EPT[Champion] Pantheon - Page 11
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UniversalSnip
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Truez
Australia147 Posts
<3 QQ about post-patch Panth. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
I didnt expect a like 10-15% change on its scaling to make it the most ridiculous move ive ever fucking seen | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On December 17 2010 05:31 arb wrote: HSS fucking stupid now, get stunned and HSS and just watch 3/4 of my hp disappear, think your safe? nope Spear incoming and you die. I didnt expect a like 10-15% change on its scaling to make it the most ridiculous move ive ever fucking seen it's at the same numbers it was at before season 1, you should've expected exactly this. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=4773476&posted=1#post4773476 it's controversial, but I think it's the right solution. | ||
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sRapers_ValkS
United States644 Posts
i basically just really want to play a jungler =S videos if other's don't know what I'm talking about: + Show Spoiler + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QF5GptulA6M | ||
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symbolic
254 Posts
On December 18 2010 13:07 sRapers_ValkS wrote: do you still jungle with panth? I rewatched those videos you posted a while ago and if he's still strong in the jungle i'd love to play there. i basically just really want to play a jungler =S videos if other's don't know what I'm talking about: + Show Spoiler + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QF5GptulA6M http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwBuegCZ-LU&feature=related No reason to jungle one of the best laners in the game. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On December 18 2010 13:07 sRapers_ValkS wrote: do you still jungle with panth? I rewatched those videos you posted a while ago and if he's still strong in the jungle i'd love to play there. i basically just really want to play a jungler =S videos if other's don't know what I'm talking about: + Show Spoiler + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QF5GptulA6M http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwBuegCZ-LU&feature=related he can still do it, he's still better in lane. On December 18 2010 14:13 symbolic wrote: No reason to jungle one of the best laners in the game. he's the strongest pre 6 ganker in the game other than MAYBE Rammus. Still better in lane, but there are reasons. | ||
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
On December 17 2010 07:15 Mogwai wrote: any support appreciated... http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=4773476&posted=1#post4773476 it's controversial, but I think it's the right solution. Read your post, and I disagree with it. I'm not a Pantheon player, but here's my two cents on the issue: People QQing on the forums about Pantheon isn't an issue. What causes the QQ is an issue; Pantheon being too strong, or at least too good of a pubstomper. While your analysis of HSS is pretty much spot on, I believe you can have less drastic solutions to the issue: First, not all champions need to be equally good in early, mid and lategame. Zilean and LeBlanc are strong in early game, but weak in lategame; Tryndamere and Sivir aren't too good in early game, but are very strong in late game. As such, having a champion who excels at laning and small-scale encounters isn't a problem in and of itself. Second, you can tweak the champion around so as to give him interesting tradeoffs for early midgame. Make it painful to max HSS as early as possible, by making the opportunity cost high; i) For Spear Shot, you could change its scaling with AD to something like 60/85/110/135/160%, or give it a higher base cooldown which decreases with skill level, making it significantly weaker for midgame if it's low level (adjust base damage upwards as appropriate to not mess with him without AD items). ii) For Aegis, you could make its stun less reliable for hitting a full HSS until Aegis is at higher skill levels (might already be this way), or make its range scale with skill level. The idea here is to give Pantheon interesting tradeoffs so that he has real weaknesses in exchange for maxing out HSS early and making it so potent. On a related note, I wonder how giving Pantheon bonus armor / mres during HSS channeling would work to make the move more viable in team fights... it shouldn't make it stronger during laning because people are desperately trying to get away from him, not hitting him back during HSS. It could be like a mini Meditate from Yi. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On December 18 2010 15:10 Zato-1 wrote: Read your post, and I disagree with it. I'm not a Pantheon player, but here's my two cents on the issue: People QQing on the forums about Pantheon isn't an issue. What causes the QQ is an issue; Pantheon being too strong, or at least too good of a pubstomper. While your analysis of HSS is pretty much spot on, I believe you can have less drastic solutions to the issue: First, not all champions need to be equally good in early, mid and lategame. Zilean and LeBlanc are strong in early game, but weak in lategame; Tryndamere and Sivir aren't too good in early game, but are very strong in late game. As such, having a champion who excels at laning and small-scale encounters isn't a problem in and of itself. Second, you can tweak the champion around so as to give him interesting tradeoffs for early midgame. Make it painful to max HSS as early as possible, by making the opportunity cost high; i) For Spear Shot, you could change its scaling with AD to something like 60/85/110/135/160%, or give it a higher base cooldown which decreases with skill level, making it significantly weaker for midgame if it's low level (adjust base damage upwards as appropriate to not mess with him without AD items). ii) For Aegis, you could make its stun less reliable for hitting a full HSS until Aegis is at higher skill levels (might already be this way), or make its range scale with skill level. The idea here is to give Pantheon interesting tradeoffs so that he has real weaknesses in exchange for maxing out HSS early and making it so potent. On a related note, I wonder how giving Pantheon bonus armor / mres during HSS channeling would work to make the move more viable in team fights... it shouldn't make it stronger during laning because people are desperately trying to get away from him, not hitting him back during HSS. It could be like a mini Meditate from Yi. HSS, at the moment, is Pantheon's worst skill. Easily, imo. And it's still the reason he's banned (he's strictly worse playing off the other two skills now than he was when no one cared about him). Making the tradeoffs worse for HSS than they are now is the wrong solution because you're already better off going for Q > W > E, with cutting W off at rank 3 making some amount of sense, but not a lot. I mean, I've already said everything I want to say in that post. HSS FEELS UNFAIR. That's the problem in a nutshell. People get unhappy when they get instagibbed by 1 ability that has to be that strong to be worthwhile later. It's a move that's plagued by being extremely high risk in a teamfight, and extremely low risk in smaller encounters, thus making the reward impossible to balance correctly. | ||
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Shizuru~
Malaysia1676 Posts
actually, i don think anyone would've missed HSS at all if they removed it from the game, and panth would still be fine with just Q,W and R... well sorta... | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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Truez
Australia147 Posts
But really, the pre-circle is awesome, since you don't have to type "jumping bot" etc during channel time then missing the stun afterwards haha. | ||
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Shizuru~
Malaysia1676 Posts
or how u could troll your own team mate to make a decision thinking that ur coming, only for u to cancel the ulti and gets them pwned  | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
I totally got to play him once last night though, it just required an afk captain on the opposing team =P. Theoretically speaking, I like the new Black Cleaver a ton on Pantheon. | ||
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Dave[9]
United States2365 Posts
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
boots 2 d-blades ghostblade mercs the follow up varies depends on how you're playing him. I tend to not rely on E when I do get him, so my new go-to follow up to ghostblade is Black Cleaver, but I don't bother with cleaver vs. high armor teams (counter intuitive, but Cleaver is best vs. low armor targets). Bloodthirster is still sick as hell. SotD is outclassed by Black cleaver as an AS item IMO, as it gives you better stats for panth and serves the exact same purpose (to do true damage vs. lower Armor Targets). Last Whisper is still your answer vs. high armor opponents. uhhh 0/9/21 ghost/flash straight ArPen + Mana Regen/Level Runing qwqeqr r > q > e >= w, IMO, though E first builds can work vs. low CC teams. | ||
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