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Free Naut week so I've been trying him out. On paper, Naut doesn't seem ideal for either solo lane. He has no sustain for Top and melee+no sustain for Mid puts him in a lot of poor matchups. However, I've seen chu8 do very well with AP Naut.
That said, trying out Jungle Naut, I build utility the first few times (Regen+pot, Philo, Boots, HoG, Shurelya's, tanky...) and it went alright. But I felt like a weaker Maokai in a sense.
Last few games, I've done AP Naut and it seems ok.
9 21 0
AS Armor FlatMR MS
Smite/Ghost
Boots+pots, Catalyst, RoA, Merc/Tabi/Sorc, NLR, Zhonya's/Deathcap
WEWQWR, R > E > W > Q
The nice thing about AP Naut is that your E does respectable amount of damage mid/late game. For ganks, I typically initiate with Ghost+Auto if they are in lane. Walk up + Ulti if they're near the brush. Either way, it sets up for a rather easy Q follow up.
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On March 04 2012 05:56 NeoIllusions wrote:
Free Naut week so I've been trying him out. On paper, Naut doesn't seem ideal for either solo lane. He has no sustain for Top and melee+no sustain for Mid puts him in a lot of poor matchups. However, I've seen chu8 do very well with AP Naut.
That said, trying out Jungle Naut, I build utility the first few times (Regen+pot, Philo, Boots, HoG, Shurelya's, tanky...) and it went alright. But I felt like a weaker Maokai in a sense.
Last few games, I've done AP Naut and it seems ok.
9 21 0
AS Armor FlatMR MS
Smite/Ghost
Boots+pots, Catalyst, RoA, Merc/Tabi/Sorc, NLR, Zhonya's/Deathcap
WEWQWR, R > E > W > Q
The nice thing about AP Naut is that your E does respectable amount of damage mid/late game. For ganks, I typically initiate with Ghost+Auto if they are in lane. Walk up + Ulti if they're near the brush. Either way, it sets up for a rather easy Q follow up.
My friend and I tried him as a leona replacement in a panth + naut bot lane. We are pretty bad at executing the level 2 burst kill but it seemed really strong still.
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On March 04 2012 06:05 petered wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2012 05:56 NeoIllusions wrote:
Free Naut week so I've been trying him out. On paper, Naut doesn't seem ideal for either solo lane. He has no sustain for Top and melee+no sustain for Mid puts him in a lot of poor matchups. However, I've seen chu8 do very well with AP Naut.
That said, trying out Jungle Naut, I build utility the first few times (Regen+pot, Philo, Boots, HoG, Shurelya's, tanky...) and it went alright. But I felt like a weaker Maokai in a sense.
Last few games, I've done AP Naut and it seems ok.
9 21 0
AS Armor FlatMR MS
Smite/Ghost
Boots+pots, Catalyst, RoA, Merc/Tabi/Sorc, NLR, Zhonya's/Deathcap
WEWQWR, R > E > W > Q
The nice thing about AP Naut is that your E does respectable amount of damage mid/late game. For ganks, I typically initiate with Ghost+Auto if they are in lane. Walk up + Ulti if they're near the brush. Either way, it sets up for a rather easy Q follow up. My friend and I tried him as a leona replacement in a panth + naut bot lane. We are pretty bad at executing the level 2 burst kill but it seemed really strong still.
Yeah, I've been using Naut as Support bot.
/shrug
You have enough CC and tankiness that you can be a damn good tank, and in lane you like Blitzcrank.
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On March 04 2012 05:56 NeoIllusions wrote:
Free Naut week so I've been trying him out. On paper, Naut doesn't seem ideal for either solo lane. He has no sustain for Top and melee+no sustain for Mid puts him in a lot of poor matchups. However, I've seen chu8 do very well with AP Naut.
That said, trying out Jungle Naut, I build utility the first few times (Regen+pot, Philo, Boots, HoG, Shurelya's, tanky...) and it went alright. But I felt like a weaker Maokai in a sense.
