[Champion] Ryze - Page 13

On November 25 2013 13:08 koreasilver wrote:
I played a little bit of Ryze today just because I was curious about how the new masteries would work on him. I used this page after thinking about it for a little bit.

http://dpatti.com/s4/#Ma57k5jvpHTA

The new masteries superficially seem alright, but the you can still really feel the range nerfs. I was never good with Ryze though, so maybe more experienced and better Ryze players could give some input on whether or not the new masteries are better or worse in comparison to S3. It seems it's overall worse though. You get less constant ms and you no longer get the 8% penetration.

On November 25 2013 14:35 koreasilver wrote:
Bandit doesn't seem useful at all on Ryze given that for most matchups you're really not going to get opportunities to auto the opposing laner, and SoS is super strong on Ryze since it gives you 1hp/5 per 300 max mana (the description in the site I linked to is wrong). The mana regen you need to unlock SoS helps a lot for your early game where you're pretty mana starved. The 2hp/5 might be better than the 5% bonus resists because of early game, you're right. Bandit is pretty shitty though, and I think it's worth missing out on the 10% summoner cd reduction for SoS, which is pretty strong on Ryze.

On April 23 2014 04:52 Sakray wrote:
Ok, so Ryze is viable again top, as we all know.

I'm still having trouble against Renek because of his huge gap closer. He just needs to have minions between him and me so he can jump on me, remove half of my HP early game and I can't damage him enough to make up for it. I can't sustain as fast as he can, so I can't do shit if he stands in front of his minions.

What to do in these situations ? I've tried starting catalyst 1st but he can still destroy me without him taking any damage in return.

On April 23 2014 05:18 BlasiuS wrote:
You need to stand far enough away that Slice alone won't make it. Force him to use Dice to get to you, then you can pummel him with a full rotation while he walks back to behind his minion line. If he is able to get right next to you with Slice, you're going to lose the trade. If he does this more than once, you'll get zoned or die.

On April 23 2014 05:37 Lightswarm wrote:
run tp and start with mana crystal. abuse ur autoattacks and use the bush to de-aggro urself. throw q on him whenever he tries to cs. best let him try to jump to you and use q so the wave pushes towards you. once the wave pushes to you, u can freeze it there for a good 2-3 waves. even if he does manage to jump onto u and land all his combo, the damage and cc stun duration is not enough to discourage you from harassing him, so throw out all the spells you can while he tries to fight you. i find getting tears is better than catalyst since it only costs 350~ after buying mana crystal, and gives you more mana sustain. you can also put 3 points into the spell vamp mastery for extra sustain. the key with ryze top lane is that you need to control where the creep wave will meet. ive played ryze vs rene lanes where the rene fell behind by 50 cs without any kills or deaths in lane.

On April 23 2014 05:50 GrandInquisitor wrote:
Ryze is a good candidate for weird masteries. I typically do 5/10/15 or 5/13/12 and swap out a few MR glyphs for 5% flat CDR. Then you hit 40% by getting 10% from masteries/runes, 10% from Q, and 20% from Frozen Heart. Tear -> RoA and Frozen Heart -> Seraph's -> Void Staff and Guardian Angel is all you need.

He takes very strong advantage of the hidden mastery interactions (Expose Weakness works on your own damage and Oppression reduces damage from champions affected by Frozen Heart).

On April 23 2014 05:50 GrandInquisitor wrote:
Ryze is a good candidate for weird masteries. I typically do 5/10/15 or 5/13/12 and swap out a few MR glyphs for 5% flat CDR. Then you hit 40% by getting 10% from masteries/runes, 10% from Q, and 20% from Frozen Heart. Tear -> RoA and Frozen Heart -> Seraph's -> Void Staff and Guardian Angel is all you need.

He takes very strong advantage of the hidden mastery interactions (Expose Weakness works on your own damage and Oppression reduces damage from champions affected by Frozen Heart).

On April 23 2014 09:02 BlasiuS wrote:
It's still a nightmare matchup. Assuming you both know the matchup and are equally skilled, I'm pretty sure Renekton will always win without jungler interference.

It's definitely a "I know I can't win lane phase so just don't die and outscale" matchup.

On April 23 2014 09:02 BlasiuS wrote:
It's still a nightmare matchup. Assuming you both know the matchup and are equally skilled, I'm pretty sure Renekton will always win without jungler interference.

It's definitely a "I know I can't win lane phase so just don't die and outscale" matchup.

On April 23 2014 06:30 Sakray wrote:


That's what I usually do, but even if I force him to use Dice I still lose more HP than he does, and with a full rotation at low level I run out of mana very quickly while he can just wait for his cd's, sustain with Q, then jump on me again.



I do run TP and start with mana crystal, I use my TP to return to lane early after backing and grabbing either tear or catalyst when I have the money to do so. I'm not using the bushes enough tho, it may help a bit when harassing.



My main build is sorcerer's boots/tear/catalyst, and endgame sorcerer/archangel/roa/frozen heart/banshee OR void staff OR spirit visage OR wota (if ballsy), going GA feels weird on him

On April 25 2014 06:15 GolemMadness wrote:
Kennen does decently against Ryze.