EPTNot being able to push fast as udyr sucks, but not getting turtle stance seems a lot worse in the sense that you probably shouldn't be picking lane udyr if you aren't getting max turtle and tiger asap.
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Slayer91
Ireland23442 Posts
Not being able to push fast as udyr sucks, but not getting turtle stance seems a lot worse in the sense that you probably shouldn't be picking lane udyr if you aren't getting max turtle and tiger asap. | ||
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Offhand
United States1869 Posts
E: VVV Yes VVV | ||
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mordek
United States12705 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23442 Posts
On April 25 2012 05:22 Offhand wrote: What? When did I say to not get turtle stance? You're still maxing it first (as I said, you only have 1 point in tiger levels 1-5 anyway). You wouldn't consider a point in phoenix until 6, play as normal tiger would open in lane. E: VVV Yes VVV Saying "you only have 1 point in tiger from 1-5 anyway" is a totally irrelevant point though, if you're still maxing turtle you're replacing your major lane damage source that also helps push with a level 1-2 skill that helps push creeps slightly faster. Tiger stance helps a lot more against rumble than pheonix does. He pushes creeps. Either you last hit accurately at tower or a: try to aoe the creeps under tower leading to less accurate last hits b: try to aoe creeps under rumble q The way to beat rumble in lane is to outtrade him when his cd's aren't quite up. Higher level tiger stance is pretty damn helpful for that. And obviously turtle is essential. you'll never win a lane like that by maxing pheonix, and I can't see it helping your cs that much either. You can always just turtle-->bear-->tiger him from behind creeps so you can't get slowed when he tries to push and repeat until he has to base. | ||
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Offhand
United States1869 Posts
On April 25 2012 06:54 Slayer91 wrote: Saying "you only have 1 point in tiger from 1-5 anyway" is a totally irrelevant point though, if you're still maxing turtle you're replacing your major lane damage source that also helps push with a level 1-2 skill that helps push creeps slightly faster. Tiger stance helps a lot more against rumble than pheonix does. He pushes creeps. Either you last hit accurately at tower or a: try to aoe the creeps under tower leading to less accurate last hits b: try to aoe creeps under rumble q The way to beat rumble in lane is to outtrade him when his cd's aren't quite up. Higher level tiger stance is pretty damn helpful for that. And obviously turtle is essential. you'll never win a lane like that by maxing pheonix, and I can't see it helping your cs that much either. You can always just turtle-->bear-->tiger him from behind creeps so you can't get slowed when he tries to push and repeat until he has to base. I would argue that you're substantially underrating the pushing power of phoenix. | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23442 Posts
BF sword pretty silly theres better ways to get AD you're a melee with 0 range at all you can't go around pretending you're acarry after laning phase you just get burst the fuck down. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On May 05 2012 01:19 Slayer91 wrote: Wriggles or hexdrinker (AD or AP lanes) into wits end+frozen heart into trinity is normal lane udyr stuff. BF sword pretty silly theres better ways to get AD you're a melee with 0 range at all you can't go around pretending you're acarry after laning phase you just get burst the fuck down. So best AD Lanedyr items in no particular order? Triforce Mallet Atmas Maw ? | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23442 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Like for example using bear to run to people, and switching to phoenix to pop spellshield/banshee before hitting them to ensure the stun, or turtle->phoenix camps as long as mana allows it to soak damage with the shield... I know some, but surely there's ever more that I don't know of. | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23442 Posts
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Lmui
Canada6223 Posts
In midgame fights, assuming someone else initiates, turtle, bear in and do a followup stun on whoever got initiated on. (Example being someone gets charmed by ahri, bear and stun that person and in the 2-3 seconds that they're cc'd you can usually burst them down.) From there change to phoenix and hit a multiple of 3 times. (Sometimes you get the 3rd hit proc on a different attack than expected, 1st/2nd, regardless, get off a proc before switching stances unless you HAVE to switch to keep your passive stacks up). With no cdr, hit bear the moment it comes back up and stun your target again before switching to phoenix and continuing to dish out the hurt. At this stage, phoenix does pretty good damage to anyone since it's got a pretty nasty amount of magic damage. As the game draws on, you want to spend more and more time in turtle and bear than in phoenix. Since you have randuins now, you actually want to get the ad carry/bruisers to focus you to gimp their dps (easiest way is to turtle/bear in, randuins slow them and then bear stun them.) Your damage doesn't scale as well as bruisers who have atmogs or similar items so you have to make good use of your tankiness, using turtle on cooldown and bear stunning everyone you can reach. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On May 05 2012 01:29 Slayer91 wrote: Mallet and atmas are both bad on him you don't want to buy any hp items on udyr with the exception of trinity and randuins. Frozen heart and fon are good items if you want more mr or armour. Yes, but thats the opposite of what I wanted... | ||
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
On May 05 2012 01:26 cLutZ wrote: So best AD Lanedyr items in no particular order? Triforce Mallet Atmas Maw ? if im playing tigerdyr i always go' philo hog wriggles triforce, then like randuins rev(sometimes) and frozen heart or fon something to that effect | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23442 Posts
I don't understand what you're trying to say here? You don't want to buy hp so you buy the classic hp stacking combos? | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On May 05 2012 06:37 Slayer91 wrote: I don't understand what you're trying to say here? You don't want to buy hp so you buy the classic hp stacking combos? I was asking a question, about what do you take when you want damage on a Tiger udyr other than TF and Wits. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23442 Posts
Like most tanks are physically unable to kill an udyr unless it's like 20% hp vs 100% and they're super fed the objective of every teamfight you play as udyr once everyones fully engaged (not the poke down the tanks bullshit that happens a lot in compietitve play with no real engagers) is to kill the squishies ASAP and clean up the rest if you kill the squishies and tiger udyr melts anything carry in range with those items staying alive to get in range should be your concern. | ||
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Jerubaal
United States7684 Posts
On May 05 2012 02:03 Juicyfruit wrote: I need a goddamn book telling me how to teamfight properly as Udyr. Holy hell I don't think there's a harder champion than udyr to master teamfighting with. Bear stunning the tank, running at carries with turtle and then backing off repeatedly only gets you so far. Why are you attacking the carries with turtle? | ||
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