EPTWith chalice you can just hurl bombs at them and make them miss cs along with clearing anything you want.
Besides it makes you fucking hard to kill.
[Champion] Ziggs - Page 2
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
With chalice you can just hurl bombs at them and make them miss cs along with clearing anything you want. Besides it makes you fucking hard to kill. | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21244 Posts
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
I can guarantee you if you do this tho you will never(well almost,you know what I mean) die in lane pretty much,but if you think your way is better than by all means do so. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On August 09 2012 05:28 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: you can do all the things you described with 2 rings, mp5/lvl yellows, and the mp5 utility mastery... Have you ever TRIED building chalice? It's paradise. | ||
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21244 Posts
On August 09 2012 05:34 Dandel Ion wrote: Have you ever TRIED building chalice? It's paradise. yes; i did no damage and was useless for 20 minutes because my items couldn't keep up. why chalice sucks: 1. you could've had a blasting wand with the gold - times where you could instant clear casters with q, they live with a sliver of hp 2. you could've had sorc boots - mpen + ms (which OP prizes so much) servers you so muich better than mana regen and some mr 3. the mr is useless - you're probably dead if you're gonna be trading straight up with an enemy ap, mr or no mr. 4. ziggs has really high ap scaling, rushing ap is so incredibly important on him if he wants to be relevant in fights and keep up with enemy damage | ||
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
2.You get your boots same time as the other ap mid,your still at an advantage without them so yea I guess you could but I like chalice better at lower lvls 3.No its not....I just played a game 10 minutes ago and survived a gragas ult coupled with a alistar gank with 20 hp...It actually makes a lot of difference to have a good amount of mr when a ap caster unloads on you or someone like kassadin is slowly trying to chip you away,not to long ago people were coming to lane with full mr pages,some still do. 4.Ziggs actually has mediocre scale,only his ult has a high scale but only in the primary blast radius which is not that big. I agree with you that getting as much ap as soon as possible on ziggs is good,but the idea of this is that you keep your lane pushed at all times so it can't roam,he looses cs while you push and harass him,you get immense farm and a decent amount of ap when the teamfights start. | ||
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21244 Posts
On August 09 2012 06:47 TheKefka wrote: 1.It actually doesn't matter because they still live.Meaning you still have to hit them again,it would be very good if you runed and itemized to get to a breaking point where you could one shot them if you don't understand why this point is important then there's no point saying anything else lol it's such a basic thing... | ||
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21244 Posts
sometimes its just unrealistic to stay and hit them again, for a variety of reasons. their mid roamed bot and you have to instantly clear to follow; their mid went b and you want to shove to roam or go back or whatever; theres a jungler waiting to gank you and you need to instantly clear while staying at tower; etc etc etc. it's something thats so crucial to mid lane and yet you dismiss it as "it doesnt matter" lol | ||
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21244 Posts
does anyone knwo if any pros take barrier on ziggs besides oddone when he's trolo qing? | ||
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Paljas
Germany6926 Posts
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21244 Posts
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Anggroth
United Kingdom345 Posts
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fastandfury
Ukraine6 Posts
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entropius
United States1046 Posts
On February 03 2014 22:13 fastandfury wrote: can you make ADC from ziggs? Not well. He has four abilities and a passive that scale off of AP. Thus building some AP is probably a reasonable idea on him. | ||
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dae
Canada1600 Posts
On February 03 2014 22:13 fastandfury wrote: can you make ADC from ziggs? on WePlay stream someone was playing with him, but didnt work well, any thoughts? =) Yes, but it won't be that good. He has a self escape/peel in his w and e, but he has pretty much no steroid (attack speed or attack damage), with his only steroid scaling with AP and CDR, not attack speed crit or ad.. You could probably make it work decently, since he has such good tools to keep himself alive, but he will be doing less damage then Caitlyn. Edit: I'm almost 100% sure that at all stages of the game AP Ziggs does more burst and sustained damage then AD Ziggs, from farther away, so playing AD Ziggs is sub optimal in every case. He is a brokenly strong champion right now, so even if your playing him sub optimally it might be decent, but AP is always better. | ||
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21244 Posts
Dring > Boots > Dring > Sorcs > Nashor's Tooth > Bloodthirster > Triforce > Last Whisper > Rageblade > holyshitrageblade is the wrost item ever > Sell Rageblade > Frozen Mallet Sugoi. + Show Spoiler + AD Ziggs only sucks because his AS growth is 2% a level which is below the 3.5%-4% range you find on most ADCs. Those with the 1% - 2.5% range (Jinx and Ezreal mainly) have insane steroids to make up for it. Ziggs' BAT is actually ok, about on par with a lot of the popular ADs, but the poor growth + lack of steroid on any skill makes it completely troll. Doesn't mean you should do it though huehue. | ||
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GreggSauce
United States566 Posts
Poke/control ziggs: I believe this is by far the best way to build ziggs 25/0/5 with 4 points into the AD portion of masteries red: magic pen. yellow: scaling mana regen. blue: scaling AP. quint: 1 flat mana regen and 2 flat AP or movespeed morello, athenes, sorc boots, zhonyas, deathcap, dfg/other. This is the build, pretty simple, the biggest difference you'll see is that you are squishy, and you'll have very very high mana regen. The way I play this is to lob my skills all day, and if I can get a very safe auto off I do. Use your ult whenever off cooldown. going 2 dorans into athenes is the best build path for this. | ||
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imBLIND
United States2626 Posts
The mana regen yellows from season 2 was when the top 3 mids were karthus, anivia, and orianna. Come season 4, we have to deal with yasuos, talons, vi, rengar, evelynn, etc. There are other champ combos that have enough of a kill potential to kill a ziggs early game. I don't think using a full setup of mana regen yellows in place of armor or health yellows is worth the risk of getting screwed over early game just so you can spam more bombs. | ||
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