[Champion] Pantheon - Page 13
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Zanzabar Haberdasher
United States510 Posts
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On January 22 2011 04:19 Zanzabar Haberdasher wrote: If you time it right, their flash will actually cause your stun range to double and you'll end up in the middle of their team. it's all luck on that really. that only happens if you start your jump on the same frame they flash, which is well outside the realm of human reaction time. the only way to reliably extend your jump is to buffer it within your ult's circle. | ||
dnastyx
United States2707 Posts
So what's the skill order after the nerf to stun? First 3 levels are a mix of QWE, but I think it might be best to max stun after HSS now. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On January 26 2011 11:47 dnastyx wrote: Ugh, I want to play spear Panth so badly, but it's so much easier with HSS these days. So what's the skill order after the nerf to stun? First 3 levels are a mix of QWE, but I think it might be best to max stun after HSS now. I thought maxing spear was the way to play anyway, even after the HSS buff? | ||
dnastyx
United States2707 Posts
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
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jtype
England2167 Posts
On January 26 2011 14:19 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: Also I'm a huge proponent of GB/B into randuins with 0/9/21 because I'm a utility/survivability/cdr whore Yup, just tried it out and I must say, I like it alot. ![]() | ||
Shizuru~
Malaysia1676 Posts
it felt like they are forcing us to level up W over E... get rid of E and gimme back my proper stun QQ | ||
Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On January 30 2011 00:48 Shizuru~ wrote: the stun duration is so laughably bad now that at lvl 1 it felt like it was more of a blink move than a stun move.... especially if they have merc boots on. it felt like they are forcing us to level up W over E... get rid of E and gimme back my proper stun QQ yea, his stun is so bad now T_T w/e, I still roll face with Panth but the direction they're taking him sucks IMO. | ||
Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On January 26 2011 14:19 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: Also I'm a huge proponent of GB/B into randuins with 0/9/21 because I'm a utility/survivability/cdr whore GB/B is such a noob build, cut that shit out, lol. Especially if you're never HSSing, Black Cleaver is #1 follow up to GB. | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On February 04 2011 01:25 NeoIllusions wrote: I hate GB/B so much. Feels like such a god damn waste of gold. you only feel that way because it's a goddamn waste of gold. basically, GB/B is all-in on winning the game by the 30 minute mark, otherwise you've severely handicapped yourself. | ||
oberon
United States1320 Posts
On February 04 2011 01:41 Mogwai wrote: you only feel that way because it's a goddamn waste of gold. basically, GB/B is all-in on winning the game by the 30 minute mark, otherwise you've severely handicapped yourself. What's your current build/skill order? Just picked up Panth, and he's an interesting champ, but he seems to lack any useless skills for me to ignore, and his tendancy to jump on carries makes him a huge target, making me want both damage (for carry offing) and survivability (for not getting completely wrecked before offing the carry). Oh, and what runes? AD? Or still apen? | ||
nyxnyxnyx
Indonesia2978 Posts
On February 08 2011 11:25 oberon wrote: What's your current build/skill order? Just picked up Panth, and he's an interesting champ, but he seems to lack any useless skills for me to ignore, and his tendancy to jump on carries makes him a huge target, making me want both damage (for carry offing) and survivability (for not getting completely wrecked before offing the carry). Oh, and what runes? AD? Or still apen? Play spear and you won't need to jump~ | ||
Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
Seals: 5 Flat Mana Regen, 4 Mana Regen/Level Glpyhs: Mana Regen/Level Quints: ArPen 0/9/21 (SoS still too good) ghost/flash boots +3 hp pots 2 dblade brutalize ghostblade + merc treads Black Cleaver + BV/GA Bloodthirster + GA/BV orders of + items are game dependent. QWQEQRQEQEREEWWRWW EDIT: skip BC for LW if they're tanking out. I get BC most of the time though to blow squishies up ASAP. | ||
Zanzabar Haberdasher
United States510 Posts
Longsword + pot Bruta Merc Treads GB Infinity Edge Randuins GA I've tried the cleavers but IE's crit makes GB seem so much better in my eyes. | ||
BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
On February 08 2011 13:32 Zanzabar Haberdasher wrote: Do you think there is any merit to this build: Longsword + pot Bruta Merc Treads GB Infinity Edge Randuins GA I've tried the cleavers but IE's crit makes GB seem so much better in my eyes. That would give you no health. You'd explode. | ||
Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On February 08 2011 13:32 Zanzabar Haberdasher wrote: Do you think there is any merit to this build: Longsword + pot Bruta Merc Treads GB Infinity Edge Randuins GA I've tried the cleavers but IE's crit makes GB seem so much better in my eyes. i think boots are just straight up #1 build right now tbh. sword could work but I think you'll lose to dshield vs. pretty much everyone imo. the only time I've ever opened longsword is on duo lanes. I really dislike IE on Panth tbh. BC actually makes me like GB more than IE does for 2 reasons: 1. armor reduc synergizes well with the flat penetration (after 3 hits, effectively get 90 Armor Pen (25 runes, 20 GB, 45 BC)), which will dump on most characters you need to dump on. 2. The AS along with the GB active lets you hit critical mass on your AS. and there are 2 other reasons 3. 1000 gold cheaper lets you tank out 100 gold quicker. 4. AS and no money wasted on crit makes it stronger for solo pushing which is the #1 use of Pantheon late game. I also think nerfed randuin's is no good on Panth. The only time I really advocated for it was when it was just broken. Nowadays GA is your go-to item for Armor and BV is your go-to item for MRes. More than GA is overkill in 99% of the games you'll see though because your passive along with judicious use of your W gives you a ton of extra physical durability. | ||
oberon
United States1320 Posts
On February 08 2011 15:30 Mogwai wrote: i think boots are just straight up #1 build right now tbh. sword could work but I think you'll lose to dshield vs. pretty much everyone imo. the only time I've ever opened longsword is on duo lanes. I really dislike IE on Panth tbh. BC actually makes me like GB more than IE does for 2 reasons: 1. armor reduc synergizes well with the flat penetration (after 3 hits, effectively get 90 Armor Pen (25 runes, 20 GB, 45 BC)), which will dump on most characters you need to dump on. 2. The AS along with the GB active lets you hit critical mass on your AS. and there are 2 other reasons 3. 1000 gold cheaper lets you tank out 100 gold quicker. 4. AS and no money wasted on crit makes it stronger for solo pushing which is the #1 use of Pantheon late game. I also think nerfed randuin's is no good on Panth. The only time I really advocated for it was when it was just broken. Nowadays GA is your go-to item for Armor and BV is your go-to item for MRes. More than GA is overkill in 99% of the games you'll see though because your passive along with judicious use of your W gives you a ton of extra physical durability. Why the hate on crit? Mathematically, maximum DPS comes from an even amount spent on AD, AS, crit, and pen, with some variation based on pen capping at opponents' armor. Just from theorycrafting, I'd assume crit > AS on Panth, because your goal is to hop on someone, murdelate them in about 5 hits of spear/auto/HSS, and then get out again, which seems like it would be improved much more by crit than AS. Not the case? | ||
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