On December 07 2010 00:56 Mogwai wrote:
I hate that stupid build. I could never do well with it except on TT.

Shake's right though, you should probably stfu neo, Maknoob king.

Prolly why you thought I was weird when I brought up how Maknoon was running that build and kicking ass at the start of S1 before deciding to carry with Corki instead for a bit.

Mogwai

United States13274 Posts

December 06 2010 19:38 GMT

#182

yea, I dunno, it still just feels off for me. I like the Loci style of play much better.

HazMat

United States17077 Posts

December 09 2010 03:26 GMT

#183

Can someone make a mini guide for the new Panth? Also, I've been going Dblade first due to them buffing the dmg on it and since laning is less about q spam but about doing more damage. How bout you guys?

barbsq

United States5348 Posts

December 09 2010 04:34 GMT

#184

idk, its really hard for me to give up that movespeed. panth's q range is just short enough that i really like that ms advantage to consistently harass them. mybe if i went ms quints... but then i'd lose the apen, which isnt really worth it imo

edit: i'd imagine it certainly has its place in certain mu's tho

ZERG_RUSSIAN

10417 Posts

December 09 2010 05:55 GMT

#185

I still open boots + 3 pots. Honestly I didn't even feel the spear nerf. It certainly hits less hard but to a noticable extent? Not really.

Mogwai

United States13274 Posts

December 09 2010 06:27 GMT

#186

I build him exactly as before but I leave W at rank 3 and then max E saving the last 2 W point for 17 and 18.

that's the only difference.

ZERG_RUSSIAN

10417 Posts

December 09 2010 07:13 GMT

#187

I still max the stun first, having a longer duration on the stun is better than gibbing the carry in teamfights imo. Depends how the game is going though, and he is your main, so I'll try out 3 points in w.

Mogwai

United States13274 Posts

December 13 2010 20:07 GMT

#188

meh, I don't think it really matters, just still max Q first and don't leave your W at level 1. Not that it really matters because he's insta-banned over more powerful characters like Malphite.

Two_DoWn

United States13684 Posts

December 14 2010 07:05 GMT

#189

Its going to be interesting to see what happens in the new patch. Im hoping that by rushing the new last whisper you can offset all the pain he took to his q and e.

Mogwai

United States13274 Posts

December 14 2010 16:14 GMT

#190

I'm actually just going to ditch LW unless I need to kill tanks and build SotD. Then again, I never hopped back on the HSS bandwagon, so that has something to do with it. LW just became a much better item for a HSS centric build.

NeoIllusions

United States37500 Posts

December 14 2010 16:17 GMT

#191

On December 15 2010 01:14 Mogwai wrote:
I'm actually just going to ditch LW unless I need to kill tanks and build SotD. Then again, I never hopped back on the HSS bandwagon, so that has something to do with it. LW just became a much better item for a HSS centric build.

You're going to get to play Panth again. uhappy?

ZERG_RUSSIAN

10417 Posts

December 14 2010 16:18 GMT

#192

By "I never hopped back on the HSS bandwagon" you mean "I wasn't maxing E over Q/W" right?

Because HSS trucks fools nowadays lolol.

Mogwai

United States13274 Posts

December 14 2010 16:38 GMT

#193

On December 15 2010 01:17 NeoIllusions wrote:

Show nested quote +

You're going to get to play Panth again. uhappy?

I actually have surprisingly little faith that people will stop banning/QQing. Pandora's box has been opened and Pantheon is screwed all over again. HSS needs to be removed from the game because it's a move that inherently causes QQ.

But yes, I'm happy that there is a non-zero chance that I'll be able to play him again.

On December 15 2010 01:18 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
By "I never hopped back on the HSS bandwagon" you mean "I wasn't maxing E over Q/W" right?

Because HSS trucks fools nowadays lolol.

Well, sorta. After the hotfix I still wasn't casting it very often. When it did 28% at level 1, fuck yea I trucked people with it, but when it went down to 24%, meh, I hardly ever used it over Q->W->Auto->Auto->Q->Crit. That is in the single game I actually got to play Pantheon after the hotfix...

Shikyo

Finland33997 Posts

December 14 2010 19:20 GMT

#194

I can't wait until panth is nerfed. Most imbalanced champion the game has ever seen, even more imbalanced than he was before his rightful nerf.

Lvl 3, 100 hp panth > 800 hp malzahar, very balanced. So wait, armor counters panth, right? Nope, 2500 hp and 171 armor, still get one-shotted by him. Can't wait until the patch, what a broken champion.

Mogwai

United States13274 Posts

December 14 2010 19:31 GMT

#195

sorry, got my troll shield on, I'm not biting.

TheYango

United States47024 Posts

December 14 2010 19:41 GMT

#196

On December 15 2010 01:38 Mogwai wrote:
I actually have surprisingly little faith that people will stop banning/QQing. Pandora's box has been opened and Pantheon is screwed all over again. HSS needs to be removed from the game because it's a move that inherently causes QQ.

I think that HSS is like Judgment in that it's a skill that does more damage to noobs, and therefore causes QQ.

Mogwai

United States13274 Posts

December 14 2010 19:49 GMT

#197

Here's how I actually see it... the problem with HSS is that it's like death lotus (AoE damage channel), but Aegis is like a shunpo that stuns. Imagine if shunpo stunned... Imagine what people would be like if they just had to sit there in DL for a second and take it before they could start moving. That's the issue right there. In order for it to hit strong enough to be useful later on (due to it being high risk as a short range channel), it has to hit hard enough to feel abusive during laning, ESPECIALLY when put on a character with a jump + stun ability. So that's the problem. The ability is unbalanceable when put on a character with aegis because it's either never worth the points or feels cheap during laning.

NeoIllusions

United States37500 Posts

December 14 2010 20:10 GMT

#198

NeoIllusions (12:10): panth imba still?
yes?
Aaerox (12:10): panth still top ban

Mogwai

United States13274 Posts

December 14 2010 20:22 GMT

#199

not even slightly surprising.

EDIT: and he's honestly probably tier 3 material atm, but he'll remain a top ban for at least the next week.

BlackPaladin

United States9316 Posts

December 15 2010 23:23 GMT

#200

Love playing normals with panth. Ohhh, lux, you light binded me? WELL FUCK YOU. *throws spear in face* *an enemy has been slain*

Seriously got binded and just turned on me E. Got a triple kill while binded. They need LoL comics for this.