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Zanzabar Haberdasher
Profile Joined July 2010
United States510 Posts
January 21 2011 19:19 GMT
#241
If you time it right, their flash will actually cause your stun range to double and you'll end up in the middle of their team.
I have a very unique name.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
January 21 2011 19:22 GMT
#242
On January 22 2011 04:19 Zanzabar Haberdasher wrote:
If you time it right, their flash will actually cause your stun range to double and you'll end up in the middle of their team.

it's all luck on that really. that only happens if you start your jump on the same frame they flash, which is well outside the realm of human reaction time. the only way to reliably extend your jump is to buffer it within your ult's circle.
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dnastyx
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2707 Posts
January 26 2011 02:47 GMT
#243
Ugh, I want to play spear Panth so badly, but it's so much easier with HSS these days.

So what's the skill order after the nerf to stun? First 3 levels are a mix of QWE, but I think it might be best to max stun after HSS now.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
January 26 2011 03:12 GMT
#244
On January 26 2011 11:47 dnastyx wrote:
Ugh, I want to play spear Panth so badly, but it's so much easier with HSS these days.

So what's the skill order after the nerf to stun? First 3 levels are a mix of QWE, but I think it might be best to max stun after HSS now.

I thought maxing spear was the way to play anyway, even after the HSS buff?
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dnastyx
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2707 Posts
January 26 2011 04:38 GMT
#245
I've tried both, but I ran max HSS the past two games because their team was really light on CC, so I could just shit on them.
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
January 26 2011 05:17 GMT
#246
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I max HSS last on pantheon pretty much every time
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
January 26 2011 05:19 GMT
#247
Also I'm a huge proponent of GB/B into randuins with 0/9/21 because I'm a utility/survivability/cdr whore
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
jtype
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
England2167 Posts
January 28 2011 20:04 GMT
#248
On January 26 2011 14:19 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Also I'm a huge proponent of GB/B into randuins with 0/9/21 because I'm a utility/survivability/cdr whore


Yup, just tried it out and I must say, I like it alot.

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Shizuru~
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Malaysia1676 Posts
January 29 2011 15:48 GMT
#249
the stun duration is so laughably bad now that at lvl 1 it felt like it was more of a blink move than a stun move.... especially if they have merc boots on.

it felt like they are forcing us to level up W over E...

get rid of E and gimme back my proper stun QQ
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
January 31 2011 21:38 GMT
#250
On January 30 2011 00:48 Shizuru~ wrote:
the stun duration is so laughably bad now that at lvl 1 it felt like it was more of a blink move than a stun move.... especially if they have merc boots on.

it felt like they are forcing us to level up W over E...

get rid of E and gimme back my proper stun QQ

yea, his stun is so bad now T_T

w/e, I still roll face with Panth but the direction they're taking him sucks IMO.
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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
February 03 2011 15:48 GMT
#251
On January 26 2011 14:19 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Also I'm a huge proponent of GB/B into randuins with 0/9/21 because I'm a utility/survivability/cdr whore

GB/B is such a noob build, cut that shit out, lol. Especially if you're never HSSing, Black Cleaver is #1 follow up to GB.
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
February 03 2011 16:25 GMT
#252
I hate GB/B so much. Feels like such a god damn waste of gold.
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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
February 03 2011 16:41 GMT
#253
On February 04 2011 01:25 NeoIllusions wrote:
I hate GB/B so much. Feels like such a god damn waste of gold.

you only feel that way because it's a goddamn waste of gold.

basically, GB/B is all-in on winning the game by the 30 minute mark, otherwise you've severely handicapped yourself.
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oberon
Profile Joined May 2009
United States1320 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-08 02:25:42
February 08 2011 02:25 GMT
#254
On February 04 2011 01:41 Mogwai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2011 01:25 NeoIllusions wrote:
I hate GB/B so much. Feels like such a god damn waste of gold.

you only feel that way because it's a goddamn waste of gold.

basically, GB/B is all-in on winning the game by the 30 minute mark, otherwise you've severely handicapped yourself.


What's your current build/skill order? Just picked up Panth, and he's an interesting champ, but he seems to lack any useless skills for me to ignore, and his tendancy to jump on carries makes him a huge target, making me want both damage (for carry offing) and survivability (for not getting completely wrecked before offing the carry).

Oh, and what runes? AD? Or still apen?
nyxnyxnyx
Profile Joined April 2010
Indonesia2978 Posts
February 08 2011 03:47 GMT
#255
On February 08 2011 11:25 oberon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2011 01:41 Mogwai wrote:
On February 04 2011 01:25 NeoIllusions wrote:
I hate GB/B so much. Feels like such a god damn waste of gold.

you only feel that way because it's a goddamn waste of gold.

basically, GB/B is all-in on winning the game by the 30 minute mark, otherwise you've severely handicapped yourself.


