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On January 05 2012 02:29 stormtemplar wrote:
Question. In lane, how do I know how aggressive to be? In a void, I'm winning every lane I play, but it feels like past river I get ganked every 3 seconds and escape is difficult. I ward a lot, but It never seems to be enough. How do I know if I'm being to pushy in lane?
Also: Thanks for this, this guide is the main reason I'm up about 100 elo points. I feel so strong as panth now.
If you ward the correct spots, I am pretty sure you just need to work on your map awareness. While you struggle doing that, try to stay behind river as much as possible and establish movement patterns that barely let you get the last hits but keep you as far away from their turret as possible. Another indicator of being able to be aggressive is when their jungler is ganking another lane. This should instantly trigger an impulse to push your lane.
Unrelated: TIL how strong Pantheon is. Have been winning every lane I played today, even against 2 Rumbles, even though they started DShield and were 21/9/0, so that might not say too much.
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Bought him today. 3/0 in ranked with him with a 4.1 KDA.
Two times VS GP, they had 10 cs by 8 minutes, once VS Riven, was way harder @_@
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On January 05 2012 06:25 mr_tolkien wrote:
Bought him today. 3/0 in ranked with him with a 4.1 KDA.
Two times VS GP, they had 10 cs by 8 minutes, once VS Riven, was way harder @_@
i mean i see that u did that and thats why it doesnt matter, but dont u first play normals before going on ranked if u literally just bought a new hero? :x
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On January 05 2012 06:49 OutlaW- wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2012 06:25 mr_tolkien wrote:
Bought him today. 3/0 in ranked with him with a 4.1 KDA.
Two times VS GP, they had 10 cs by 8 minutes, once VS Riven, was way harder @_@ i mean i see that u did that and thats why it doesnt matter, but dont u first play normals before going on ranked if u literally just bought a new hero? :x
SPOILER ALERT : normal is like ranked with no stats. Same characters. Same damages. Same XP.
So for that matter >.>
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well by playing bad(which is completely reasonable) with a champion you've never tried before in normals you don't bring down elo of other players and also have a more free way to learn
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On January 05 2012 06:54 OutlaW- wrote:
well by playing bad(which is completely reasonable) with a champion you've never tried before in normals you don't bring down elo of other players and also have a more free way to learn
You're way too sensitive about what Elo means, and I won my 3 games with him @_@ It's like Skarner, I never played him outside ranked and I have an 80% win rate with him, straightforward chars like this don't need a lot of training. Let's not derail the thread further and be back to MANTHEON :
When do you use this friggin ult except for ganking and when your team engages a teamfight ? It feels so hard to use really properly from lvl6 to 10 (when you're expected to still be in lane) :/
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On January 05 2012 07:12 mr_tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2012 06:54 OutlaW- wrote:
well by playing bad(which is completely reasonable) with a champion you've never tried before in normals you don't bring down elo of other players and also have a more free way to learn You're way too sensitive about what Elo means, and I won my 3 games with him @_@ It's like Skarner, I never played him outside ranked and I have an 80% win rate with him, straightforward chars like this don't need a lot of training. Let's not derail the thread further and be back to MANTHEON : When do you use this friggin ult except for ganking ? It feels so hard to place properly :/
Waiting for someone on your team to initiate then ulting everyone for ~800damage is the best.
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On January 05 2012 07:13 JackDino wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2012 07:12 mr_tolkien wrote:On January 05 2012 06:54 OutlaW- wrote:
well by playing bad(which is completely reasonable) with a champion you've never tried before in normals you don't bring down elo of other players and also have a more free way to learn You're way too sensitive about what Elo means, and I won my 3 games with him @_@ It's like Skarner, I never played him outside ranked and I have an 80% win rate with him, straightforward chars like this don't need a lot of training. Let's not derail the thread further and be back to MANTHEON : When do you use this friggin ult except for ganking ? It feels so hard to place properly :/ Waiting for someone on your team to initiate then ulting everyone for ~800damage is the best.
You're so fast that you couldn't read my edit XD My biggest question is during laning phase (around 6+), are you supposed to have a use for your ult ?
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On January 05 2012 07:14 mr_tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2012 07:13 JackDino wrote:On January 05 2012 07:12 mr_tolkien wrote:On January 05 2012 06:54 OutlaW- wrote:
well by playing bad(which is completely reasonable) with a champion you've never tried before in normals you don't bring down elo of other players and also have a more free way to learn You're way too sensitive about what Elo means, and I won my 3 games with him @_@ It's like Skarner, I never played him outside ranked and I have an 80% win rate with him, straightforward chars like this don't need a lot of training. Let's not derail the thread further and be back to MANTHEON : When do you use this friggin ult except for ganking ? It feels so hard to place properly :/ Waiting for someone on your team to initiate then ulting everyone for ~800damage is the best. You're so fast that you couldn't read my edit XD My biggest question is during laning phase (around 6+), are you supposed to have a use for your ult ?
only to get back to lane quickly
i don't take ult til level 8, 10, or 11 usually
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On January 05 2012 07:17 deskscaress wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2012 07:14 mr_tolkien wrote:On January 05 2012 07:13 JackDino wrote:On January 05 2012 07:12 mr_tolkien wrote:On January 05 2012 06:54 OutlaW- wrote:
well by playing bad(which is completely reasonable) with a champion you've never tried before in normals you don't bring down elo of other players and also have a more free way to learn You're way too sensitive about what Elo means, and I won my 3 games with him @_@ It's like Skarner, I never played him outside ranked and I have an 80% win rate with him, straightforward chars like this don't need a lot of training. Let's not derail the thread further and be back to MANTHEON : When do you use this friggin ult except for ganking ? It feels so hard to place properly :/ Waiting for someone on your team to initiate then ulting everyone for ~800damage is the best. You're so fast that you couldn't read my edit XD My biggest question is during laning phase (around 6+), are you supposed to have a use for your ult ? only to get back to lane quickly i don't take ult til level 8, 10, or 11 usually
Meh. I always get it at 6 cause u never know if an opportunity to do a three man gank with ur jungler on other lanes, notably mid, will arise. I know I've also used it once to escape certain death after tower diving my opponent since the enemy jungler and mid lane was coming to cut me off and his ulti has shorter channel time than recall.
