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sRapers_ValkS
Profile Joined August 2009
United States644 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-21 05:52:14
November 05 2010 03:57 GMT
#1
Edit: This guide is old and dated, I hate to have this OP just link to a guide that can be found on solomid, but here is the newest Dyrus guide:

Dyrus: http://www.solomid.net/guides.php?g=7397

I'm sorry I don't play this champ often enough anymore to have the confidence to write a real guide! Take Dyrus's advice!

Old, bad:
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Oh Singed, whadda troll.

http://www.leagueoflegends.com/champions/27/singed_mad_chemist

Runes:
Quints: Movespeed.
Reds: I run magic pen.
Yellows: Armor
Blue: Magic resist per level
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feedback needed on this section, i do not have prorunes and generally do not invest my IP in them because I'm poor and like champions. this is what I believe would be a good setup.


Summoner Spells:
Ghost/Flash/Clairvoyance/Exhaust/Ignite/honestly whatever you feel like
You have escape in the form of W and R trail which is flipping annoying to chase so I don't think Ghost/Flash is at all necessary. In fact, Singed wants to encourage people to chase him because then he can activate imba posion trail damage!

Skill Order
I start with a point in E generally but will occasionally throw a point in W if I'm feeling saucy and there's a tight jungle fight going on that is for some reason very tilted in my favor. PLEASE WAIT FOR MINIONS TO GET TO LANE BEFORE CHOOSING SKILL.
so in general:
E/Q/Q/W/Q/R
then R>Q>E>W
Although you may hear that W is also good to max before E. Well, I'm greedy. I want imba damage CLUNK.

Items:
Here's where you get many choice!

Early Game:
Start with either a mana crystal or a doran's shield. The mana crystal will give you health and help you rush rush rush your (1st) catalyst. If you're gearing up for a hard lane get doran's shield by all means.

From here you must build at least one RoA. Works incredibly with his passive and gives him AP. What's not to love? I personally start double catalyst so that I can stay in lane forever and be reckless running around lane with poison on, throwing a squishy back, getting all the creeps and then retreating. Its full health when you level!!!!!!! If I don't think I will be able to finish the second RoA in time for it to be worthwhile (just about never) or think that a banshees would be more appropriate or some other kinda circumstance I'll turn the second catalyst into banshees.

If you're lame get a HoG or 2 at some point in there too. (dumblamenotfunandhilarious)

boots. I get boots 3 because if they're trying to CC you, well, they're wasting CC anyway because you're not going to die. You may also get sorc boots.

Mid to Late Game:
Consider getting:
Force of Nature!
Randuins
Abyssal
Frozen Heart (i hate this item -_-)
Zhonyas (WHATEVER YOU SHOULD BE UNKILLABLE BY THIS POINT ANYWAY)
I've seen someone go Archangels because of the ridiculous amount of mana you will have from 2/3/4/5/6 RoA's and that worked out but i have not personally tried it out
Rylais (slow tail of death)
Any other tank stuff you want

Play
Objective 1: get the game into late game where you really kick in
Objective 2: throw the ranged DPS
Objective 3: use W intelligently. it is such a great skill. don't just toss it in the middle of the fight because you want to spam skills. throw it at someone trying to escape, toss a squishy then toss it where they want to go (people fear the puddle, everyone runs away from the no damage skill)
Objective 4: Pop Ult before battles, it lasts so long and it is So. Good.
Objective 5: distract while your team does baron. Not a single one of your spells does damage to Baron. of course, also be available in the case of a team fight. You should be running veryveryvery fast with MS quints, FoN, boots, and ulti if you're really in a pinch.

I find Singed to be a pretty boring laner, try not to push your lane with arbitrary poison trail jogs. as with every hero with an inherently really good AoE laning ability....try not to use it. Take a duo lane, you will get zoned if you don't have one. Toss+puddle enemies into tower range. That's about all. More on laning would be helpful if you have anything to say.

Thanks for reading if you read, if you didn't ................... go read. I will update OP with good posts in spoilers and change general guide according to suggestions I can confirm are for the better. Have fun! Singed is one of the most unkillable late game tanks and is incredibly sexy. what else is there to say?
Synthesis
Profile Joined August 2008
Canada167 Posts
November 05 2010 04:38 GMT
#2
I use pretty much the same runes, opting for flat magic resist instead in glyphs.

I build him pretty similar, start off dorans -> RoA, and then finish treads. I usually get a neg cloak after because this'll put him at about 125~ resist and a similar amount in armor when you ult. At this point of the game you can just tank a ridiculous amount of damage.

As for the item list, I really like banshee's too because you get a ton of hp from it, as well as some needed magic resist.

