[Champion] Udyr - Page 45

On January 17 2013 07:51 Phunkapotamus wrote:
IMO, Udyr could use some love in general. My proposal:

Switching out of turtle leaves you with the shield, yet all the other forms leave you with nothing, save his passive. Make it so Udyr retains something from the previous form for a little bit.

On leaving Tiger Stance, Udyr gets a buff for X seconds that will be consumed on his next autoattack. It performs Tiger stance's first hit clause.
On leaving Bear Stance, Udyr gets a buff for X seconds that will be consumed on his next autottack. It performs the bear stun. (Maybe make this not affected by the normal bear stance delay!)
On leaving Phoenix Stance, Udyr gets a buff for Y seconds (probably slightly longer than above) that is consumed on his 3rd autoattack. It performs the Phoneix fire AoE.

His later rank damages would almost have to be cut in half due to the fact that you'd be proccing them 2x as much, but he'd be a very nifty guy. Much more technical & with better flow.

It's either this, or reduce his GDC on all his abilities to make him flow better. I don't like being limited in that I can't switch to tiger, autoattack, and switch to something else very quickly. GDC needs to go.

On January 17 2013 10:12 obesechicken13 wrote:

Won't get much love from TL or developers for insisting on changes. If you need to, then try to argue an issue, but don't propose fixes. Leave that for Riot.

Udyr's tiger proc stays with him when switching stances. In fact all his stances have a persistent and nonpersistent effect.

On January 17 2013 08:40 Slayer91 wrote:
locket, bulwark, finally randuins (only good later on now vs farmed ADs) best defensive items
wits end possibly trinity or IBG offensively.
mercs with alacrity or super boots with spirit of the ancient golem with alacrity as well

i need to test later when patch hits EU but i doubt any of this will change. Numbers kinda back it up. 40% cdr is really nonessential on udyr and you mostly want it when its cost effective (locket hihi)

I go 0/9/21 with 4 pots +machete+ ward now and that early ward stops top lane dyin to the obvious level 3 gank and you can keep farming without needing to counter camp or any of that nonsense. Other junglers cant afford that because they need all the pots.

On January 17 2013 20:23 Skithiryx wrote:


Will try this out, thanks!

Also what's your summoner name so I can steal your masteries?

On January 17 2013 07:51 Phunkapotamus wrote:
IMO, Udyr could use some love in general. My proposal:

Switching out of turtle leaves you with the shield, yet all the other forms leave you with nothing, save his passive. Make it so Udyr retains something from the previous form for a little bit.
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On January 17 2013 22:35 sylverfyre wrote:

Incorrect - All Udyr's forms leave you with the initial stance activation 5 second buff (+AS, Shield, MS, +AD/AP) when you leave the stance - it's not special about shield.

Not so sure how reducing/removing his GDC would affect him, but I have the hunch you'd never actually see him in turtle, you'd always immediately switch to another stance.

On January 17 2013 22:58 misirlou wrote:


what incentive is there to staying in turtle? atm you do one, maybe two autos on turtle depending on AS, ure still spamming R/E to get out of it immediately

On January 18 2013 01:39 Slayer91 wrote:
It depends, if its a comp with some standard tank like shen malphite or whatever top with an ap mid I'm definitely getting aegis first. If its lik RWAWRWARWRWR PENTHEON TALON REVEN WELCOME TO THE LEAGUE OF CLEAVERS BORS ALL ASSASSINS ALL LANES I'm going locket.

Also SOME kind of GCD on udyrs abilities is probably needed. Otherwise smart players will abuse it and just spam Q W R after landing a stun after already charging a tiger q and you get double proc tiger shield 1 second stun and your firs tick of pheonix aoe as well as having yourself in the optimal dps stance with a shield and bear stance up again as soon as it's off cd.

In fact you can already do that to an extent, but it's harder to pull off if you need your bear stance speed straight away and dont have time to charge other stances first.

It only feels long when you're trying to juggle all 4 stances though.

On January 18 2013 02:52 TheYango wrote:

TBH I'm not actually convinced that Aegis is ever a better first buy than Locket, given the disparity in their stats/gold (Aegis gives 2320 gold worth of self-stats for 2150 gold, including the self-aura, Locket gives 2504 gold worth of self-stats for 2000 gold, NOT including the self-active)--even if Aegis is more "suited" for the game, Locket is more cost-effective by so much that you'd probably get higher overall effectiveness by buying Locket, then immediately buying a Null-Magic Mantle or Negatron Cloak right after to buffer your MR (probably the NMM if you're building Bulwark as well).

Aegis has higher slot-effectiveness than Locket because it upgrades, but that is basically irrelevant for determining your first major item.

On January 18 2013 04:09 Seuss wrote:
One Locket is only remarkably more cost-effective than Aegis if you value Health Regeneration at less than its gold cost, which is not necessarily incorrect. (As an aside, Runic Bulwark is actually less cost effective than Aegis.)