EPT[Champion] Udyr - Page 14
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Slayer91
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koreasilver
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koreasilver
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 . I've preemptively been switching out my dodge runes for armor runes for a little while now, in anticipation of the dodge removal. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On December 15 2011 07:38 koreasilver wrote: Udyr will continue to be strong even without dodge. His kit is still strong and turtle is still really good. I hope they put in something new for the dodge they took out though. Posts on the official forums suggest that Riot aren't planning on doing anything to compensate for Udyr's loss of dodge atm. Morello's calling it a flat out nerf. http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=18391812#18391812 | ||
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Slayer91
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koreasilver
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On December 15 2011 08:07 Ryuu314 wrote: Posts on the official forums suggest that Riot aren't planning on doing anything to compensate for Udyr's loss of dodge atm. Morello's calling it a flat out nerf. http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=18391812#18391812 Super boring. Meh. Udyr will still be good to play though, because his champion design just works. I am pretty annoyed though. | ||
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Slayer91
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Malderon
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The reason I'm asking is that I am currently playing phoenix Udyr in the jungle and in 3v3, and wondering whether it's worth it to get a rack of AD marks for Tiger. Edit: Also, would the old tiger builds mentioned in this thread still be viable? | ||
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Banishment
Germany102 Posts
Of course, Tiger is still better on a lane than Phoenix is but as I said Udyr is quite bad on a solo lane, no matter what skills you take :/. | ||
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Ryuu314
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FuzzyLord
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petered
United States1817 Posts
On December 15 2011 10:01 Slayer91 wrote: What I don't like is it removes some of the flavour and also skillcap of udyr, I wouldn't mind so much a nerf. Skillcap? How does getting free dodge increase the skill to use Udyr? Do only high elos use dodge correctly? | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
On December 19 2011 03:03 petered wrote: Skillcap? How does getting free dodge increase the skill to use Udyr? Do only high elos use dodge correctly? Keeping up the passive and having it on before you start teamfights/ganks etc. Without spamming too much that you run out of mana. | ||
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petered
United States1817 Posts
On December 19 2011 03:06 Slayer91 wrote: Keeping up the passive and having it on before you start teamfights/ganks etc. Without spamming too much that you run out of mana. Makes sense, and I definitely agree it was part of his distinctive feel. It doesn't seem like it was really that hard to keep his passive charged though. | ||
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Slayer91
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MyTHicaL
France1070 Posts
And why should ads counter udyr? zzzzzz any type of stacked cc counters the hell out of him already. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On December 19 2011 03:37 MyTHicaL wrote: ... Just a ridiculous nerf, the absence of the speed boosting upon dodge mastery killed this hero. Anyone who says otherwise are just udyr haters, not udyr players. And why should ads counter udyr? zzzzzz any type of stacked cc counters the hell out of him already. Except TheOddOne jungled Phoenix Udyr just fine using 9/0/21 masteries even before the removal of Nimbleness? Nimbleness was by no means necessary. On December 19 2011 03:06 Slayer91 wrote: Keeping up the passive and having it on before you start teamfights/ganks etc. Without spamming too much that you run out of mana. Running out of mana hasn't been an issue since they buffed the shit out of his mana costs. | ||
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
On December 19 2011 03:06 Slayer91 wrote: Keeping up the passive and having it on before you start teamfights/ganks etc. Without spamming too much that you run out of mana. Mashing buttons at a steady pace is certainly difficult. :> | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
On December 19 2011 03:37 MyTHicaL wrote: ... Just a ridiculous nerf, the absence of the speed boosting upon dodge mastery killed this hero. Anyone who says otherwise are just udyr haters, not udyr players. And why should ads counter udyr? zzzzzz any type of stacked cc counters the hell out of him already. Not really, with juggernaught and mercs and turtle shield you survive so much that unless you put yourself massively out of position you should be able to avoid a lot of CC's since you move so fast and should be the lowest priority target for damage and the rest you are only taking 50% of the duration of anyway. AoE CC's like morgana ult should be both predicted and moved out of if you get hit anyway. You often spend 3-4 seconds doing nothing just avoiding and getting into position (close to their squishies) before fighting. Sure you'll miss 3-4seconds of minimal damage while getting CC'd but you'll be at full hp and ready to start owning people. If your team dies in that 3-4 seconds you're secrewed and would lose the teamfight regardless. Udyr can out last teamfights really well. The only thing that really threatens him is a farmed AD who can punish him going in and kill him before he can get out if they keep hitting him. Udyr is still my main champion in ranked and I continue to do extremely well with him. Also I really dislike oddones udyr. I feel like he does nothing but take damage and be there. That's worth something but there are better champions to do than udyr (maokai does what he likes to do perfectly) has such sick steriods but weak initiating power that he needs to be a DPS as well as really tanky. I often like to run behind their team as udyr. Or use behind their team as an escape if i get 2-3 people on me trying to go for a sivir or whatever. It gives them the choice to abandon their frontline to chase me or to stop attacking me and letting me come back when they all leave. That kind of positioning lets you stun the carries to start a teamfight and still run out to avoid aoes which tend to aim slightly behind you displacing your carries which leaves you an easy target to focus for their sustained damage or else you walk through the Aoe with the rest. Running past them kind of stops that happening although you have to be reasonable if you split from your team and you aren't properly engaging or you literally run into a pack of 5 rambo and expect it to work out its just stupid. | ||
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