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United States37500 Posts
On December 26 2012 11:31 Tula wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2012 11:12 VayneAuthority wrote:
You max Q top lane because of E's mana costs and because you should be running full armor pen. You can trade with Q up every 5 seconds very well and dont have to waste precious mana on E.
max E looks way better in jungle though personally i put my first point into E at level 4 when jungling (QWQEEREEQE basically) because you do need 2 points in Q and one in W to jungle efficiently. For ganks the lower CD and higher slow on E is pretty mandatory. You'll seldom get off more than one Q when ganking the solo lanes, but sometimes when they flash the cooldown of E is just short enough to run them down. In Top lane on the other hand I always max Q simply because it is more mana efficient to trade with Q every few seconds. Curiously, does anyone buy hybrid items on xin to use his AP ratio on E and W? Personally I experimented with rageblade, but even as top lane I don't feel I have the money to afford it. Straight up tank items with a smattering of damage (phage and ghostblade basically) seem to pay off far more.
I read someone who posted earlier in this Xin thread about an AP Xin stomping people but I can't imagine a proper item path that wouldn't turn Xin into an AP glass cannon @_@
Xin already has fairly atrocious base stats.
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R>E>Q>W, Bruta first then Locket Top Xin is hilarious against any physical damage dealing champion. Always all-in, never not all-in.
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On December 26 2012 11:34 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2012 11:31 Tula wrote:On December 26 2012 11:12 VayneAuthority wrote:
You max Q top lane because of E's mana costs and because you should be running full armor pen. You can trade with Q up every 5 seconds very well and dont have to waste precious mana on E.
max E looks way better in jungle though personally i put my first point into E at level 4 when jungling (QWQEEREEQE basically) because you do need 2 points in Q and one in W to jungle efficiently. For ganks the lower CD and higher slow on E is pretty mandatory. You'll seldom get off more than one Q when ganking the solo lanes, but sometimes when they flash the cooldown of E is just short enough to run them down. In Top lane on the other hand I always max Q simply because it is more mana efficient to trade with Q every few seconds. Curiously, does anyone buy hybrid items on xin to use his AP ratio on E and W? Personally I experimented with rageblade, but even as top lane I don't feel I have the money to afford it. Straight up tank items with a smattering of damage (phage and ghostblade basically) seem to pay off far more. I read someone who posted earlier in this Xin thread about an AP Xin stomping people but I can't imagine a proper item path that wouldn't turn Xin into an AP glass cannon @_@ Xin already has fairly atrocious base stats.
Nashor's, Rageblade, Spirit visage, and something like Locket to cap you on CDR/get more armor?
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On December 26 2012 11:31 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2012 11:12 VayneAuthority wrote:
You max Q top lane because of E's mana costs and because you should be running full armor pen. You can trade with Q up every 5 seconds very well and dont have to waste precious mana on E.
max E looks way better in jungle though My thinking is the opposite. You activate Q in lane, your opponent is not going to let you land all 3 hits of Q on them if they're even remotely competent. Leveling E increases to slow and the likelihood of you landing your Q as a follow up. In Jungle, make use of the AD ratio of Q against inanimate creeps. I'd only use QW in Jungle, not E. Use E as gapcloser for ganks and hope the lane you're ganking for has additional CC so you can make use of your max'd Q.
the secret to xin is learning to auto move with his Q so that you land all 3 hits without having to use E. My account is Bin just so I have credentials when speaking about Xin, he is my most played by far lately with a 70+ winrate
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On December 26 2012 11:34 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2012 11:31 Tula wrote:On December 26 2012 11:12 VayneAuthority wrote:
You max Q top lane because of E's mana costs and because you should be running full armor pen. You can trade with Q up every 5 seconds very well and dont have to waste precious mana on E.
max E looks way better in jungle though personally i put my first point into E at level 4 when jungling (QWQEEREEQE basically) because you do need 2 points in Q and one in W to jungle efficiently. For ganks the lower CD and higher slow on E is pretty mandatory. You'll seldom get off more than one Q when ganking the solo lanes, but sometimes when they flash the cooldown of E is just short enough to run them down. In Top lane on the other hand I always max Q simply because it is more mana efficient to trade with Q every few seconds. Curiously, does anyone buy hybrid items on xin to use his AP ratio on E and W? Personally I experimented with rageblade, but even as top lane I don't feel I have the money to afford it. Straight up tank items with a smattering of damage (phage and ghostblade basically) seem to pay off far more. I read someone who posted earlier in this Xin thread about an AP Xin stomping people but I can't imagine a proper item path that wouldn't turn Xin into an AP glass cannon @_@ Xin already has fairly atrocious base stats.
He wasn't "stomping people", but he was absurdly strong at dueling. (This was queuing with some scrubby friends.)
He engaged Warwick + Soraka with like 300 health and came out with twice that much and a double kill.
However, he was very glass cannon and just died in teamfights.
His build was Nashor's, Rageblade, and I don't remember what else. I think FMallet and GA?
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well that's not really an AP build, but those items are indeed strong on xin although unpractical. If you wanna build for damage those are what you would get.
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0 reason to get nashor's when zephyr is in the game, zephyr gives everything good that nashor's gives without the AP, + more goodies
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On December 27 2012 05:19 gtrsrs wrote:
0 reason to get nashor's when zephyr is in the game, zephyr gives everything good that nashor's gives without the AP, + more goodies
20 vs. 10 CDR is a pretty big difference. I agree with you for the most part, but nashor's gets you to the magic 40% CDR much quicker than zephyr, which is relevant. It's just that there is enough good CDR itemization in the game right now that you can adapt the build path to get your 40% CDR anyway.
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yeah, with FH and BC you don't need nashor, and i feel like getting at least 1 of those is core on xin (and i hog blue buff because my mid is bad, always, regardless of who it is)
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Can u give a newbie advice on this hero? What items to buy or what spells to use. Or maybe I should switch to another hero? Thanks in advance :D
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how do you guys pronounce xin's name? "Shin" zhao? "Zin" Zhao?
I CANT STAND IT ANYMORE
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On December 29 2012 16:35 Navi wrote:
how do you guys pronounce xin's name? "Shin" zhao? "Zin" Zhao?
I CANT STAND IT ANYMORE
I pronounce it "Win Now."
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On December 29 2012 16:35 Navi wrote:
how do you guys pronounce xin's name? "Shin" zhao? "Zin" Zhao?
I CANT STAND IT ANYMORE
shin
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all my chinese friends say shin zhao so i use that 
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Pitcairn19291 Posts
Its actually more Sheen than Shin.
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Sorry but this is not easy to understand for me. Can u explain? What items to buy when?
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On December 29 2012 19:59 SixSongs wrote:Sorry but this is not easy to understand for me. Can u explain? What items to buy when?
It all depends on how the game is going. It'd be dumb going the same build in the same order every game, cause every game differs. Learn to think and get a feel for what you need to get in order for you to be useful every game. Plus whats hard to understand? He lists like 4 items in a one liner...
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On December 29 2012 16:35 Navi wrote:
how do you guys pronounce xin's name? "Shin" zhao? "Zin" Zhao?
I CANT STAND IT ANYMORE
kszin zao
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On December 29 2012 16:35 Navi wrote:
how do you guys pronounce xin's name? "Shin" zhao? "Zin" Zhao?
I CANT STAND IT ANYMORE
Chinese pronunciation would be pretty close to "Sheen Draoh", barely pronouncing the "D" or not pronouncing it at all.
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