EPTHe is unparalleled...doesn't miss any Qs, owns his lane like a boss. Only character he can really play though.
[Champion] Karthus - Page 7
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
He is unparalleled...doesn't miss any Qs, owns his lane like a boss. Only character he can really play though. | ||
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Unentschieden
Germany1471 Posts
A few interesting things: Hextech sweeper will reveal everyone hit by the ultimate. Turning defile ON will break captures but turning it OFF won´t. And just a reminder: his autoattack is literally the worst in the game, it´s replaced by his Q basically. | ||
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MyTHicaL
France1070 Posts
Karthus is by far my favourite hero, no not because I love to press R; even though its insane to see the amount of retards incapable of picking up a hexdrinker and then proceeding to complain about imbalances... Karthus' strong point is not his R! NEVER build archangel staff on him NEVER. I mean come on guys, mana isn't a problem after early game- you should be picking up your team's blue every time and I can't imagine straying from a very simple build... 1. Doran's ring (only if you plan/CAN be agressive ie; you are not facing a Brand, Orianna, Xerath, LB, and there are a couple of others that will simply own you without boots. 2. Sorc Shoes (duh) 3. Meijais unless you feel very underconfident; in which case I hope you didn't ask for solo mid in ranked. 4. Rod of ages 5. This is where personal preferance comes into play for me; If the opposing team's ad heros are doing anything positive at all; I LOVE to pick up a zhonya's. Most under-rated item in the game imo. Any competent team WILL be focusing you either 1st or 2nd, when they do pop ur E spam your spells then pop zhonya's, and unless your team is completely retarded, your DPS should be devastating to atleast all their melee chars which is quite simply huge= easy team win. 6. Rylais/abyssal/rabadans depending completely on how you're doing/surviving My main point is: Too many people rely on Karthus' passive, yes you can die. Does that make it beneficial for you to die within the first 5 seconds as a paper cannon stacking raba/arch angels? No. Your E and Q spamming make you a DPS ap carry, and you should be played as such. Archangel staff in general is just a horrible item and should never be picked up except maybe as a final item but even then... I'm so sick of seeing horrible face-palm-inducing-builds. Although Karthus can be considered (barely) bannable, he is by no means OP, his ulti can/will annoy the enemy team at low elo early game since if you're paying half-attention to the map (as any decent LoL/HoN/DotA player should be.) you will beable to snipe the occasional hero or 2/pick up assists/save your team mates. Most people that complain about karthus being imbalanced are just simply too stupid to read through the item description list. I can't stress how badly hexdrinker pwns early/mid and honestly even late game karthus' ulti. Unless your requiem is doing 600+ damage with full magic penetration (which basically means your way too farmed anyways) they should survive it. Karthus is not a R champion, he is a DPS carry and should be built/played as such. | ||
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goldenkrnboi
United States3104 Posts
On December 16 2011 09:42 MyTHicaL wrote: I really truly don't understand a karthus pick on dominion... U should not be stacking ANY cool down reduction (except for meijai which isnt even available in dominion) so his ulti is a waste of time... All other damaging global ultis have a smaller cooldown (and for obvious reasons). Karthus is by far my favourite hero, no not because I love to press R; even though its insane to see the amount of retards incapable of picking up a hexdrinker and then proceeding to complain about imbalances... Karthus' strong point is not his R! NEVER build archangel staff on him NEVER. I mean come on guys, mana isn't a problem after early game- you should be picking up your team's blue every time and I can't imagine straying from a very simple build... 