• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 07:32
CET 13:32
KST 21:32
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners10Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10[ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival13TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting12[ASL20] Ro4 Preview: Descent11
Community News
StarCraft, SC2, HotS, WC3, Returning to Blizzcon!44$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship7[BSL21] RO32 Group Stage4Weekly Cups (Oct 26-Nov 2): Liquid, Clem, Solar win; LAN in Philly2Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win10
StarCraft 2
General
Mech is the composition that needs teleportation t StarCraft, SC2, HotS, WC3, Returning to Blizzcon! RotterdaM "Serral is the GOAT, and it's not close" TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Constellation Cup - Main Event - Stellar Fest $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship Merivale 8 Open - LAN - Stellar Fest Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond)
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened Mutation # 496 Endless Infection Mutation # 495 Rest In Peace
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion Where's CardinalAllin/Jukado the mapmaker? [ASL20] Ask the mapmakers — Drop your questions [BSL21] RO32 Group Stage
Tourneys
[ASL20] Grand Finals [BSL21] RO32 Group A - Saturday 21:00 CET [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] RO32 Group B - Sunday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Current Meta PvZ map balance How to stay on top of macro? Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Should offensive tower rushing be viable in RTS games? Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
The Games Industry And ATVI US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! Korean Music Discussion Series you have seen recently...
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Learning my new SC2 hotkey…
Hildegard
Coffee x Performance in Espo…
TrAiDoS
Saturation point
Uldridge
DnB/metal remix FFO Mick Go…
ImbaTosS
Reality "theory" prov…
perfectspheres
Our Last Hope in th…
KrillinFromwales
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1161 users

[Champion] Kennen - Page 4

Forum Index > LoL Strategy
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Next All
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
November 16 2010 23:37 GMT
#61
On November 17 2010 02:18 r33k wrote:
There are similiar mechanics in dota, complaining about griefing on rocket grabs would be like complaining about pirate denying minions.
Think for a second about a world without flash, a random carry gets stunned and ganked but blitz pulls him and saves the day. Ofc it would be a high risk move but I don't see other ways of balancing him without changing his passive to give him positive and negative charges.

you don't know what griefing is do you? lol.

an example of griefing with this would be more like your Mantheon jumps on low health ezreal and before he can attack to seal the deal you purposefully pull him back, giving the enemy a free escape.

the only way pirate can do this really is by denying wards/pets/rallies, and while this is pretty annoying griefing, you can at least play around the asshole by not giving him shit to shoot, whereas Blitz could grief you just for playing the game, lol.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
r33k
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Italy3402 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-17 00:50:48
November 17 2010 00:50 GMT
#62
You can grief just as much as blitz pulling an ally by afking the whole game or feeding on purpose, both those things are reportable.
You can anivia wall your allies away from enemies that were going to be free kills, people complain about that aswell but its not a gamebreaking problem. It's an interesting mechanic that dota has and lol doesn't have.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
November 21 2010 21:55 GMT
#63
I think Kennen may have now replaced MF as my absolute most hated champ to lane against solo. (I play Trist.)

I manage to survive the laning phase most of the time with a decent CS but I'm always 2-3 levels behind.
What can I do besides huddle up in a ball in the corner and cry?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
oberon
Profile Joined May 2009
United States1320 Posts
November 22 2010 02:16 GMT
#64
On November 22 2010 06:55 WaveofShadow wrote:
I think Kennen may have now replaced MF as my absolute most hated champ to lane against solo. (I play Trist.)

I manage to survive the laning phase most of the time with a decent CS but I'm always 2-3 levels behind.
What can I do besides huddle up in a ball in the corner and cry?


After he uses his lightning auto-attack, before level 3, you can jump on him. He can shuriken + W you, but he can't stun you, and your jump + E + autoattack should give you some solid damage.

