EPTYou dont consider an ADC an ADC? Okay... If you build him bruiser he isnt an ADC but he works really well just straight AD corki/ez style with triforce instead of PD.
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[Champion] Jayce - Page 7
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Bladeorade
United States1898 Posts
You dont consider an ADC an ADC? Okay... If you build him bruiser he isnt an ADC but he works really well just straight AD corki/ez style with triforce instead of PD. IE/Triforce/BT/GA/LW | ||
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
On September 16 2012 09:08 Curu wrote: This just...what? Why would you get a Doran's if you plan to play passively? That just makes no sense at all. Why not? You need sustain, the extra damage keeps them honest. You want to play aggressive with a doran's blade and no boots? Asking to get ganked and die if you're top lane... | ||
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Dusty
United States3359 Posts
On September 16 2012 10:08 Bladeorade wrote: You dont consider an ADC an ADC? Okay... If you build him bruiser he isnt an ADC but he works really well just straight AD corki/ez style with triforce instead of PD. IE/Triforce/BT/GA/LW 1. 500 range, compared to every carry besides Kog and Sivir that have 550-700 2. Weak steroid. Every other carry besides Caitlyn has a huge steroid 3. Lack of burst. Sure his EQ is great poke but on a 10-ish second CD. 4. His entire Hammer form side of his kit requires him to be in melee range. On a carry? No. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
People play him BT-triforce top now, which is akin to Ez and Corki builds. | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On September 16 2012 12:01 Alaric wrote: Yeah W is such a bad steroid, only virtually 4 autos at 2.5 AS and 130% damage, shit sucks. It's actually not that great since it doesn't last as long and many carries can reach 2.0 aspd with just pdancer and their normal steroid ability for longer than jayce. It's good early on, especially if you build a lot of AD but no one maxes W on jayce. My problem with squishy AD jayce and kayle is that I just think... "well Tristana would be so much better at this point in the game with the same items." | ||
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Curu
Canada2817 Posts
On September 16 2012 11:22 zer0das wrote: Why not? You need sustain, the extra damage keeps them honest. You want to play aggressive with a doran's blade and no boots? Asking to get ganked and die if you're top lane... You get Doran's to all in them early and get kills. That's why champions like Pantheon and Riven in certain matchups gets it. You have far less sustain and less mobility starting Doran's than any other start. It's DESIGNED to be aggressive, starting Doran's and playing passively is just plain wrong. You will get pushed out of a lane much faster with a Doran's start than a Boots 3 start. | ||
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agentx3
United States64 Posts
Well Jayce is quite interesting because it was obvious from the start that his kit is extremely strong and versatile. When professional top laners finally decided to learn him his strength really began to show. A few things: 1) Jayce has extremely high mobility which is important in the current meta 2) Jayce can be ranged, he has the ability to farm in 1v2 lanes 3) Jayce pretty much has no hard counter in lane. Vlad and Yorick can go even with him, with the matchup being more skilled based. 4) Jayce has insane poke with his Q burst and gate. 5) It is very difficult to counter him with specific item builds. He does a lot of magic damage as well as having the ability to do high physical damage 6) Jayce can fit in a variety of team comps. You do not need a poke comp for him to work. Late game his damage is insane and he is pretty much like a 2nd AD Carry with massive poke damage and mobility. 7) All Jayce needs to build is BT - > LW - > GA with Berserker Greaves or CDR Boots - It is a much stronger build than going the Tri-Force route on him, even though that does have some uses. 8) I fully expect a Jayce nerf in the near future. His damage, mobility, and utility is insane. It took a while for people to finally learn him and while his skill cap is high, it was no surprise that he has become so popular. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35131 Posts
On September 16 2012 18:06 agentx3 wrote: Jayce. Well Jayce is quite interesting because it was obvious from the start that his kit is extremely strong and versatile. When professional top laners finally decided to learn him his strength really began to show. A few things: 1) Jayce has extremely high mobility which is important in the current meta 2) Jayce can be ranged, he has the ability to farm in 1v2 lanes 3) Jayce pretty much has no hard counter in lane. Vlad and Yorick can go even with him, with the matchup being more skilled based. 4) Jayce has insane poke with his Q burst and gate. 5) It is very difficult to counter him with specific item builds. He does a lot of magic damage as well as having the ability to do high physical damage 6) Jayce can fit in a variety of team comps. You do not need a poke comp for him to work. Late game his damage is insane and he is pretty much like a 2nd AD Carry with massive poke damage and mobility. 7) All Jayce needs to build is BT - > LW - > GA with Berserker Greaves or CDR Boots - It is a much stronger build than going the Tri-Force route on him, even though that does have some uses. 8) I fully expect a Jayce nerf in the near future. His damage, mobility, and utility is insane. It took a while for people to finally learn him and while his skill cap is high, it was no surprise that he has become so popular. About 8, this is from the PBE: Jayce Thundering Blow / Acceleration Gate [ E ] - Mana cost is now 40/50/60/70/80 Mana (Change from 40 mana) | ||
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Bladeorade
United States1898 Posts
