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Jumbled
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On August 29 2012 12:31 sob3k wrote: Would Fiora be a good counterpick? Big sustain, double gap closer, block his R attacks? The only real strength I can see for Fiora in the match-up is that Jayce is fairly squishy early on for a top-laner, and hence her ult is a big threat. | ||
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bokeevboke
Singapore1674 Posts
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On August 29 2012 12:51 bokeevboke wrote: I feel useless in late game, how should I build Jayce (tanky/dps?), what should I do in teamfights? Whenever I jump in I get blown up. The most effective way is to play as a poker and peel for your ADC. His initiation is pretty poor (then again, most top laners got no initiation), and his dive is merely mediocre because E knocks back and you probably don't want to follow that up by switching to cannon form in the middle of a team fight. He can protect ADC so well though. Set up gate, poke with Q + W, switch to hammer form, Q W E... tons of damage and your ADC is super safe. | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
When the initiation starts, use your ranged shit first, then transform and either peel from your ADC with E or fuck someone up with QW. You don't want to be the first one in, but you're perfectly happy following an initiator (most junglers these days, or an AP or Support with AOECC like Diana/Leona/Zyra/Alistar) with QW. Your kit isn't the best to 1v1 an AD carry (you're no Irelia.) but if you have some help pinning someone down you put out the damage fast enough to focus down anyone you please. | ||
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bokeevboke
Singapore1674 Posts
On August 29 2012 12:59 sylverfyre wrote: Don't jump in early. Start the fight with poking with your ranged form Q, W. Assist your initiator (or help your team back off to wait for the right time to engage) using your ranged E. Don't get caught, you shouldn't be the #1 front line for your team - more like #2-3 tank - like an uncommonly tanky AD carry. While your W is up, a flat AD build or triforce build can shell out damage like a real AD carry, for a moment. When the initiation starts, use your ranged shit first, then transform and either peel from your ADC with E or fuck someone up with QW. You don't want to be the first one in, but you're perfectly happy following an initiator (most junglers these days, or an AP or Support with AOECC like Diana/Leona/Zyra/Alistar) with QW. Your kit isn't the best to 1v1 an AD carry (you're no Irelia.) but if you have some help pinning someone down you put out the damage fast enough to focus down anyone you please. So, in teamfight, I stand aside and do my ranged stuff, then pop hummer mode and jump onto someone. I guess I have to warn my team that I'm not gonna be tanking. | ||
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SHr3DD3r
Pakistan2137 Posts
2 dorans - CDR boots - Brut - BT/TF - TF/BT by this time the game is normally over - but I normally end up with GA. I do have some variations if I need to be tankier etc. Like Shuelias instead of brut, and maybe FH, or even warmogs atmas. | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On August 29 2012 20:33 bokeevboke wrote: So, in teamfight, I stand aside and do my ranged stuff, then pop hummer mode and jump onto someone. I guess I have to warn my team that I'm not gonna be tanking. Yeah, Jayce isn't a front line beast. With single target + long CD on your only hard CC and not much innate tankiness you don't offer much as a front line fighter. The Armor/MR you get from hammer mode basically just makes up for what most other melee champs get as base stats, and none of your kit except the resists from hammer mode has anything to do with survivability at all. | ||
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TomatoShark
United States288 Posts
 . starting boots pots x2 doran or doran and hex depending on lane phage -> - tri either ga or bt then etc | ||
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
I don't think Nidalee, Renekton, or Yorick can do enough to boot Jayce out of lane fast enough. As long as you don't try to kill them, they're not going to kill you. Irelia is about the only pick that can probably bully him, if you blade surge to a creep and then blade surge to him if he boots you away. Edit: After playing some more games, Garen can beat Jayce's face in... thereotically Jayce can boot away Garen before he silences you, but sometimes you screw up and if you get low enough, he can just flash, silence, judgement, and ult you for an easy kill. | ||
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Offhand
United States1869 Posts
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
