't matter if he farms and doesnt feed too much...hes gonna die a few times but still have an insane late game provided hes still farming and not dying more than 2-3 times...dont understand why hes so terrible just because of range nerfs...he can't trade but he can farm.
If their mid is passive, yeah.
Otherwise it's just raping time on you.
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On September 27 2013 23:06 Sakray wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 09:57 nath wrote:
i feel like ryze is still fine mid, hes not as good as the top tier mid lanes...but the KDA doesn't matter if he farms and doesnt feed too much...hes gonna die a few times but still have an insane late game provided hes still farming and not dying more than 2-3 times...dont understand why hes so terrible just because of range nerfs...he can't trade but he can farm. If their mid is passive, yeah. Otherwise it's just raping time on you.
if all you try to do is farm and keep the lane frozen i disagree.
also you sir are classless for using rape in that context, regardless of 'gamer' speak.
you could even take barrier and for sure you would not die unless you try to trade or push the lane.
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