EPT[Champion] Nautilus - Page 6
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koreasilver
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On July 06 2012 09:29 Alaric wrote: I still don't like not having 2 levels of W asap, but I guess if I do it your way then I'll have done the red buff already, so hitting 4 from small camps wouldn't as much of a hassle. yeah, seems like redbuff can pretend to be W in a pinch anyway. | ||
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
I've been playing support Naut (building standard support builds) for the past half year and had favorable matchups vs almost every lane. It's very similar to Blitz lanes, cept that I always find myself winning because Naut does more damage. Anyways, curious if anyone else has tried this successfully. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Twinmold
Sweden238 Posts
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Imperium11
United States279 Posts
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Tooplark
United States3977 Posts
On October 30 2012 04:56 Zdrastochye wrote: So I'm curious for all those support players... I've been playing support Naut (building standard support builds) for the past half year and had favorable matchups vs almost every lane. It's very similar to Blitz lanes, cept that I always find myself winning because Naut does more damage. Anyways, curious if anyone else has tried this successfully. My brother plays a lot of Nautilus, so we occasionally end up duoing bot with him as a support. I'm always hesitant to engage, but he does anyways and suddenly we win the fight. The shield is so good for damage and survivability, as long as Naut has someone to cover him as he gets out. We've had success with Naut/Twitch and Naut/Varus, since those are the two I play the most, but we've also had some success with dunklanes like Naut/Leona or Naut/Xin. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
I'm not too sure what to build... Locket's good, aegis of course, but I'm at a bit of a loss regarding MR: I feel like I don't have enough MR with just bulwark + runes (I often get mobos), and with the rarer slots (sighstone, spirit stone, flask, boots already take a lot before I start selling) I can't really sit on a negatron. I also feel like CDR sources are reduced, with Shurelya's nerf (I don't even get it anyway, I buy a kindlegem that I'll turn into locket because double shield so good for baits), frozen heart isn't as good rushing, randuin's doesn't give anymore... I can easily run myself kinda oom even with spiritstone and mp5 mastery because his spells are kinda expensive (140 to 180 per camp depending on E's level) so I was thinking about maybe getting a chalice into crucible if my support doesn't build it (or if we're doing a very protective comp), since Naut excels at peeling anyway that could compliment his kit. Crucible's actually pretty cheap, only 2200 gold, I thought a few hundreds more. I feel a bit low on HP when I only have locket+aegis, it gets a little better once I upgrade my sightstone though. So I'd aim at a final build something like... - whatever boots, up to cdr if I need to (cdr boots better than mobos in teamfights anyway). - aegis as a core, into bulwark, later FH/randuin's for the armor - early locket if I can, just to abuse the shield during ganks/counteganks, and get the cdr+hp5 - chalice->crucible if the support doesn't buy it so I can protect even better and I have some MR - abyssal as an offensive option if I get the chance, wit's end if I get reeeeeally fed early on - shurelya if we need it and noone else builds it So boots/locket/bulwark, then one of FH/randuin's for armor, one of abyssal/crucible for MR, and one of those I didn't get or a sighstone depending on the needs. Probably sighstone. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
I am unsure about how large his mana problems are, either just straight up rush Locket or if mana problems get bad getting Flask first is hopefully enough. Locket synergizes great with him, because you can protect your shield with that shield and profit, it's brilliant. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On December 16 2012 10:13 Scip wrote: I am pretty sure you were always supposed to max W first on him. I am unsure about how large his mana problems are, either just straight up rush Locket or if mana problems get bad getting Flask first is hopefully enough. Locket synergizes great with him, because you can protect your shield with that shield and profit, it's brilliant. Was doing that against a fed Ahri when their Skarner liked to abuse this to ult me (since I was hanging at the front anyway). Then suddenly I had around 600 HP worth of shield and they had burnt everything on me, so I'd just use that to blow my cooldowns and walk away, ready to get back in with my next rotation. | ||
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rhs408
United States904 Posts
On December 16 2012 09:28 Tooplark wrote: My brother plays a lot of Nautilus, so we occasionally end up duoing bot with him as a support. I'm always hesitant to engage, but he does anyways and suddenly we win the fight. The shield is so good for damage and survivability, as long as Naut has someone to cover him as he gets out. We've had success with Naut/Twitch and Naut/Varus, since those are the two I play the most, but we've also had some success with dunklanes like Naut/Leona or Naut/Xin. I played support naut in 4 games tonight, won 3 of them (the one we lost we had leaver). He's really good at taking hits and annoying the crap out of whoever is bottom lane. He also doesn't hurt much from not getting any cs as long as you rush a philo. Btw, his /joke works amazingly well at making the enemy team initiate when they shouldn't, or to at least get one guy out of position (someone will pretty much always try to use an ability on you) to where you can hook him to his death! | ||
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mockturtle
United States220 Posts