What's your current build/skill order? Just picked up Panth, and he's an interesting champ, but he seems to lack any useless skills for me to ignore, and his tendancy to jump on carries makes him a huge target, making me want both damage (for carry offing) and survivability (for not getting completely wrecked before offing the carry).

Oh, and what runes? AD? Or still apen?


Play spear and you won't need to jump~
cool beans
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-08 03:55:54
February 08 2011 03:53 GMT
#256
Marks: ArPen
Seals: 5 Flat Mana Regen, 4 Mana Regen/Level
Glpyhs: Mana Regen/Level
Quints: ArPen

0/9/21 (SoS still too good)
ghost/flash

boots +3 hp pots
2 dblade
brutalize
ghostblade + merc treads
Black Cleaver + BV/GA
Bloodthirster + GA/BV

orders of + items are game dependent.

QWQEQRQEQEREEWWRWW

EDIT: skip BC for LW if they're tanking out. I get BC most of the time though to blow squishies up ASAP.
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Zanzabar Haberdasher
Profile Joined July 2010
United States510 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-08 04:33:03
February 08 2011 04:32 GMT
#257
Do you think there is any merit to this build:

Longsword + pot
Bruta
Merc Treads
GB
Infinity Edge
Randuins
GA

I've tried the cleavers but IE's crit makes GB seem so much better in my eyes.
I have a very unique name.
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
February 08 2011 04:56 GMT
#258
On February 08 2011 13:32 Zanzabar Haberdasher wrote:
Do you think there is any merit to this build:

Longsword + pot
Bruta
Merc Treads
GB
Infinity Edge
Randuins
GA

I've tried the cleavers but IE's crit makes GB seem so much better in my eyes.


That would give you no health. You'd explode.
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-08 06:31:04
February 08 2011 06:30 GMT
#259
On February 08 2011 13:32 Zanzabar Haberdasher wrote:
Do you think there is any merit to this build:

Longsword + pot
Bruta
Merc Treads
GB
Infinity Edge
Randuins
GA

I've tried the cleavers but IE's crit makes GB seem so much better in my eyes.

i think boots are just straight up #1 build right now tbh. sword could work but I think you'll lose to dshield vs. pretty much everyone imo. the only time I've ever opened longsword is on duo lanes.

I really dislike IE on Panth tbh. BC actually makes me like GB more than IE does for 2 reasons:
1. armor reduc synergizes well with the flat penetration (after 3 hits, effectively get 90 Armor Pen (25 runes, 20 GB, 45 BC)), which will dump on most characters you need to dump on.
2. The AS along with the GB active lets you hit critical mass on your AS.
and there are 2 other reasons
3. 1000 gold cheaper lets you tank out 100 gold quicker.
4. AS and no money wasted on crit makes it stronger for solo pushing which is the #1 use of Pantheon late game.

I also think nerfed randuin's is no good on Panth. The only time I really advocated for it was when it was just broken. Nowadays GA is your go-to item for Armor and BV is your go-to item for MRes. More than GA is overkill in 99% of the games you'll see though because your passive along with judicious use of your W gives you a ton of extra physical durability.
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oberon
Profile Joined May 2009
United States1320 Posts
February 08 2011 23:31 GMT
#260
On February 08 2011 15:30 Mogwai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2011 13:32 Zanzabar Haberdasher wrote:
Do you think there is any merit to this build:

Longsword + pot
Bruta
Merc Treads
GB
Infinity Edge
Randuins
GA

I've tried the cleavers but IE's crit makes GB seem so much better in my eyes.

i think boots are just straight up #1 build right now tbh. sword could work but I think you'll lose to dshield vs. pretty much everyone imo. the only time I've ever opened longsword is on duo lanes.

I really dislike IE on Panth tbh. BC actually makes me like GB more than IE does for 2 reasons:
1. armor reduc synergizes well with the flat penetration (after 3 hits, effectively get 90 Armor Pen (25 runes, 20 GB, 45 BC)), which will dump on most characters you need to dump on.
2. The AS along with the GB active lets you hit critical mass on your AS.
and there are 2 other reasons
3. 1000 gold cheaper lets you tank out 100 gold quicker.
4. AS and no money wasted on crit makes it stronger for solo pushing which is the #1 use of Pantheon late game.

I also think nerfed randuin's is no good on Panth. The only time I really advocated for it was when it was just broken. Nowadays GA is your go-to item for Armor and BV is your go-to item for MRes. More than GA is overkill in 99% of the games you'll see though because your passive along with judicious use of your W gives you a ton of extra physical durability.


Why the hate on crit? Mathematically, maximum DPS comes from an even amount spent on AD, AS, crit, and pen, with some variation based on pen capping at opponents' armor. Just from theorycrafting, I'd assume crit > AS on Panth, because your goal is to hop on someone, murdelate them in about 5 hits of spear/auto/HSS, and then get out again, which seems like it would be improved much more by crit than AS. Not the case?
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