1. Doran's ring (only if you plan/CAN be agressive ie; you are not facing a Brand, Orianna, Xerath, LB, and there are a couple of others that will simply own you without boots. 2. Sorc Shoes (duh) 3. Meijais unless you feel very underconfident; in which case I hope you didn't ask for solo mid in ranked. 4. Rod of ages 5. This is where personal preferance comes into play for me; If the opposing team's ad heros are doing anything positive at all; I LOVE to pick up a zhonya's. Most under-rated item in the game imo. Any competent team WILL be focusing you either 1st or 2nd, when they do pop ur E spam your spells then pop zhonya's, and unless your team is completely retarded, your DPS should be devastating to atleast all their melee chars which is quite simply huge= easy team win. 6. Rylais/abyssal/rabadans depending completely on how you're doing/surviving My main point is: Too many people rely on Karthus' passive, yes you can die. Does that make it beneficial for you to die within the first 5 seconds as a paper cannon stacking raba/arch angels? No. Your E and Q spamming make you a DPS ap carry, and you should be played as such. Archangel staff in general is just a horrible item and should never be picked up except maybe as a final item but even then... I'm so sick of seeing horrible face-palm-inducing-builds. Although Karthus can be considered (barely) bannable, he is by no means OP, his ulti can/will annoy the enemy team at low elo early game since if you're paying half-attention to the map (as any decent LoL/HoN/DotA player should be.) you will beable to snipe the occasional hero or 2/pick up assists/save your team mates. Most people that complain about karthus being imbalanced are just simply too stupid to read through the item description list. I can't stress how badly hexdrinker pwns early/mid and honestly even late game karthus' ulti. Unless your requiem is doing 600+ damage with full magic penetration (which basically means your way too farmed anyways) they should survive it. Karthus is not a R champion, he is a DPS carry and should be built/played as such. i'm pretty sure AA isn't for the mana problem, but for the extreme ease you can get the bonus AP by spamming q all day. then again you're not playing a balls out on the floor style, so it's understandable. but i think you're really underestimating the passive. his passive is the reason it's ok to go balls out glass cannon style. that shit hurts. sure it requires better positioning, but imo it's much more rewarding then building hp + ap. if you're dying right before a team fight fully blows up then you and your team are doing something wrong again. 2 different styles. but they both work. plus you could always go hanyuyu with tele/revive. that shit is op as balls | ||
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Slaughter
United States20254 Posts
As for the current discussion as revived by Mythical AA is really if you want extra AP from the mana but I rarely use it. I personally usually open Boots/Dorans then go into RoA->Deathcap then from there varies. If I want to live longer then Ryalis and maybe Abyssal Scepter if they are heavy AP Zhonyas as well. Void if MR stacking. I haven't used WotA but I have seen it on the solomid guides lately. Glass cannon works because passive allows you to be one. I prefer tanky just because I like to be alive in fights a lot longer and position myself best for the inevitable death. Hell I will even use flash to get to further back targets to chase them out and to allow for Q's to hit single squishy targets so they implode. Basically tanky karth with RoA+Rylais+Zohnyas+Abyssal along with Deathcap still allows for a good damage and being able to take hits because you have to be close and in the middle of things for your AoE to be hitting multiple targets. As for Mejais I really do not get it commonly at all because its a snowball item and it delays your RoA and you need that for sustain in lane (esp when your facing a champ that clears waves fast) | ||
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MyTHicaL
France1070 Posts
 . I just don't/can't play karthus in random ranked games like that. | ||
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evanthebouncy!