Singed doesn't really have that good of a laning phase unless you put him with someone that has high burst like Xin, Ryze, etc. Then that lane becomes incredibly easy because the second you fling anyone they're going to die.

I think Singed kicks in around when he finishes his RoA and through the midgame though. Once it's lategame your poison really does minimal damage to anyone with banshee's and if you try to initiate you'll just get kited for all your hp.
DefMatrixUltra
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada1992 Posts
November 05 2010 05:44 GMT
#3
On November 05 2010 13:38 Synthesis wrote:

Singed doesn't really have that good of a laning phase unless you put him with someone that has high burst like Xin, Ryze, etc. Then that lane becomes incredibly easy because the second you fling anyone they're going to die. [1]

I think Singed kicks in around when he finishes his RoA and through the midgame though. Once it's lategame your poison really does minimal damage to anyone with banshee's and if you try to initiate you'll just get kited for all your hp. [2]


[1] Laning with position-based champs (Garen) is pretty strong as well. I find laning to be 100% about how fast you can get that Catalyst. A tough lane is any lane that stops you from doing that. After Catalyst, you can wander around almost senselessly in most lanes.

[2] Singed late game is all about split-pushing for me. With more and more AoE CC, Singed isn't terribly good in a teamfight because he provides less free kills and protection than someone like Shen. However, if your team can defend or poke 4v5, Singed can be a really unstoppable pain in the ass. Like really, how are you gonna kill him without sending a large part of your team?
petered
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1817 Posts
November 05 2010 22:23 GMT
#4
You forgot the most important item beside RoA on singed, which is Rylai's imo. It only gets 15% slow on the poison, but that is a big deal when you can usually apply it to their whole team in a team fight.
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sRapers_ValkS
Profile Joined August 2009
United States644 Posts
November 05 2010 22:26 GMT
#5
On November 06 2010 07:23 petered wrote:
You forgot the most important item beside RoA on singed, which is Rylai's imo. It only gets 15% slow on the poison, but that is a big deal when you can usually apply it to their whole team in a team fight.

its up there under Mid to Late game
STS17
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1817 Posts
November 12 2010 16:51 GMT
#6
What are you guys running for masteries on him? I typically do 0/21/9 but I've been debating a more utility heavy build (0/15/15 maybe). Also, what are thoughts on expanded mind for him? With your passive it's an extra 12.5 health for every 1k mana you have.
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myopia
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2928 Posts
November 12 2010 16:58 GMT
#7
Dyrus runs a full AP page on Singed iirc
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Haemonculus
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States6980 Posts
November 12 2010 21:32 GMT
#8
Most important aspect of playing Singed is making fart-noises whenever you turn Q on.
I admire your commitment to being *very* oily
ZeeMan
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia66 Posts
November 13 2010 00:24 GMT
#9
I tried singed but I feel useless late game. With only 1 RoA my poison does insignificant damage, and after I flip someone I just run around like an idiot waiting for flip to come off cooldown again. Even when I'm tanky as hell theres no way I can force them to attack me so I don't really contribute much to team fights.
Jaksiel
Profile Joined November 2008
United States4130 Posts
November 13 2010 01:07 GMT
#10
On November 13 2010 06:32 Haemonculus wrote:
Most important aspect of playing Singed is making fart-noises whenever you turn Q on.


Also very important is just being a giant asshole in general.
Zero fighting.
STS17
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1817 Posts
November 13 2010 01:09 GMT
#11
On November 13 2010 09:24 ZeeMan wrote:
I tried singed but I feel useless late game. With only 1 RoA my poison does insignificant damage, and after I flip someone I just run around like an idiot waiting for flip to come off cooldown again. Even when I'm tanky as hell theres no way I can force them to attack me so I don't really contribute much to team fights.


The trick is figuring out how to squeeze more AP into your build, if you can only farm up one RoA and that is your only AP item you won't be hurting much of anything, getting something like an Abyssal Scepter or Rylai's (both if you can) are good and also give you AP to make you more threatening.
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Awesomo
Profile Joined June 2010
Netherlands206 Posts
November 15 2010 18:42 GMT
#12
Is singed good at babysitting a carry? He was my first champ, and i remember him being pretty dominant in laning phase.

(I'm having a 5v5 grudgematch with some friends, and need to work out a good team comp.)
I have an ice-cold beer, everything is possible.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
November 15 2010 19:24 GMT
#13
On November 13 2010 10:09 STS17 wrote:
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On November 13 2010 09:24 ZeeMan wrote:
I tried singed but I feel useless late game. With only 1 RoA my poison does insignificant damage, and after I flip someone I just run around like an idiot waiting for flip to come off cooldown again. Even when I'm tanky as hell theres no way I can force them to attack me so I don't really contribute much to team fights.