That said, levels 3-5...I just don't know.
0123456789
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3216 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-22 16:04:31
November 22 2010 02:50 GMT
#65
On November 22 2010 06:55 WaveofShadow wrote:
I think Kennen may have now replaced MF as my absolute most hated champ to lane against solo. (I play Trist.)

I manage to survive the laning phase most of the time with a decent CS but I'm always 2-3 levels behind.
What can I do besides huddle up in a ball in the corner and cry?


I typed up this huge huge block of writing where I detailed the entire kennen vs tristana matchup, but I lost it. Detailing the finer points, either trade hits at 1 with e auto attack, or get to 2 faster and jump e. From 3 on, is when the wave should probably be pushing back. Watch out for anything kennen might pull here like a level 4 attack.


Around level 4/5 is the biggest part of this matchup for several reasons. First of all, you have to hit lvl 6 before he hits lvl 6. Second, his health has to be at a point where you can turn 6, use all your spells, and kill him. If he hits six first, then you just lost your chance to kill him, and you can't fight him anymore so you lose a ton of lane control. Second, if you hit six first, but can't kill him, then you force him back and he turns 6 and gains lane control, or you die.

From 6 onwards, if you haven't killed him, you have to hope for a neutral stance between you and kennen, meaning both of you are getting last hits without anything really happening. If he's being really aggressive, then hope for a gank, but don't fight unless you are sure of the gank, otherwise just play defensive. If you killed him, then go back and buy your doran's crap or whatever, and get a red fort and play aggressive because you can eat his nukes and heal with red fort and come out ahead because of kill adv.

Around 7-8 is when second red should be up. I forgot the exact timing(yes I'm bad). At that point, you regain lane control with red and range. This is when you play a poke game vs kennen. You use your range to poke kennen a few times, back, poke, back, or just zone. If you're poking him, then get him low and then kill him. If he's playing defensive, then you have a period where you retain lane control.


Anyways, this guide is not really good because it doesn't take into account other early game factors like ganks, and the whole jungle play.

The biggest problem with Tristana is that her e pushes the lane up a lot. It has its pros and cons, but you end up having your wave near their tower a lot.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
November 22 2010 02:58 GMT
#66
On November 22 2010 11:50 0123456789 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2010 06:55 WaveofShadow wrote:
I think Kennen may have now replaced MF as my absolute most hated champ to lane against solo. (I play Trist.)

I manage to survive the laning phase most of the time with a decent CS but I'm always 2-3 levels behind.
What can I do besides huddle up in a ball in the corner and cry?


I typed up this huge huge block of writing where I detailed the entire kennen vs tristana matchup, but I lost it.

Uh....thanks for the help?

I guess I just need to find some practice partners for a bunch of solomid champs.
I should probably do that for SC2 as well since I haven't played it in ages. Damn you LoL! You have corrupted me to the core!
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
oberon
Profile Joined May 2009
United States1320 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-26 21:06:03
November 26 2010 21:05 GMT
#67
Aspd Kenne build: Stinger, Sheen, MBR, then what?
-Kato-
Profile Joined June 2010
Spain1146 Posts
November 30 2010 17:33 GMT
#68
On November 27 2010 06:05 oberon wrote:
Aspd Kenne build: Stinger, Sheen, MBR, then what?


Is aspd Kennen good?
oberon
Profile Joined May 2009
United States1320 Posts
November 30 2010 17:41 GMT
#69
On December 01 2010 02:33 -Kato- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2010 06:05 oberon wrote:
Aspd Kenne build: Stinger, Sheen, MBR, then what?


Is aspd Kennen good?


Not as good as AP, but it's a different role -- more stunbot/dps -- from what I understand.
Tooplark
Profile Joined October 2008
United States3977 Posts
November 30 2010 19:44 GMT
#70
Aspd kennen is bad.
You don't get the survivability or utility of AP and you don't get the damage output of DPS OR AP.
Going from ~.6 aspd (level 1, no items) to 2.5 aspd (capped) gives you 1/3 of a stun every 2 seconds instead of 10 assuming you can somehow constantly attack and never get CCed. (It's every 5 attacks, right?) It's also just a single target 1/3stun.
WHAT POW'R ART THOU WHO FROM BELOW HAST MADE ME RISE UNWILLINGLY AND SLOW
Pandonetho
Profile Joined October 2009
Canada321 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-30 20:27:23
November 30 2010 20:25 GMT
#71
It's every 4th attack IIRC.