United States12796 Posts
here's a proof ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/dONLL.png) His q can intterupt capture in the most annoying way. I normally camp top windmill, hide in the brush. If they try to cap it I'll poke my head out and q them on their feet. If they try to go behind the brush try to kill me I'll move on top of the capture point and toss down a wall. That always delay them long enough for teamates to show up. Ult intrrupts capture like a boss His aoe is insanely good first fight on top windmill, turn your E on and it chews them up SO fast. With 3 other teemates around you they cannot even try to atk you as they get shredded so fast hahha My build is standard ProspectorRing + Boot + Morrelos' Tome + DeathCap R > Q > E > W just lvl 1 wall early. | ||
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CeriseCherries
6170 Posts
I have tried doran's ring to start, but without health pots Im always at SUPER low health I like cloth + 5, but I feel like I waste the cloth armor and never do anything with it... I tried amplifying tome + pot, but that doesnt give me enough pots... I tried boots + 3 but thats just like wtf am i doing with boots | ||
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FuzzyLord
253 Posts
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Slaughter
United States20254 Posts
On December 20 2011 09:22 FuzzyLord wrote: You might as well build Karthus as a glass cannon. Rushing health (RoA and Rylais etc), is kind of a waste IMO. Most teamfights hardly last for more than 5-10 seconds, and half that time is covered by your passive. Better to do a metric shit ton of damage rather than be completely be ignored by the enemy team in order to be picked off later. Especially with Revive/TP karthus. Revive/TP Karthus does play glass cannon but other builds do not. For instance Scarrletdoom plays him a bit tankier Karthus has is just as if not more successful with him. You usually get focused anyway so why not live longer? Besides once your dead any good team will move the fight away from you and you can become stranded and not able to AoE+ get in like A Q or 2 before ulti. | ||
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starfries
Canada3508 Posts
On December 20 2011 07:53 evanthebouncy! wrote: yo, how about karthus on dominion? He feels SUPER powerful. very interesting but I know the real reason you posted that was to show off your 5 archangel deathcap Karthus build  | ||
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MyTHicaL
France1070 Posts
On December 20 2011 08:36 CeriseCherries wrote: What to build on jungle karthus first o.o I have tried doran's ring to start, but without health pots Im always at SUPER low health I like cloth + 5, but I feel like I waste the cloth armor and never do anything with it... I tried amplifying tome + pot, but that doesnt give me enough pots... I tried boots + 3 but thats just like wtf am i doing with boots Starting items on him are very situational... It completely depends on who you're laning against. For example against Brand absence of boots = auto fail... I would never recomend getting cloth, I tend to either go for boots/pots or doran's ring depending on who I'm up against. But GOD IS LB ANNOYING OR WHAT? I have no idea how to counter her whatsoever except by playing mega mega defensively, but I hate playing like that... Anyone have any good early game builds to deal with a "good" lb mid? The only thing I've come up with is: forgetting about harassing, only trying to last hit with q (but even that is tricky since her combo range is almost as long as karthus' q spell  ), and basically trying to out farm her/hope that my jungler is actually half decent and will bother showing up for a gank someday... I basically have to auto back as soon as she combos me untill I get a RoA; I guess I kind of half answered my question but I hate playing so goddamn cowardly... I guess I should fool around with early ruby crystal (since I get RoA later..). Or maybe rush rylais getting giant's belt first- I'm basically assuming that if I can survive the burst I should beable kill her with ignite/wall/mass qs (and if worst comes to worst die and use ulti - I hate wasting it like this) I saw a Doran's SHEILD starting-build karthus on youtube which made me laugh, I really don't think that that would work either so.. thoughts? | ||
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EquilasH
Denmark2142 Posts
On December 22 2011 06:44 MyTHicaL wrote: Starting items on him are very situational... It completely depends on who you're laning against. For example against Brand absence of boots = auto fail... I would never recomend getting cloth, I tend to either go for boots/pots or doran's ring depending on who I'm up against. What if he's not laning against anyone? Read his post. Anyway, the only times I tried jungle Karthus I started cloth+5 and either sold the cloth later or kept it for a really long time and turned it into GA. If boots+3 or something like that works though, that'd be awesome. | ||
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mordek
United States12704 Posts
On December 22 2011 06:48 EquilasH wrote: What if he's not laning against anyone? Read his post. Anyway, the only times I tried jungle Karthus I started cloth+5 and either sold the cloth later or kept it for a really long time and turned it into GA. If boots+3 or something like that works though, that'd be awesome. Lol I was like wha.... I don't see why starting boots would be a bad thing... you're going to get them sooner rather than later anyways. | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