I don't know. I max W first and I feel like I hit a lot harder than Maokai as long as I get a few auto-attacks in. How did you see Chu8 play him AP? I didn't catch it and I've been trying doran stack into Abyssal into whatever's needed. I don't like those guys advocating Rylai (all your spells already slow/stun, except maybe Q, and Rylai isn't proc'd by W, goddamn!) or WotA with max E.
Not even talking about warmogs or lichbane...
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Playing naut in jungle with Phys quints, as marks, armor seals and mr glpyhs. With 9/21 masteries. Going wriggles, phage, wits into mallet and then Aegis (if supp doesnt have) else just random tank items. You can be an insane pain to their carrys and peel for your carrys with just being big and a pain to everyone trying to attack them
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Wriggle's is a complete waste on Nautilus. He's tied for the third most atrocious base attack speed in the game (0.613, matched by Singed and beaten only by Annie and Morgana at 0.579) and has the worst scaling per level (0.98%). Moreover, his W gives him all the survivability and clear speed he needs, even on buff camps. Philo + HoG is much, much stronger on him.
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United States37500 Posts
On March 04 2012 07:30 Alaric wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2012 05:56 NeoIllusions wrote:
Free Naut week so I've been trying him out. On paper, Naut doesn't seem ideal for either solo lane. He has no sustain for Top and melee+no sustain for Mid puts him in a lot of poor matchups. However, I've seen chu8 do very well with AP Naut.
That said, trying out Jungle Naut, I build utility the first few times (Regen+pot, Philo, Boots, HoG, Shurelya's, tanky...) and it went alright. But I felt like a weaker Maokai in a sense. I don't know. I max W first and I feel like I hit a lot harder than Maokai as long as I get a few auto-attacks in. How did you see Chu8 play him AP? I didn't catch it and I've been trying doran stack into Abyssal into whatever's needed. I don't like those guys advocating Rylai (all your spells already slow/stun, except maybe Q, and Rylai isn't proc'd by W, goddamn!) or WotA with max E. Not even talking about warmogs or lichbane...
You hit harder than Mao but that's not saying much. Both are tanky support and hard to reach the enemy backline with Naut's slow ass.
Chu8 goes mid Naut. 1-2 GP10 into RoA Deathcap. I skip the GP10 and go RoA Cap Zhonya's. Build him like a AP Bruiser like you would Swain.
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On March 04 2012 14:36 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2012 07:30 Alaric wrote:On March 04 2012 05:56 NeoIllusions wrote:
Free Naut week so I've been trying him out. On paper, Naut doesn't seem ideal for either solo lane. He has no sustain for Top and melee+no sustain for Mid puts him in a lot of poor matchups. However, I've seen chu8 do very well with AP Naut.
That said, trying out Jungle Naut, I build utility the first few times (Regen+pot, Philo, Boots, HoG, Shurelya's, tanky...) and it went alright. But I felt like a weaker Maokai in a sense. I don't know. I max W first and I feel like I hit a lot harder than Maokai as long as I get a few auto-attacks in. How did you see Chu8 play him AP? I didn't catch it and I've been trying doran stack into Abyssal into whatever's needed. I don't like those guys advocating Rylai (all your spells already slow/stun, except maybe Q, and Rylai isn't proc'd by W, goddamn!) or WotA with max E. Not even talking about warmogs or lichbane... You hit harder than Mao but that's not saying much. Both are tanky support and hard to reach the enemy backline with Naut's slow ass. Chu8 goes mid Naut. 1-2 GP10 into RoA Deathcap. I skip the GP10 and go RoA Cap Zhonya's. Build him like a AP Bruiser like you would Swain.
You shouldn't be going for their backline with Nautilus, all you have to do is stand in between your AD carry and their team and protect them. Nautilus isn't a assassin, but he has maybe the most CC in the entire game.
Of course this all depends on having a decent AD/AP.
Building him AP is just....bad, you turn him basically into a suicide bomb where he just goes in and ER and then gets wrecked, and he doesnt do nearly enough damage for that to be worth it.