The trick is figuring out how to squeeze more AP into your build, if you can only farm up one RoA and that is your only AP item you won't be hurting much of anything, getting something like an Abyssal Scepter or Rylai's (both if you can) are good and also give you AP to make you more threatening.

well imo, most carries arent going to have alot of magic rez, so poison will still be doin decent too them(i mean 60/s) off of their like 1500 hp is still kinda hefty, and with insanity up singeds autoattacks cant exactly be taken lightly either..

usually vs most teams since i run armor/magic rez runes ill do
managem/dorans
boots 1
catalyst/RoA
boots 3
Fon
(other tanky items here as needed) usually ill take a QSS after FoN just for the extra cleanse(i run ghost cleanse with imp cleanse always)

you'll have alot of hp with just RoA so stats like armor and such are pretty important too imo.
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Nehsb
Profile Joined May 2009
United States380 Posts
November 15 2010 19:48 GMT
#14
On November 16 2010 03:42 Awesomo wrote:
Is singed good at babysitting a carry? He was my first champ, and i remember him being pretty dominant in laning phase.

(I'm having a 5v5 grudgematch with some friends, and need to work out a good team comp.)


How do you play him in laning phase? Once I get my rod, singed feels pretty strong but I've never won a lane where my partner wasn't sona/taric. It just feels like before I get catalyst I'm completely useless.
Awesomo
Profile Joined June 2010
Netherlands206 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-15 21:09:34
November 15 2010 21:09 GMT
#15
On November 16 2010 04:48 Nehsb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2010 03:42 Awesomo wrote:
Is singed good at babysitting a carry? He was my first champ, and i remember him being pretty dominant in laning phase.

(I'm having a 5v5 grudgematch with some friends, and need to work out a good team comp.)


How do you play him in laning phase? Once I get my rod, singed feels pretty strong but I've never won a lane where my partner wasn't sona/taric. It just feels like before I get catalyst I'm completely useless.


I haven't played him in a while, but when i did, i just went for catalyst and then farmed the shit out of the lane, while laughing at people trying to harrass. (this must have been like lvl 10-15, though, my opponents and i weren't that good.)

I'm thinking singed should be able to deny experience and last hits quite effectively. Camping just outside tower range and leaving a wall of poison when they move closer, maybe even flinging one of them to your carry.
I have an ice-cold beer, everything is possible.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
November 15 2010 21:11 GMT
#16
On November 16 2010 04:48 Nehsb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2010 03:42 Awesomo wrote:
Is singed good at babysitting a carry? He was my first champ, and i remember him being pretty dominant in laning phase.

(I'm having a 5v5 grudgematch with some friends, and need to work out a good team comp.)


How do you play him in laning phase? Once I get my rod, singed feels pretty strong but I've never won a lane where my partner wasn't sona/taric. It just feels like before I get catalyst I'm completely useless.

singed just needs any scary lanemate. if they can disable, toss -> poison -> slow is really strong, though of course it chugs through your mana.
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zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
February 02 2011 07:47 GMT
#17
Can someone give a brief summary on how people play him now?
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-02 08:17:14
February 02 2011 08:16 GMT
#18
Catalyst and sunfire are his best items in my opinion.

Money spent on ap is wasted, his ratios are terrible and his base damage is pretty high. Counting toss you get .4 damage per second per point of ap. By comparison sunfire passive costs about 750 gold. To get 40 dps by spending on ap you would have to burn 2035 gold.

I haven't built rod of ages once on him since I did that math and I don't miss it, the blasting wand third of that item is a waste of money. I would rather buy banshee's and guise
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Unentschieden
Profile Joined August 2007
Germany1471 Posts
February 02 2011 10:23 GMT
#19
No because Sunfire boosts your Deee peee essss, while you actually want burst, especially during the laning phase. AP doesn´t do as much damage over time as Sunfires but for a first item that isn´t usefull. If you go Catalyst->Sunfire you delay increasing your damage by the whole Cost of sunfires while Rod relativly quickly gives you the staff and the whole item as well faster.

40 DPS ignores that the poison lingers on enemies, AP boosts your Tower dps and is multiplicative with Deathcap.

Sunfires is usefull later in the game when you stand in the middle of 5 enemies. Long term damage is better when the enemy can´t disengage as easily, aka commited Teamfights.

UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-02 19:40:57
February 02 2011 19:39 GMT
#20
Ok, none of that is true except that catalyst sunfire takes longer to build than catalyst rod of ages. the fact that you even mention deathcap or think that you are still going to be in lane phase after farming up catalyst + sunfire means we are not on the same page
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
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