Results: Ran out of pots and died to double golems - route was weak pull blue, wolves wraiths golems. | ||
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RouaF
France4120 Posts
oh also for those wondering about lb vs karthus yeah it's insanely hard for karth, your best best is to take mr blue runes and open mantle+2 pot. but this is always bad for karth as he needs to be doing as much damage as possible so skipping ap lvl blue runes is kinda meh | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
One of the big problems with jungling him of course is he's very pots-dependent early on, and the way you open him tends to be cloth + 5, with the cloth not building into anything at all. | ||
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h3r1n6
Iceland2039 Posts
In my opinion, Karthus is better than Fiddle in the jungle now. | ||
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starfries
Canada3508 Posts
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
On December 16 2011 09:42 MyTHicaL wrote:+ Show Spoiler + I really truly don't understand a karthus pick on dominion... U should not be stacking ANY cool down reduction (except for meijai which isnt even available in dominion) so his ulti is a waste of time... All other damaging global ultis have a smaller cooldown (and for obvious reasons). Karthus is by far my favourite hero, no not because I love to press R; even though its insane to see the amount of retards incapable of picking up a hexdrinker and then proceeding to complain about imbalances... Karthus' strong point is not his R! NEVER build archangel staff on him NEVER. I mean come on guys, mana isn't a problem after early game- you should be picking up your team's blue every time and I can't imagine straying from a very simple build... 1. Doran's ring (only if you plan/CAN be agressive ie; you are not facing a Brand, Orianna, Xerath, LB, and there are a couple of others that will simply own you without boots. 2. Sorc Shoes (duh) 3. Meijais unless you feel very underconfident; in which case I hope you didn't ask for solo mid in ranked. 4. Rod of ages 5. This is where personal preferance comes into play for me; If the opposing team's ad heros are doing anything positive at all; I LOVE to pick up a zhonya's. Most under-rated item in the game imo. Any competent team WILL be focusing you either 1st or 2nd, when they do pop ur E spam your spells then pop zhonya's, and unless your team is completely retarded, your DPS should be devastating to atleast all their melee chars which is quite simply huge= easy team win. 6. Rylais/abyssal/rabadans depending completely on how you're doing/surviving My main point is: Too many people rely on Karthus' passive, yes you can die. Does that make it beneficial for you to die within the first 5 seconds as a paper cannon stacking raba/arch angels? No. Your E and Q spamming make you a DPS ap carry, and you should be played as such. Archangel staff in general is just a horrible item and should never be picked up except maybe as a final item but even then... I'm so sick of seeing horrible face-palm-inducing-builds. Although Karthus can be considered (barely) bannable, he is by no means OP, his ulti can/will annoy the enemy team at low elo early game since if you're paying half-attention to the map (as any decent LoL/HoN/DotA player should be.) you will beable to snipe the occasional hero or 2/pick up assists/save your team mates. Most people that complain about karthus being imbalanced are just simply too stupid to read through the item description list. I can't stress how badly hexdrinker pwns early/mid and honestly even late game karthus' ulti. Unless your requiem is doing 600+ damage with full magic penetration (which basically means your way too farmed anyways) they should survive it. Karthus is not a R champion, he is a DPS carry and should be built/played as such. This advice is terrible and I would advise against listening to it. There are situations where you want to build Karthus different ways but pretty much all of them involve a tear + revolver/WotA, and yes, I've been told this by pdiz and phantoml0rd after asking them back when I was playing Karth. On December 16 2011 10:30 Slaughter wrote: Anyone know what scarletdoom's build is? Curious to know what he uses. As for the current discussion as revived by Mythical AA is really if you want extra AP from the mana but I rarely use it. I personally usually open Boots/Dorans then go into RoA->Deathcap then from there varies. If I want to live longer then Ryalis and maybe Abyssal Scepter if they are heavy AP Zhonyas as well. Void if MR stacking. I haven't used WotA but I have seen it on the solomid guides lately. Glass cannon works because passive allows you to be one. I prefer tanky just because I like to be alive in fights a lot longer and position myself best for the inevitable death. Hell I will even use flash to get to further back targets to chase them out and to allow for Q's to hit single squishy targets so they implode. Basically tanky karth with RoA+Rylais+Zohnyas+Abyssal along with Deathcap still allows for a good damage and being able to take hits because you have to be close and in the middle of things for your AoE to be hitting multiple targets. As for Mejais I really do not get it commonly at all because its a snowball item and it delays your RoA and you need that for sustain in lane (esp when your facing a champ that clears waves fast) Pretty sure scarlet quit playing? Can anyone verify that? At the very least I haven't ran into him in ages. | ||
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