Nidalee is slightly more annoying, but it's definitely doable. Not saying they're easy matchups, and you're probably not going to kill either of them by yourself, but I don't feel like they can kill you either if you play the matchup well. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On September 12 2012 12:20 zer0das wrote: I haven't really had problems with either Yorick or Nidalee. Worst case scenario get vamp quints and you should be able to survive (but I haven't needed them against either). I go 19/11/0 masteries (picking up both magic and armor penetration), flat AD marks/quints, armor seals, scaling mr glyphs.. Probably sounds dumb, but if you start a dorans blade against Yorick he's generally going to run out of mana before he wears you down (yeah yeah, asking to get ganked... play passively. it's better than getting knocked out of lane super early). Stack a few dorans and then work on resists a bit before getting other damage items. Nidalee is slightly more annoying, but it's definitely doable. Not saying they're easy matchups, and you're probably not going to kill either of them by yourself, but I don't feel like they can kill you either if you play the matchup well. Well, when I say "bad matchups", I just mean "matchups that turn into farm lanes because they can't really stop you". I don't think Jayce has any lanes where he straight up loses... maybe Riven? | ||
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JALbert
United States484 Posts
On September 12 2012 12:53 Requizen wrote: Well, when I say "bad matchups", I just mean "matchups that turn into farm lanes because they can't really stop you". I don't think Jayce has any lanes where he straight up loses... maybe Riven? I've only played against Jayce as Riven once, but I couldn't get anything started for the life of me. He maxed E and just hammered me out if I burned my skills to get close. If there's a way to beat Jayce with Riven I'm all ears, but it seemed a pretty hard match for her with his spacing control. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35091 Posts
On September 12 2012 17:50 JALbert wrote: I've only played against Jayce as Riven once, but I couldn't get anything started for the life of me. He maxed E and just hammered me out if I burned my skills to get close. If there's a way to beat Jayce with Riven I'm all ears, but it seemed a pretty hard match for her with his spacing control. I only had this matchup once as Riven aswell. I feel it's like Riven vs. Shen, you're not going to kill him so just turn it into a farm lane. In the end Riven has a bigger late game presence, it seems, so she looks like a safe pick against him. EDIT: Can I couch this statement any more? Before the original version I had two more conditional phrases in it. XD | ||
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Bladeorade
United States1898 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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arb
Noobville17920 Posts
On September 12 2012 17:50 JALbert wrote: I've only played against Jayce as Riven once, but I couldn't get anything started for the life of me. He maxed E and just hammered me out if I burned my skills to get close. If there's a way to beat Jayce with Riven I'm all ears, but it seemed a pretty hard match for her with his spacing control. Ive played it a couple times, you completely shit on her the entire lane phase. Her stun -> dash wont do shit, when you get unstunned Q E(cause we know e's a balanced skill) then you could shift to cannon and w her or something but usually q->e hammer is enough. Lategame you just do so much more. tldr spam autoattacks and q e at later ranks -> free win | ||
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Gahlo
United States35091 Posts
On September 16 2012 05:39 Bladeorade wrote: Riven does not have a bigger late game presence than an AD carry And I don't consider Jayce an ADC so... | ||
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Curu
Canada2817 Posts
On September 12 2012 12:20 zer0das wrote: I haven't really had problems with either Yorick or Nidalee. Worst case scenario get vamp quints and you should be able to survive (but I haven't needed them against either). I go 19/11/0 masteries (picking up both magic and armor penetration), flat AD marks/quints, armor seals, scaling mr glyphs.. Probably sounds dumb, but if you start a dorans blade against Yorick he's generally going to run out of mana before he wears you down (yeah yeah, asking to get ganked... play passively. it's better than getting knocked out of lane super early). Stack a few dorans and then work on resists a bit before getting other damage items. Nidalee is slightly more annoying, but it's definitely doable. Not saying they're easy matchups, and you're probably not going to kill either of them by yourself, but I don't feel like they can kill you either if you play the matchup well. This just...what? Why would you get a Doran's if you plan to play passively? That just makes no sense at all. | ||
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