EPTEither is fine though, depending on what you want.
[Champion] Gragas - Page 4
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
Either is fine though, depending on what you want. | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On February 08 2014 09:10 chalice wrote: is W or E the standard second skill to max? maybe E max with athene's, W first without the chalice regen? the damage reduction + free mana is pretty huge tbh. | ||
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dae
Canada1600 Posts
On February 08 2014 19:21 arb wrote: the damage reduction + free mana is pretty huge tbh. If your not going athenes first item not maxing W second is kinda stupid. You really need the mana at that point. With athenes, I usually only go 2 points in w then max e for the cdr. | ||
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Bam Lee
2336 Posts
On February 09 2014 08:11 dae wrote: If your not going athenes first item not maxing W second is kinda stupid. You really need the mana at that point. With athenes, I usually only go 2 points in w then max e for the cdr. E has a fixed CD it isn't lowered with levels Usually W is maxed 2nd because of the dmg reduction and free mana. While the 40 body slam damage are kinda tempting they are rarely needed to finish somebody off and if you ever body slam offensively the dmg reduction and additional ad are pretty useful in a duel. But I guess you can also argue the W scaling is not that great to justify putting more points into it. I always go W max | ||
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57 Corvette
Canada5941 Posts
On February 09 2014 20:28 Bam Lee wrote: E has a fixed CD it isn't lowered with levels Usually W is maxed 2nd because of the dmg reduction and free mana. While the 40 body slam damage are kinda tempting they are rarely needed to finish somebody off and if you ever body slam offensively the dmg reduction and additional ad are pretty useful in a duel. But I guess you can also argue the W scaling is not that great to justify putting more points into it. I always go W max From what I've noticed, you don't really duel with gragas. You poke them to whatever hp and the surpriseEQRIgnite and they are dead. I've been maxing E even when going deathcap first. I would only really max W if the opponent laner got ahead early and is zoning/harassing you a lot. | ||
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imBLIND
United States2626 Posts
On February 10 2014 06:12 57 Corvette wrote: From what I've noticed, you don't really duel with gragas. You poke them to whatever hp and the surpriseEQRIgnite and they are dead. I've been maxing E even when going deathcap first. I would only really max W if the opponent laner got ahead early and is zoning/harassing you a lot. unless you're playing yasuo. | ||
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miicah
Australia2470 Posts
On February 10 2014 06:12 57 Corvette wrote: From what I've noticed, you don't really duel with gragas. You poke them to whatever hp and the surpriseEQRIgnite and they are dead. I've been maxing E even when going deathcap first. I would only really max W if the opponent laner got ahead early and is zoning/harassing you a lot. And if you do duel him you lose to pot+W+enhanced autos. Damn I love Gragas. | ||
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SagaZ
France3460 Posts
Start W at toad or double golems, lvl 2 E or Q, (I personally prefer E). max Q first, then W. Full tank items, you do a lot of damage without items, I usually go for the chilling smite thing, ranger is also a very good option, i have even seen some people go for the red smite. you become a monster tank, amazing sustain, and you do tons of damage. | ||
GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
So depending on how charged the Q is, W outdamages Q on targets with 1000-3000 health. The increased slow is nice, but the damage reduction (with any CDR you have permanent W uptime) + increased DPS (because of W's inherently lower cooldown) seems to make up for it. | ||
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SagaZ
France3460 Posts
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