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ap natulius does huge burst lol so sick
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United States37500 Posts
On March 04 2012 15:11 sob3k wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2012 14:36 NeoIllusions wrote:On March 04 2012 07:30 Alaric wrote:On March 04 2012 05:56 NeoIllusions wrote:
Free Naut week so I've been trying him out. On paper, Naut doesn't seem ideal for either solo lane. He has no sustain for Top and melee+no sustain for Mid puts him in a lot of poor matchups. However, I've seen chu8 do very well with AP Naut.
That said, trying out Jungle Naut, I build utility the first few times (Regen+pot, Philo, Boots, HoG, Shurelya's, tanky...) and it went alright. But I felt like a weaker Maokai in a sense. I don't know. I max W first and I feel like I hit a lot harder than Maokai as long as I get a few auto-attacks in. How did you see Chu8 play him AP? I didn't catch it and I've been trying doran stack into Abyssal into whatever's needed. I don't like those guys advocating Rylai (all your spells already slow/stun, except maybe Q, and Rylai isn't proc'd by W, goddamn!) or WotA with max E. Not even talking about warmogs or lichbane... You hit harder than Mao but that's not saying much. Both are tanky support and hard to reach the enemy backline with Naut's slow ass. Chu8 goes mid Naut. 1-2 GP10 into RoA Deathcap. I skip the GP10 and go RoA Cap Zhonya's. Build him like a AP Bruiser like you would Swain. You shouldn't be going for their backline with Nautilus, all you have to do is stand in between your AD carry and their team and protect them. Nautilus isn't a assassin, but he has maybe the most CC in the entire game. Of course this all depends on having a decent AD/AP. Building him AP is just....bad, you turn him basically into a suicide bomb where he just goes in and ER and then gets wrecked, and he doesnt do nearly enough damage for that to be worth it.
RoA 450-630 HP for 3035
Shurelya's + HoG for 580 hp for 3025
It's a decent HP pool + level 3 W, he's not really a suicide bomb. Feels like he's doing more with AP than standing and tanking while doing minimal damage.
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On March 04 2012 06:32 iCanada wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2012 06:05 petered wrote:On March 04 2012 05:56 NeoIllusions wrote:
Free Naut week so I've been trying him out. On paper, Naut doesn't seem ideal for either solo lane. He has no sustain for Top and melee+no sustain for Mid puts him in a lot of poor matchups. However, I've seen chu8 do very well with AP Naut.
That said, trying out Jungle Naut, I build utility the first few times (Regen+pot, Philo, Boots, HoG, Shurelya's, tanky...) and it went alright. But I felt like a weaker Maokai in a sense.
Last few games, I've done AP Naut and it seems ok.
9 21 0
AS Armor FlatMR MS
Smite/Ghost
Boots+pots, Catalyst, RoA, Merc/Tabi/Sorc, NLR, Zhonya's/Deathcap
WEWQWR, R > E > W > Q
The nice thing about AP Naut is that your E does respectable amount of damage mid/late game. For ganks, I typically initiate with Ghost+Auto if they are in lane. Walk up + Ulti if they're near the brush. Either way, it sets up for a rather easy Q follow up. My friend and I tried him as a leona replacement in a panth + naut bot lane. We are pretty bad at executing the level 2 burst kill but it seemed really strong still. Yeah, I've been using Naut as Support bot. /shrug You have enough CC and tankiness that you can be a damn good tank, and in lane you like Blitzcrank.
the one time i played him i played him as support too, idk if i should max w or e first i did w and pulled off some sick tower dives really early but someone else said you max e in lane for... more damage? also it was awesome because i felt like i didn't have mana problems or scaling problems ever plus it was really fun
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On March 05 2012 05:55 unichan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2012 06:32 iCanada wrote:On March 04 2012 06:05 petered wrote:On March 04 2012 05:56 NeoIllusions wrote:
Free Naut week so I've been trying him out. On paper, Naut doesn't seem ideal for either solo lane. He has no sustain for Top and melee+no sustain for Mid puts him in a lot of poor matchups. However, I've seen chu8 do very well with AP Naut.
