EPTi always lsoe this matchup with at least 1 death in laning 1v1.
laning vs cassiopeia? no problem. but vs diana no way.
[Champion] Ryze - Page 9
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Keniji
Netherlands2569 Posts
i always lsoe this matchup with at least 1 death in laning 1v1. laning vs cassiopeia? no problem. but vs diana no way. | ||
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imBLIND
United States2626 Posts
The good thing is that ryze is awesome at baiting because of his W, so you can guarantee your jungler a pretty solid gank once she turns lv 6. | ||
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Magus
Canada450 Posts
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h3r1n6
Iceland2039 Posts
On March 14 2013 08:16 Keniji wrote: how do you play vs diana as ryze. i always lsoe this matchup with at least 1 death in laning 1v1. laning vs cassiopeia? no problem. but vs diana no way. Harass and deny her as much as possible before 6, although with consumables she can just ignore you and shove the wave, basically skipping her weak early game and forcing you to last hit at tower. Get better at juking Q, if you run towards the left of her you often get it to just arc around you. Other than that, buy some MR and get your jungler since she is relatively easy to gank. | ||
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nosliw
United States2716 Posts
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Lmui
Canada6213 Posts
On March 14 2013 14:14 nosliw wrote: I just laned against swain and I cannot trade with him whatsoever. His QEW + auto out damamges my QWEQ. You have to dodge the nevermove. If it hits, you eat the full Q which has its damage amplified by E and there's not many (if any) champions that can outtrade swain if he hits the nevermove. You should get mercs against swain in order to reduce the strength of his slows though. | ||
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Tooplark
United States3977 Posts
On March 14 2013 17:30 Lmui wrote: You have to dodge the nevermove. If it hits, you eat the full Q which has its damage amplified by E and there's not many (if any) champions that can outtrade swain if he hits the nevermove. You should get mercs against swain in order to reduce the strength of his slows though. The secrets of trading with Swain: W has an 18 second cooldown at level 1. That gives you a large window to trade with him, and he's also open to ganks while Nevermove is on cooldown. After 6, just stay healthy, take advantage of any free hits he offers you, and all-in him when your jungler comes to gank. Rushing mercs isn't the best idea, nor is it necessary; just build what you'd normally build (I don't play Ryze; this is coming from the Swain side of the matchup). | ||
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nosliw
United States2716 Posts
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
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h3r1n6
Iceland2039 Posts
Anyway, while the shield and ap are nice, Muramana gives much more burst, which is why I pretty much always buy it. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On March 15 2013 03:41 AsnSensation wrote: pretty sure almost everyone goes muramana, only one korean at the recent IEM went seraphs which surprised the casters afair. Yea, I almost always go Muramana, but it does drain mana if you don't manage it. | ||
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ReachTheSky
United States3294 Posts
On March 15 2013 07:06 h3r1n6 wrote: I think the only one I've seen go Seraphs is Reginald and with all due respect, I wouldn't look at Reginald for build advice. Maybe I need to watch more matches. Anyway, while the shield and ap are nice, Muramana gives much more burst, which is why I pretty much always buy it. Seraph's is if you need the extra pad if you are getting dove. Personally i prefer Muramana for the same reason you do. | ||
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Sakray
France2198 Posts
For exemple last game I got 0-2'd vs Veigar (I started tear into banshee) probably because I was too passive (I died the first time being caught off-guard by the CD reduc' of blue on his stun), he spammed the combo stun/aoe/Q everytime he was able to. Then I managed to end at 14-2 because I tend to farm extremely well with him. My weakness with him really is early game, I guess it's the only thing that prevents me from mastering him (I start with boots+3pots vs skillshots, otherwise its mana cryst+2pots, with the biscuit and ward from masteries). EDIT : Lately I tried Athene's build on him, which to me seems to be a little bit more tanky but with more mana in early, and less tanky but more damage in early. Seems quite good but I'm still not used to it. Obviously in this post I was talking about games where I use the standard build MPen boots/RoA/Banshee/Frozen Heart/Muramana (last item I try stuff like Void Staff or Liandry) :p | ||
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Alzadar
Canada5009 Posts
On March 26 2013 08:46 Sakray wrote: Hey, I wanted to know which way is better with Ryze during early game. I tend to play very passive until midgame where I go extremely agressive and always get huge scores without any problem. For exemple last game I got 0-2'd vs Veigar (I started tear into banshee) probably because I was too passive (I died the first time being caught off-guard by the CD reduc' of blue on his stun), he spammed the combo stun/aoe/Q everytime he was able to. Then I managed to end at 14-2 because I tend to farm extremely well with him. My weakness with him really is early game, I guess it's the only thing that prevents me from mastering him (I start with boots+3pots vs skillshots, otherwise its mana cryst+2pots, with the biscuit and ward from masteries). EDIT : Lately I tried Athene's build on him, which to me seems to be a little bit more tanky but with more mana in early, and less tanky but more damage in early. Seems quite good but I'm still not used to it. Obviously in this post I was talking about games where I use the standard build MPen boots/RoA/Banshee/Frozen Heart/Muramana (last item I try stuff like Void Staff or Liandry) :p These days I would either open Flask +3pots vs a weak jungler or Faerie +4/6 Pots +2/1 Wards vs a scary jungler. A bit of extra damage from a Mana Crystal means nothing if you're playing with a potion disadvantage, and Boots aren't too helpful either. I don't see any appeal to Athene's. You don't need mana regen once you have Tear + another mana item, Frozen Heart alone is enough to max your CDR and you benefit little from AP. Between Banshee's and Mercs you have tons of MR too. | ||
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Sakray
France2198 Posts
Athene's build is sth like MPen boots/RoA/Athene's Unholy Grail/Muramana/Seraph'/Zhonya, you can find it here : Basically the early game is mana crystal + pots, and first back he gets Tear + Chalice then rush blue (everything is just in time, blue respawn around 7:10 which is approximately when you arrive on your lane). | ||
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On March 26 2013 09:10 Sakray wrote: By Athene's build I mean the PLAYER Athene, not the item :p Athene's build is sth like MPen boots/RoA/Athene's Unholy Grail/Muramana/Seraph'/Zhonya, you can find it here : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koY_-828wP4 Basically the early game is mana crystal + pots, and first back he gets Tear + Chalice then rush blue (everything is just in time, blue respawn around 7:10 which is approximately when you arrive on your lane). I don't know why youd need athenes on Ryze tbh. And in all reality he's probably only getting because it has his name on it, and he has that big of an ego. | ||
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koreasilver
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h3r1n6
Iceland2039 Posts
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
Ryze gets 10% CDR from Q and often runs 9-10% in masteries or (sometimes) runes, so you only need 20% on items, and once you get your 20% CDR item you can usually stop taking blue buff. If you aren't running much CDR on masteries, 20% is still overkill and you probably should just chug blue elixirs when you're not bluebuffed or something. | ||
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