atm i am running flat cdr quints and glyphs, attack speed marks, and armor yellows with 4-23-3 masteries, i build machete5->boots of mobility->philo stone->kindlegem->turn kindlegem into a locket->make the decision between shurelias, randuins, warmogs, aegis. the active on shurelias is really great with someone like nautilus but becoming super beefy is also pretty nice. having all the up front cdr is super nice. nautilus lives and dies on his W, it's not just a big shield but also where he gets a ton of damage. before i sucked it up and bought the CDR glyphs i was actually pretty happy with using mana regen glyphs and skipping a philosopher's stone. theres a few things i'm not so sure about. im not sure if my masteries could be better, if i could get away with skipping or subbing the philosopher's stone for something cheaper so i can get a faster locket, if and when i should get a sightstone. i also wonder about the value of a madreds on him since it is so cost efficient, would give him a little extra boost to his jungling that doesn't tax his mana. im still trying to figure all this stuff out but i think nautilus is quite undervalued by popular opinion! i'm surprised he doesn't have any fans on tl :p | ||
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NpG)Explosive
France994 Posts
On February 02 2013 00:15 mockturtle wrote: I eventually settled on mostly playing nautilus out of the jungle since my old favorite amumu became a constant ban. atm i am running flat cdr quints and glyphs, attack speed marks, and armor yellows with 4-23-3 masteries, i build machete5->boots of mobility->philo stone->kindlegem->turn kindlegem into a locket->make the decision between shurelias, randuins, warmogs, aegis. the active on shurelias is really great with someone like nautilus but becoming super beefy is also pretty nice. having all the up front cdr is super nice. nautilus lives and dies on his W, it's not just a big shield but also where he gets a ton of damage. before i sucked it up and bought the CDR glyphs i was actually pretty happy with using mana regen glyphs and skipping a philosopher's stone. theres a few things i'm not so sure about. im not sure if my masteries could be better, if i could get away with skipping or subbing the philosopher's stone for something cheaper so i can get a faster locket, if and when i should get a sightstone. i also wonder about the value of a madreds on him since it is so cost efficient, would give him a little extra boost to his jungling that doesn't tax his mana. im still trying to figure all this stuff out but i think nautilus is quite undervalued by popular opinion! i'm surprised he doesn't have any fans on tl :p Is there any reason you're not getting spirit stone instead of machete+philo? The upgrade is cheaper than philo and covers your health and mana regen. The extra damage on the jungle also mean you can save some mana clearing it. | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
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lurked
Canada918 Posts
On February 02 2013 00:15 mockturtle wrote: ...i'm surprised he doesn't have any fans on tl :p Hey, I'm a huge fan of Nautilus! He's by far my favorite jungler, and one of my favorite-looking champion. I build him pure tank and really take pride in my peeling for the carries, as he does an extremely good job at that. I'm a bit surprised you go for the CDR glyphs, any reason in particular? Easier jungling, or idk? I go for the MR or MR/lvl glyphs, and the rest of my runes are the same as you. I always start machete+5pots, then rush boots of mobility and spirit stone. At this point, you can jungle non-stop, be in every lane at once, and uou can really easily set the pace of the game. I usually build him pure tank+cdr, but sometimes throw in an Abyssal Scepter and/or Rod of Ages if it's going too smoothly or if we need some magic dmg. But yeah, I think the same as you; I don't understand why he isn't played more than he actually is, but I don't mind at all, it means that people aren't really used to react well vs him, and I can keep him for myself! ^^ On February 02 2013 01:31 sob3k wrote: Madreds on nautilus? Dear god why, his AS is like a frozen snail with arthritis. I never tried Madred's on Nautilus, it never seemed like an obvious choice, any thoughts on why it would be a good purchase? | ||
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
On February 02 2013 01:53 lurked wrote: Hey, I'm a huge fan of Nautilus! He's by far my favorite jungler, and one of my favorite-looking champion. I build him pure tank and really take pride in my peeling for the carries, as he does an extremely good job at that. I'm a bit surprised you go for the CDR glyphs, any reason in particular? Easier jungling, or idk? I go for the MR or MR/lvl glyphs, and the rest of my runes are the same as you. I always start machete+5pots, then rush boots of mobility and spirit stone. At this point, you can jungle non-stop, be in every lane at once, and uou can really easily set the pace of the game. I usually build him pure tank+cdr, but sometimes throw in an Abyssal Scepter and/or Rod of Ages if it's going too smoothly or if we need some magic dmg. But yeah, I think the same as you; I don't understand why he isn't played more than he actually is, but I don't mind at all, it means that people aren't really used to react well vs him, and I can keep him for myself! ^^ I never tried Madred's on Nautilus, it never seemed like an obvious choice, any thoughts on why it would be a good purchase? It wouldnt | ||
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Haasts
New Zealand4445 Posts
On February 03 2013 07:11 Alaric wrote: It's so hard to gank as Nautilus before level 4 and not gimp your clearing speed. Well, it already was previously, but the health increase on the big monsters makes him even more reliant on his shield (E gives some AoE in the worst case, but the damage's too low for a single target).  I feel that it makes him very awkward to pick when one of your lanes will need early pressure (something like a Kass, or laning against Renekton/Darius/Xin), and the knowledge that he's amongst the junglers who can't do a level 3 doublebuff route and gank afterwards is also gimping (probably not at my Elo as people won't know to abuse it, but it certainly hurts in organised play). Sadness. I've found the opposite - last two ranked games I've ended up playing Naut on purple side, and both games thanks to my team I managed to go wolves/Smiteless blue/wraiths/red with Smite, grab Q, and gank top. Since the small minions die a lot more easily from W/E AOE, not having the second point in W doesn't slow you down as much as it used to, or at least you take slightly less incidental damage. Need to muck around with grabbing CDR boots instead of Mobos and seeing if I can skip Glacial Shroud altogether with the armor gained from Locket/Aegis/Spirit of the Elder Golem. | ||
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