That said, trying out Jungle Naut, I build utility the first few times (Regen+pot, Philo, Boots, HoG, Shurelya's, tanky...) and it went alright. But I felt like a weaker Maokai in a sense.
Last few games, I've done AP Naut and it seems ok.
9 21 0
AS Armor FlatMR MS
Smite/Ghost
Boots+pots, Catalyst, RoA, Merc/Tabi/Sorc, NLR, Zhonya's/Deathcap
WEWQWR, R > E > W > Q
The nice thing about AP Naut is that your E does respectable amount of damage mid/late game. For ganks, I typically initiate with Ghost+Auto if they are in lane. Walk up + Ulti if they're near the brush. Either way, it sets up for a rather easy Q follow up. My friend and I tried him as a leona replacement in a panth + naut bot lane. We are pretty bad at executing the level 2 burst kill but it seemed really strong still. Yeah, I've been using Naut as Support bot. /shrug You have enough CC and tankiness that you can be a damn good tank, and in lane you like Blitzcrank. the one time i played him i played him as support too, idk if i should max w or e first i did w and pulled off some sick tower dives really early but someone else said you max e in lane for... more damage? also it was awesome because i felt like i didn't have mana problems or scaling problems ever plus it was really fun
I maxed W, just went straight up damage sponge. Pretty aggro, like Leona. Good with like Cait/MF.
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Man, every time I play nautilus I just think he's better and better. I seriously want to see him played in a tournament. His teamfighting is just so exceptional, pulling in runners and initiating too.
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Agree with you sob3k.
Played him a lot this weekend since he was free. Jungle mostly. I find his initial run is a bit slow and dangerous, as you depend a lot on W being active.
I played him as tank with max CDR. The amount of CC you can lay on battles is incredible, protecting your carry or initiating like a boss.
Also, I think he has the best /joke and /dance of the game
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He seems like a viable disrupter akin to Cho Gath, so he will probably see some tournament play in the future. I don't think he's better than Cho because cho's scream spamming is way more disruptive, and you won't see people out of position enough to take advantage of nautilus' ability to catch people.
That said, as a jungler Nautilus' ganks are really strong which is a big plus. Dunno how good his laning is.
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I've been doing the philo/hog into roa+deathcap for a few games now, but as a jungler (his clearing speed is insane with blue buff, using qs to speed up the traveling)
I max w first because it's low mana for in jungle, and if you gank and can keep it up during the gank its pretty sick damage.
This way I can usually shoot for a 16-17 min roa (boots t1, philo, hog) which makes you pretty tanky and damagy for buff/dragon fights.
Really sadface that i bought fiona and not nautilus after playing him a bit :<
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I advocate roa triforce abyssal build. Real fun times to be had in dominion anyways. Havn't had a chance to try in SR.
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IMO if someone on the enemy team grabs Naut you can just grab Olaf. Ult through his cc, pop his shield with your e, then just do your job on the enemy while Naut sits there looking stupid.
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Why do people want to go triforce/lichbane on him? He usually cast his spells in combos to chain-cc the target or catch a max of people, and has long cooldowns. You won't be throwing dem procs.
I tried him double dring into abyssal, he's doing surprising damage, the problem is a single E will never one shot the wave and you'll eat free harass while you have to finish off the minions in melee range, so I max W, and even then there are good pushers or nukers that can pop your shield before you finishes off the minions.
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On March 06 2012 00:36 Alaric wrote:
Why do people want to go triforce/lichbane on him? He usually cast his spells in combos to chain-cc the target or catch a max of people, and has long cooldowns. You won't be throwing dem procs.
I tried him double dring into abyssal, he's doing surprising damage, the problem is a single E will never one shot the wave and you'll eat free harass while you have to finish off the minions in melee range, so I max W, and even then there are good pushers or nukers that can pop your shield before you finishes off the minions.
You only have to 1shot the archers with e, and use 1-2 auto attacks while w is up on melee creeps -> wave cleared.
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