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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
oh and hmmm... The 8% mana nerf doesn't affect ryze that horribly except that you can't dominate earlygame so horribly. By the way, does Ryze beat Malzahar or does Malzahar poop on Ryze? At least at 6 he does but I wonder if Ryze should be able to gain a large enough advantage before 6 | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On May 05 2011 23:43 Shikyo wrote: ^ And the fact that it works like that is pretty much the reason why tanky deeps are so good. not really. it's pretty much just the reason why last whisper and void staff are no longer items you get 100% of the time. | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14080 Posts
On May 05 2011 22:22 BouBou.865 wrote: I don't usually get warmog/rylais as a third item or anything crazy either. Anyways, only if they have very little MR will I go warmog before void, or if they have like 4AP then I will only build shroud, and finish frozen heart very late, instead getting warmogs sooner. I still feel that mercs warmogs is a stronger combo then sorc/rylais. I've got the same reasoning behind warmogs, keeping in mind that lategame your SoS adds another 40hp/10 (if you assume 4k mana which should be the case pretty often =P) ... Completely convinced on Sorc vs CDR boots though. That analysis made sense. ;S I'll try out ryalis more often but I think it's more of a "I cant rush that warmogs easily and need something in cheap chunks to get some HP somehow"-item. | ||
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
On May 06 2011 01:04 r.Evo wrote: I've got the same reasoning behind warmogs, keeping in mind that lategame your SoS adds another 40hp/10 (if you assume 4k mana which should be the case pretty often =P) ... Completely convinced on Sorc vs CDR boots though. That analysis made sense. ;S I'll try out ryalis more often but I think it's more of a "I cant rush that warmogs easily and need something in cheap chunks to get some HP somehow"-item. Nah, the 35% slow on Ryze's Q is actually really good. | ||
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BouBou.865
Netherlands814 Posts
I've got the same reasoning behind warmogs, keeping in mind that lategame your SoS adds another 40hp/10 (if you assume 4k mana which should be the case pretty often =P) Completely convinced on Sorc vs CDR boots though. That analysis made sense. ;S I'll try out ryalis more often but I think it's more of a "I cant rush that warmogs easily and need something in cheap chunks to get some HP somehow"-item. But you don't benefit from the 40 hp/5 as much as you do from 15% Mpen. Magic damage equals health thanks to spellvamp of ult anyways.You gain more burst hp from mpen. Also, you're supposed to be doing the damage, so speccing tanky is pretty counter intuitive, unless you get like 50% more survivability in trade for 3% less damage. (as is the case with ryze lolol.) | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On May 05 2011 23:43 Shikyo wrote: ^ And the fact that it works like that is pretty much the reason why tanky deeps are so good. oh and hmmm... The 8% mana nerf doesn't affect ryze that horribly except that you can't dominate earlygame so horribly. By the way, does Ryze beat Malzahar or does Malzahar poop on Ryze? At least at 6 he does but I wonder if Ryze should be able to gain a large enough advantage before 6 I find that it's pretty even. Malz's visions have slightly shorter range than Ryze's Q, but if the Ryze attempts to Q-W combo Malz can get visions off on Ryze. Not only that, but Malz's Q has an insane range. A good Malz can just use his own Q to prevent or punish Ryze for Q-ing him. At level 6 Malz has the edge definitely. | ||
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BouBou.865
Netherlands814 Posts
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On June 04 2011 16:08 BouBou.865 wrote: Do you guys think Ryze is still strong after nerf? I haven't seen any lately, although I've still been doing decent with him. Also, Malz doesn't definetely have the edge at level 6, he can't kill you from full hp but you can harass him proper and then just heal up thanks to your ult. Ryze is a lot weaker now. That 2% difference was actually quite a bit. It's a 20% decrease in overall dps. He's still pretty solid as a champ but there are simply better casters now. | ||
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BouBou.865
Netherlands814 Posts
On June 04 2011 16:33 Ryuu314 wrote: Ryze is a lot weaker now. That 2% difference was actually quite a bit. It's a 20% decrease in overall dps. He's still pretty solid as a champ but there are simply better casters now. How is it a 20% decrease? His Q (which isn't his only spell) has AP scaling aswell, and after ArchAngels and void staff you have like 200 ish AP. Also his Q has base damage. I'd say his total damage output was nerfed by about 10%, I don't see how that takes him from 'z0mg OPPP' into the meh zone. | ||
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LoCicero
1100 Posts
New Ryze: At 3.5k mana and no AP yet (roughly 30 minutes): Q will do 410 damage W will do 375 E will hit 3 times in a 1v1 scenario, (is lvl 5 ignoring the MR reduction it gives) 390 Old Ryze: All other moves are the same and Q does 480 damage. A chain of casts is Q W Q E Q R Q, so in that time New Ryze does 410+375+410+390+410+410=2405 Old Ryze did: 480+375+480+390+480+480= 2685 This is roughly a 10% reduction in overall damage, however it is a HUGE reduction in early game laning, since that is mainly just Q spam. | ||
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Craton
United States17282 Posts
On May 05 2011 23:43 Shikyo wrote: By the way, does Ryze beat Malzahar or does Malzahar poop on Ryze? At least at 6 he does but I wonder if Ryze should be able to gain a large enough advantage before 6 I find it depends on Ryze's ability to dodge Q. If he does, Ryze wins pretty handily. | ||
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locodoco
Korea (South)1615 Posts
magic pen vs mana / lvl on red and quint slot? | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On July 10 2011 11:05 locodoco wrote: can some1 do a spreadsheet/theorycraft/damage comparison on magic pen vs mana / lvl on red and quint slot? Easymode logic says that at least for reds mpen is clearly superior at least for lategame(prolly early too as its mana/lv), for quints you might need to do some work =P | ||
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clickrush
Switzerland3257 Posts
Is the OP more or less up to date? I would build ryze atm with: cata, tear, mercs, roa, glacial shroud, banshees, frozen heart, voidstaff, archangels. 0/9/21 with SoS. dunno why ppl dont play him at all. Dont think there are alot of champs that dish out so much while being tanky and ranged at the same time. | ||
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Brees
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
Ryze has the problem that he pretty much has no burst potential at all. His lvl 6 is especially poor. That makes his midgame rather weak, and since there is such a strong focus on midgame right now that's kinda annoying. There also is the issue that he kinda requires a special runepage. | ||
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Brees
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
his problem is that he is a sustained caster like cass and the rest of the gang that falls in this category. Ryze is a bit more viable though due to him being tankier. If you only get in one round of spells you are a deadweight character, but if you are able to stay alive and kite he does a ridiculous amount of damage for a caster. | ||
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Vaporized
United States1471 Posts
today with ryze being free has been amusing too. just played a game with a ap ryze on the other team. we won ^^ i go tear, banshees/frozen heart, boots, roa (or switch with the tank items if prudent), manamune at the end to help take down turrets when ive got 4.5k mana. i forget to buy a void staff but i think that would help me out a lot. only lvl 25 atm. | ||
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STS17
United States1817 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On September 12 2011 00:47 STS17 wrote: Thoughts on Expanded Mind for Ryze? Also, given the tankyness of his build, is it better to go for SoS or Archaic Knowledge? Expanded Mind is confirmed by Riot to only affect base mana, and not total mana, which means it gives a total of like 60 mana @ 18, regardless of how many mana items you have. I'd take Archaic Knowledge for sure. SoS is cost-efficient, but its not like hp5 really goes anywhere as a stat for Ryze. Plus that 3% CDR is definitely worth having. | ||
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