Nvm, just checked, it is 5.
oberon
Profile Joined May 2009
United States1320 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-30 20:28:18
November 30 2010 20:27 GMT
#72
On December 01 2010 04:44 Tooplark wrote:
Aspd kennen is bad.
You don't get the survivability or utility of AP and you don't get the damage output of DPS OR AP.
Going from ~.6 aspd (level 1, no items) to 2.5 aspd (capped) gives you 1/3 of a stun every 2 seconds instead of 10 assuming you can somehow constantly attack and never get CCed. (It's every 5 attacks, right?) It's also just a single target 1/3stun.


It's every 5th attack (takes 4 charges) -- of course, it also opens up your W, so it's more like 2/3 of a stun. The idea is also that you build razor, so your attacks do damage. I'm just not sure where it goes from there. Tank? Malady? SotD? GRB? HGB? No clue.
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
December 02 2010 23:26 GMT
#73
Oh, how Twisted Treeline metagame boggles me so - where kennen, a brutally effective mage, builds wriggles lantern into IE/LW? O_O
jtype
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
England2167 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-12 17:12:35
December 12 2010 17:11 GMT
#74
I played a game yesterday as Kennen that was pretty tough to begin with. I was solo mid against Urgot and I really didn't know anything about his abilities, which is never a good situation to be in anyway and completely my fault (I just haven't seen Urgot in any games, nor have I played him myself).

It just seemed like if I ever wanted to land a good Q on him, I'd leave myself really open to his skill shot thing, which always did way more damage than I was expecting. I had to force myself to just sit back and farm, which goes against my usual Kennen style which is super aggressive and always up in the enemie's face.

I realised that I have to avoid getting hit by that poison thing at all costs, as it allows his skill shots to lock on to me, but that was only after losing well over half my health in about 4 or 5 of those hits.

After the early laning phase it was a breeze, however. The Urgot did some of the most stupid ults I think I've ever seen on any champion; swapping himself with the tank into the midst of all our team, at our tower, frequently. Maybe he was trolling..
Dave[9]
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
United States2365 Posts
December 20 2010 01:41 GMT
#75
I just started playing kennan a few days ago, managed to get a pretty solid rune page for him and all, but I'm starting to wonder the viability of getting a zhonya's ring before Ralai's simply because I feel like when teamfights DO occur, im more likely to be target #1 because I'm going crazy. What do you guys think?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=104154&currentpage=316#6317
barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
December 20 2010 01:58 GMT
#76
well

i'd imagine that the idea behind zhonyas rush is so that you dont die when teamfights occur kus ideally u flash + ult + zhon in, use lightning rush out and poke with shurikens from a distance. mybe not tho, im not really a kennen player
Look at this guy, constantly diluting himself! (╮°-°)╮┳━┳ ( ╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻
oberon
Profile Joined May 2009
United States1320 Posts
December 20 2010 03:04 GMT
#77
Kennen in teamfights works best with a transition: start out as a "DPS", tossing shurikens at range. If things go pear-shaped, use your flash to get out and kite with shurikens. If the other team overcommits, lightning-ball in (flash as a last resort, if needed) and ult. If you have zhonyas, only use it if both the enemies are not running away and they're hitting you hard enough.

Just flashing in, ulting, and using z-ring will often lose you teamfights, as the enemies dodge your ult, then jump you, your team runs in to save you, all your stuff's on CD, and everyone dies.

