EPT[Champion] Ziggs - Page 4
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GolemMadness
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Slusher
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ticklishmusic
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But yeah, basically unless you get off 2 procs (likely you'd need 3) of Lich Bane then DFG does more damage than it (not including the damage amp, which could work out to a pretty decent amount. I also used half the max damage ratio for the mine field. | ||
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GreggSauce
United States566 Posts
On July 15 2014 09:13 GolemMadness wrote: Why do you have two Zhonya's in one of those games... that was a game with zed/rengar or something like that in it, I just wanted to live through their initial burst before i zhonya'd it worked out. i didn't think i could kill them with DFG before I zhonya'd. I avoid LB because it puts you in range of being hurt, for the most part I just out cs laning phase, then team fight lobbing bombs 24/7 i'm still experimenting but I've lost the games i've experimented or didn't feel like what I did was that powerful. In my opinion a ziggs that always has mana and max cdr is much scarier than any other way ziggs could build. Also I doubt either dfg or lb are really "that" good on him. he doesn't really have a scary burst. his damage is more sustained, sure you can use all your skills with DFG and probably kill someone but I'd rather use that item slot for something else, maybe even a mejai's. Also he doesn't really "weave" his spells although they can be low enough cd to proc LB, if you're in range to throw an AA you're in range to be AA'd or gap closed on. Mejai's is really good on ziggs if you go for assists with your ult and go a fast zhonyas. I used it in a couple of my games. He's already maxed on cdr with my current build though so IDK. I'm actually experimenting with going athenes with yellow and blue scaling mana per second. It really does lower his burst by quite a lot but it lets you not have to build the morello and late game it's as strong as having a blue buff + morello I believe. Currently 10-4 with my ziggs, 1 loss couldn't be won, 1 game I did a troll build top lane =X, and the other 2 I didn't play right, so far I don't see anything wrong with the build. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On July 16 2014 08:15 GreggSauce wrote: Also I doubt either dfg or lb are really "that" good on him. he doesn't really have a scary burst. his damage is more sustained, sure you can use all your skills with DFG and probably kill someone but I'd rather use that item slot for something else, maybe even a mejai's. Also he doesn't really "weave" his spells although they can be low enough cd to proc LB, if you're in range to throw an AA you're in range to be AA'd or gap closed on. Ironically champions with multiple gap closers or tons of ways to get in (alkali, Jax, Fizz, Yasuo) is when LB is at it's best (well 2nd best, it's best when your team has a low range adc that can't get good tower damage) you need on-demand 100% accuracy burst of LB+Passive to make them diving you an unfavorable situation, without it one missed bouncing bomb and you just die. | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
Everything that morello provides as a last item can be achieved just by getting a blue buff other than the passive. Lich bane will simply be better the vast majority of the time. | ||
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GreggSauce
United States566 Posts
On July 16 2014 09:21 GolemMadness wrote: If you're getting lich bane as your last item, you'll probably have ~700 AP. It also does 75% of your base AD, so that's around another 80 damage. Combined with your passive, your auto will be hitting for over 800 damage. To compare, with 700 AP your Q's will do 710 damage. Everything that morello provides as a last item can be achieved just by getting a blue buff other than the passive. Lich bane will simply be better the vast majority of the time. blue buff isn't even enough, so no that's invalid, but I've switched to all scaling mana yellow an blues, one scaling cdr quint, and 2 ap/ms, still might adjust don't know yet. to everyone else, I just don't like lich bane for my play style, nothing is wrong with not building it. | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
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GreggSauce
United States566 Posts
On July 17 2014 07:59 GolemMadness wrote: How isn't blue buff enough? It gives more mana regen, it'll put you at max CDR since you're at 6 items and will have blue pot, and it gives the same AP as lich bane. So the only thing you're getting from morello is the passive. try it | ||
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