On September 16 2012 12:02 obesechicken13 wrote: It's actually not that great since it doesn't last as long and many carries can reach 2.0 aspd with just pdancer and their normal steroid ability for longer than jayce. It's good early on, especially if you build a lot of AD but no one maxes W on jayce. My problem with squishy AD jayce and kayle is that I just think... "well Tristana would be so much better at this point in the game with the same items." Yeah except Tristana top lane hasn't been experimented with, nor does she bring the same utility as Kayle or Jayce top. You play Kayle and Jayce top to abuse bruisers, get free farm, have a secondary AD carry (meaning both of you cant be focused,) and for the situational utility they bring. With Kayle you get the small heal + MS boost as well as a great slow and that OP invulnerability Ult. With Jayce you get Shurelyas on a low ass cooldown and huge poke as well as situational slow (mostly for chasing) and knockback. Jayce also wrecks most top laners because he decides when to fight, and when to disengage, same with Kayle though not as powerfully since her slow isnt as strong as Jayces knock back. | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On September 17 2012 00:41 Bladeorade wrote: Yeah except Tristana top lane hasn't been experimented with, nor does she bring the same utility as Kayle or Jayce top. You play Kayle and Jayce top to abuse bruisers, get free farm, have a secondary AD carry (meaning both of you cant be focused,) and for the situational utility they bring. With Kayle you get the small heal + MS boost as well as a great slow and that OP invulnerability Ult. With Jayce you get Shurelyas on a low ass cooldown and huge poke as well as situational slow (mostly for chasing) and knockback. Jayce also wrecks most top laners because he decides when to fight, and when to disengage, same with Kayle though not as powerfully since her slow isnt as strong as Jayces knock back. I think you overestimate both kayle and jayce's utility and if I wanted a second AD carry on my team I'd pick someone with a kit built for an AD carry. People may call tristana top a troll pick and dodge, they may flame you in game, but it has to be superior to full AD jayce. | ||
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the p00n
Netherlands615 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On September 17 2012 02:23 obesechicken13 wrote: I think you overestimate both kayle and jayce's utility and if I wanted a second AD carry on my team I'd pick someone with a kit built for an AD carry. People may call tristana top a troll pick and dodge, they may flame you in game, but it has to be superior to full AD jayce. Jayce also has the flexiblity to be a full on bruiser if need be, free resists, sticking power, and burst are pretty good. Top lane Trist (or any other ADC aside from maybe Urgot) can't boast that. | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
On September 17 2012 02:23 obesechicken13 wrote: I think you overestimate both kayle and jayce's utility and if I wanted a second AD carry on my team I'd pick someone with a kit built for an AD carry. People may call tristana top a troll pick and dodge, they may flame you in game, but it has to be superior to full AD jayce. as requizen pointed out, it's much more reasonable to compare the way urgot plays top lane rather than trist. Trist simply doesn't trash top lanes as hard as jayce does, and in some ways, the late game benefits are kinda moot if you consider the fact that jayce just curbstomps a ton of top laners, and is substantially more effective in the midgame. Jayce needs like 2 items to be a serious threat, if you compare similar timings on, say bt + GA, then jayce >>>>>> trist, trist needs like 4 items before she starts really pulling far ahead of jayce. also the util on accel gate is nuts. That is easily jayce's best skill in his entire kit. | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
I was arguing that squishy full AD jayce was a bad build I don't understand the counterargument now that bruiser jayce is a good build. Bruiser jayce is a good build. This is the way to play him. I agree. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On September 17 2012 07:36 obesechicken13 wrote: Blade says he builds Jayce like an AD I was arguing that squishy full AD jayce was a bad build I don't understand the counterargument now that bruiser jayce is a good build. Bruiser jayce is a good build. This is the way to play him. I agree. There isn't much distinction, though. DBlades/BT/TF is pretty much the build for both. I guess later on bruiser gets GA and AD gets IE or whatever, but that core isn't going to be different for like the first ~30+ minutes of the game. | ||
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bokeevboke
Singapore1674 Posts
On September 16 2012 21:12 Gahlo wrote: About 8, this is from the PBE: Jayce Thundering Blow / Acceleration Gate [ E ] - Mana cost is now 40/50/60/70/80 Mana (Change from 40 mana)  I knew nerf was incoming. His E is too strong. glad they didn't nerf cdr or damage.On September 17 2012 07:36 obesechicken13 wrote: Blade says he builds Jayce like an AD I was arguing that squishy full AD jayce was a bad build I don't understand the counterargument now that bruiser jayce is a good build. Bruiser jayce is a good build. This is the way to play him. I agree. Building pure ad Jayce is much better than building bruiser (defense items). You will mostly do burst damage, his combo is very deadly if he has have around ~250 damage. Building defense items on him is a waste since you don't do prolonged autoattack fights, nor you stay in the middle of the battle. You mostly hop in and hop out, poke, run around and do damage. And you don't roam and take 1v1 fights, unless you can finish it in one burst. Jayce is great with team, farming and pushing. But not good in pure 1v1 (in lategame). Get BT, Brutalizer, IE. TF, you will do insane amount of damage. Never build AS items, you can use ghost blade as a single AS item. General tactic is poking until teamfight starts, stay away until CCs and ults are used, then do your full combo. | ||
Chexx
Korea (South)11232 Posts
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On September 17 2012 15:42 Chexx wrote: never had any mana problems. I doubt this will be a huge nerf. Once you get sheen i dont think so either, esp since hammer stance restores mana. cause thats totally fair | ||
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Bladeorade
United States1898 Posts
On September 17 2012 07:36 obesechicken13 wrote: Blade says he builds Jayce like an AD I was arguing that squishy full AD jayce was a bad build I don't understand the counterargument now that bruiser jayce is a good build. Bruiser jayce is a good build. This is the way to play him. I agree. So phage into bt into tf /GA is a bruiser build? I have seen this exact build on many corki and ezreal players and never on a bruiser that wasn't fed. Follow up with lw ie. | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
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