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On January 05 2012 07:19 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2012 07:17 deskscaress wrote:On January 05 2012 07:14 mr_tolkien wrote:On January 05 2012 07:13 JackDino wrote:On January 05 2012 07:12 mr_tolkien wrote:On January 05 2012 06:54 OutlaW- wrote:
well by playing bad(which is completely reasonable) with a champion you've never tried before in normals you don't bring down elo of other players and also have a more free way to learn You're way too sensitive about what Elo means, and I won my 3 games with him @_@ It's like Skarner, I never played him outside ranked and I have an 80% win rate with him, straightforward chars like this don't need a lot of training. Let's not derail the thread further and be back to MANTHEON : When do you use this friggin ult except for ganking ? It feels so hard to place properly :/ Waiting for someone on your team to initiate then ulting everyone for ~800damage is the best. You're so fast that you couldn't read my edit XD My biggest question is during laning phase (around 6+), are you supposed to have a use for your ult ? only to get back to lane quickly i don't take ult til level 8, 10, or 11 usually Meh. I always get it at 6 cause u never know if an opportunity to do a three man gank with ur jungles on other lanes, notably mid, will arise.
Ya. Ulting into a gank is one of the most satisfying things in the game. You can almost hear all the other players going "oh shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit" and running away like scared critters.
Also, its nice to ult onto a big stack of minions when returning to lane and instaclearing them. Those are the main times i use my ult in the laning phase.
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On January 05 2012 07:14 mr_tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2012 07:13 JackDino wrote:On January 05 2012 07:12 mr_tolkien wrote:On January 05 2012 06:54 OutlaW- wrote:
well by playing bad(which is completely reasonable) with a champion you've never tried before in normals you don't bring down elo of other players and also have a more free way to learn You're way too sensitive about what Elo means, and I won my 3 games with him @_@ It's like Skarner, I never played him outside ranked and I have an 80% win rate with him, straightforward chars like this don't need a lot of training. Let's not derail the thread further and be back to MANTHEON : When do you use this friggin ult except for ganking ? It feels so hard to place properly :/ Waiting for someone on your team to initiate then ulting everyone for ~800damage is the best. You're so fast that you couldn't read my edit XD My biggest question is during laning phase (around 6+), are you supposed to have a use for your ult ?
Sometimes, when my lane is reaaaaally far pushed and I have just killed someone, I'll back and gank bot with my ult. I usually make it back top without losing too much XP.
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Got my first loss. I killed GP 4 times in lane, but he had decent CS (around 100 at 20 minutes, I had 200) because my team failed a lvl1 gank on him and he lived at 1HP with my ignite... So, I had no ignite, and couldn't finish him off when he was creeping with Q.
I ended the game 16/6/6 but the bott lane was way too heavy to carry :'(
Man Pantheon is fun but he is hard as well, especially the passive.
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yeah the passive is so rewarding, especially against gp
he puts all of his hope on his Qs and u negate 2 of them in a row, oh yeah
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Canada5009 Posts
Hahaha, just played a game where they sent Karma top against my Pantheon. Their Lee Sin didn't even try a gank until I was 4/0 and level 9, which is way too late to do anything.
So far in my Pantheon playing the only person that's given me any real trouble has been Cho'Gath stacking armor, how do you deal with that? I went Last Whisper first but then the game got funky and for some reason we kept having teamfights toplane, so I never really got to lane extensively against Cho after that. Even so, it didn't seem like I was doing anywhere near enough damage to prevent him from just farming and regening what I hit him with.
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I use my ult to flee, to finish off an enemy that ran past his tower, whenever I'm in range and there's somebody recalling or fleeing that you can ult (mid between the first two turrets for example), or when I get ganked and tower-dived, once my shit's on cd and I know I won't dodge them, I just cast my ult to gain that 1.5s where they can't target me but still get hit by the turret. Managed a double kill like that once, against Lee Sin and I think Wukong (I still died tho).
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On January 05 2012 08:34 Alzadar wrote:
Hahaha, just played a game where they sent Karma top against my Pantheon. Their Lee Sin didn't even try a gank until I was 4/0 and level 9, which is way too late to do anything.
So far in my Pantheon playing the only person that's given me any real trouble has been Cho'Gath stacking armor, how do you deal with that? I went Last Whisper first but then the game got funky and for some reason we kept having teamfights toplane, so I never really got to lane extensively against Cho after that. Even so, it didn't seem like I was doing anywhere near enough damage to prevent him from just farming and regening what I hit him with.
I think that Panth should only be picked against melee bruisers. He is very prone to counter picking, but is wonderful in certain match ups. Am I right ? I just 1v1d with a friend playing Riven, and I went 3/0 with him having 15cs at 10 minutes, knowing we're on the same elo.
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armor stacking malphites or chos are pretty much impossible to win.
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I'm supposed to crush Renekton, right? I got edged by him 3 times in a row and the third time was because of Lee Sin. I think if I took havoc I woulda got the first kill too  .
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mmm, if he gets solid jungle presence up until level 6, it's hard, but 1v1, you ruin him pre-6. as with all renekton matchups though, it changes completely when he hits 6....
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