On February 17 2011 06:52 Mogwai wrote:
well, tried my hand at writing about Pantheon on General Forums again:
https://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=518381

looks like ur second attempt has fared better than the last one already, but there's still so much idiots in them general forum-er in ur posts though, at least a majority agree that E has to go now...

lets hope that riot stop taking the easy way out by band-aiding E over and over again and does a proper redesign on E.

my idea of a simple change is to keep E passive as it is, and instead of E being a channeled skill, make it into a buff skill, like u get ur next 3-4 autoattack to deal ur AD + small scaling% in a cone aoe, that way they get to keep their HSS animation, by doing a shorter animation per auto-attack, makes HSS not retarded to cast, let his AS speed scales much better, and become an easier to scale fighter late game? instead of making HSS a single giant nuke...

well... whatever the heck they do with it, i just hope that they revert the nerf they did to his Q and W.

TacToSs

Australia330 Posts

February 19 2011 10:48 GMT

#285

So was just looking at the old panth compared to the new panth and it's just =/

Old
Spear Shot - 30/40/60/70
HSS - 18/22/26/30/34
Aegis - 1/1.25/1.5/1.75/2

New
Spear Shot - 16/28/40/52/64
HSS - 20/25/30/40 + 0.5 delay
Aegis - 0.7/0.9/1.1/1.3/1.5

Don't know what they're thinking zzz

Slayer91

Ireland23335 Posts

February 19 2011 14:34 GMT

#286

You know that panth was banned fairly often for being slightly more than balanced right?

TacToSs

Australia330 Posts

February 19 2011 17:04 GMT

#287

No, I didn't notice that at all, I just thought they were hating on the character by nerfing him to the ground.

JokerSan

United States306 Posts

February 22 2011 21:55 GMT

#288

Not sure if this has been asked before, but is warmogs/atma viable on Panth? Sadly it's the only build I've been successful with on Panth.Whenever I build damage first, I'm just so squishy and I get bursted down ezpz.

Mogwai

United States13274 Posts

February 22 2011 22:02 GMT

#289

On February 23 2011 06:55 JokerSan wrote:
Not sure if this has been asked before, but is warmogs/atma viable on Panth? Sadly it's the only build I've been successful with on Panth.Whenever I build damage first, I'm just so squishy and I get bursted down ezpz.

It's pretty fucking terrible tbh. Pantheon takes some real finesse to play well if you ask me because he's a squishy Melee Carry, but that's his design and going for some pseudo-tanky bullshit just begs the question "why wouldn't you just play someone who's better at being tanky?" You can pretty much accomplish everything Warmog + Atma's Pantheon can do only better with a standard Shen build and Xin/Irelia/Olaf/WW/Trundle/Udyr all boast good enough base stats to get away with building tanky and still being a melee carry while Pantheon needs to use his powerful ability scaling to succeed. I still see the odd successful Ghostblade -> Frozen Mallet -> Atma's Pantheon, but I still think it misses the point of Pantheon.

JokerSan

United States306 Posts

February 22 2011 22:42 GMT

#290

so in other words, stop sucking shit and get better.

Mogwai

United States13274 Posts

February 22 2011 22:51 GMT

#291

yes

if you're not taking solo lanes, start doing so.

if you're not farming a brutalizer quickly enough to rape face, start doing so.

if you're getting into positions that get you raped, stop it, start solo pushing and entering fights late with an ult on their Carry + Support line so that you can fucking murder them.

Crazazyasian1337

United States362 Posts

February 22 2011 23:16 GMT

#292

What is the correct skill order for panth these days? I tend to max Q first, and alternate between W and E after that, getting only one point in R, then maxing it last.

Mogwai

United States13274 Posts

February 22 2011 23:34 GMT

#293

QWQEQR -> R > Q > E > W, IMO.

I like the maxed E for fast solo pushing.

JokerSan

United States306 Posts

February 23 2011 00:04 GMT

#294

Is the optimal build still boots -> ghostblade -> black cleaver -> defense?

Which matchups should you play passive against?

Should you play the late game basically like shen?

Mogwai

United States13274 Posts

February 23 2011 18:29 GMT

#295

don't forget the 2 d-blades before ghostblade. without them, you'll have a lot of trouble staying in your lane. whether you get black cleaver or a defensive item depends on the particular game you're in. Sometimes you need LW over black cleaver. I dunno, you have to be flexible with your build, but most of the time I do boots -> 2 d-blades -> brutalizer -> ghostblade -> black cleaver + banshee's veil -> sell d-blades for vamp scepter + a piece of GA -> BT + GA.

Bad matchups off the top of my head are: Sion, Kennen, Urgot, Malphite, Cho, Gragas, Irelia, Xin, Mordekaiser... basically anyone really tanky or Kennen, lol. I also think Caitlyn and Ezreal are tough too, but they have to be really good to play the matchup well.

Late game, yea, sorta like shen in that you solo push and then ult, but your role is chaser/assassin, not peeler/tank, so you need to aim your ult for their DPS or Burst Champions and kill the shit out of them and then keep yourself highly mobile to avoid getting killed.

UniversalSnip

9871 Posts

February 23 2011 21:31 GMT

#296

You know I really hate this hero now. he used to be my favorite back when he was supposedly underpowered, but they've pretty much nerfed his fun aspects into the ground so that they could buff HSS (why would having more HSS in the game be a good thing? I don't know.)

It's pretty sad how they've messed this champ up tbh... total trainwreck design.

Mogwai

United States13274 Posts

February 23 2011 21:40 GMT

#297

On February 24 2011 06:31 UniversalSnip wrote:
You know I really hate this hero now. he used to be my favorite back when he was supposedly underpowered, but they've pretty much nerfed his fun aspects into the ground so that they could buff HSS (why would having more HSS in the game be a good thing? I don't know.)

It's pretty sad how they've messed this champ up tbh... total trainwreck design.

I more or less agree.

Though I wouldn't say I hate him... I just shockingly miss the HSSless Pantheon, lol.

arnath

United States1317 Posts

February 25 2011 22:08 GMT

#298

Quote from Morello: http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=6513619#post6513619

Pantheon suffers from globalitis and a kit we've never gotten right at all. I'll fess up to Panth being a mess, but more from our direction never being solidified.

It's nice to see they at least realize he's pretty messed up right now.

Mogwai

United States13274 Posts

March 07 2011 16:30 GMT

#299

RIP Pantheon

Goodnight sweet prince