Of course, your ult can also be used defensively, but that usually means things have gone really, really wrong.
Dave[9]
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
United States2365 Posts
December 20 2010 09:15 GMT
#78
Ah, maybe that explains why I die in most team fights @_@ MAN I really suck balls at throwing shrikens too, need to get better at that. I usually try to make a conscious effort to aim where i think they'll go, but I think i make about 40% of my shurikens right now.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=104154&currentpage=316#6317
Wala.Revolution
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
7584 Posts
December 20 2010 12:09 GMT
#79
Well while zhonya's has its utility and and boost of AP it might not be as useful as Rhylai's as that gives HP and a passive which makes escaping from you nearly impossible if anything hits.
Stuck.
Scorcher2k
Profile Joined November 2009
United States802 Posts
December 20 2010 21:15 GMT
#80
On December 20 2010 18:15 Dave[9] wrote:
Ah, maybe that explains why I die in most team fights @_@ MAN I really suck balls at throwing shrikens too, need to get better at that. I usually try to make a conscious effort to aim where i think they'll go, but I think i make about 40% of my shurikens right now.

Unless it needs to be a clutch shuriken then I wouldn't worry about it. The energy comes back fast. Before team fights happen I make sure that I have my auto attack ready to apply a mark. If I can mark some people up before the initiation happens then I will but otherwise I save that charge for after my ult is finished. It is my, "oh shit, I need a mark on this person for a clutch stun."
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
WardiTV Korean Royale
12:00
Group Stage 1 - Group A
WardiTV501
Rex82
LiquipediaDiscussion
Sparkling Tuna Cup
10:00
Weekly #112
Solar vs KrystianerLIVE!
TBD vs SKillous
CranKy Ducklings196
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 131
Rex 82
MindelVK 37
StarCraft: Brood War
firebathero 7082
Sea 5150
GuemChi 917
actioN 625
Pusan 508
Barracks 359
Hyun 256
Last 201
hero 190
Soma 177
[ Show more ]
Larva 138
PianO 112
Mini 110
Backho 74
ToSsGirL 59
Sharp 46
NaDa 28
Noble 13
scan(afreeca) 6
HiyA 6
Dota 2
Gorgc8432
singsing2240
Pyrionflax273
XcaliburYe214
League of Legends
JimRising 742
Counter-Strike
zeus644
x6flipin547
edward47
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor216
Other Games
B2W.Neo1059
Happy210
XaKoH 97
goatrope39
Organizations
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 12
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Adnapsc2 9
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 3096
• WagamamaTV455
• lizZardDota266
League of Legends
• Jankos3117
Upcoming Events
LAN Event
2h 28m
ByuN vs Zoun
TBD vs TriGGeR
Clem vs TBD
IPSL
5h 28m
JDConan vs WIZARD
WolFix vs Cross
BSL 21
7h 28m
spx vs rasowy
HBO vs KameZerg
Cross vs Razz
dxtr13 vs ZZZero
OSC
10h 28m
OSC
20h 28m
Wardi Open
23h 28m
Replay Cast
1d 10h
WardiTV Korean Royale
1d 23h
Replay Cast
2 days
Kung Fu Cup
2 days
Classic vs Solar
herO vs Cure
Reynor vs GuMiho
ByuN vs ShoWTimE
[ Show More ]
Tenacious Turtle Tussle
3 days
The PondCast
3 days
RSL Revival
3 days
Solar vs Zoun
MaxPax vs Bunny
Kung Fu Cup
3 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
Classic vs Creator
Cure vs TriGGeR
Kung Fu Cup
4 days
CranKy Ducklings
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
herO vs Gerald
ByuN vs SHIN
Kung Fu Cup
5 days
BSL 21
6 days
Tarson vs Julia
Doodle vs OldBoy
eOnzErG vs WolFix
StRyKeR vs Aeternum
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Reynor vs sOs
Maru vs Ryung
Kung Fu Cup
6 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

BSL 21 Points
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
Stellar Fest: Constellation Cup
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual

Upcoming

SLON Tour Season 2
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
RSL Revival: Season 3
META Madness #9
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.