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On November 08 2010 21:42 mercurial wrote:
If you have blue CDR runes + the masteries you mentioned and skill like this:
QWEWQR then mass R>Q>W>E
Your W cooldown will be down before your oponent's MOTS will be gone. Quite helpfull at early laning.
This is cool. I don't have flat CDR blues so I can't abuse this, but now I want them.
I'd never get boots3 on Kennen though, sorc boots are too useful.
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OK just tested this, with 9% masteries CDR, lvl 2 W will come off cooldown before your marks wear off (you don't need cdr blues). That early second point is huge. I'm changing my skill leveling to QWWEQR / R>Q>W>E.
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But with blue CDR + blue buff your cd reduction will nearly be maximised giving you the 2 sec shurikens of lulz.
And it will create a bigger gap for you to use your second W on your oponent.
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OK, I have a dilemma. My normal Kennen game is:
1) Score first blood
2) Farm
3) Teammates lose
The problem is that I'm not sure how to fix it. Without my ult, my gank seems too weak. I invariably use my ult to get my first kill, so just when I have free time, I have no ult. Is this just a matter of "this is not how you carry with Kennen"? How do I help my bad teammates most?
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On November 10 2010 11:02 oberon wrote:
OK, I have a dilemma. My normal Kennen game is:
1) Score first blood
2) Farm
3) Teammates lose
The problem is that I'm not sure how to fix it. Without my ult, my gank seems too weak. I invariably use my ult to get my first kill, so just when I have free time, I have no ult. Is this just a matter of "this is not how you carry with Kennen"? How do I help my bad teammates most?
Farm your Rylai's and Zhonya's faster.
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On November 10 2010 11:20 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2010 11:02 oberon wrote:
OK, I have a dilemma. My normal Kennen game is:
1) Score first blood
2) Farm
3) Teammates lose
The problem is that I'm not sure how to fix it. Without my ult, my gank seems too weak. I invariably use my ult to get my first kill, so just when I have free time, I have no ult. Is this just a matter of "this is not how you carry with Kennen"? How do I help my bad teammates most? Farm your Rylai's and Zhonya's faster.
So if my teammates engage in a bad 4v5, I ignore them and farm? I understand the idea, but they seem to inevitably feed faster than I farm.
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On November 10 2010 11:52 oberon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2010 11:20 NeoIllusions wrote:On November 10 2010 11:02 oberon wrote:
OK, I have a dilemma. My normal Kennen game is:
1) Score first blood
2) Farm
3) Teammates lose
The problem is that I'm not sure how to fix it. Without my ult, my gank seems too weak. I invariably use my ult to get my first kill, so just when I have free time, I have no ult. Is this just a matter of "this is not how you carry with Kennen"? How do I help my bad teammates most? Farm your Rylai's and Zhonya's faster. So if my teammates engage in a bad 4v5, I ignore them and farm? I understand the idea, but they seem to inevitably feed faster than I farm.
Pretty much. If they lack the sense to not die in a 4v5, then you being there isn't going to save them.
What you can do is get your key items so when team fights happen at 30-40 min mark, you can more or less turn the tides by yourself with Ulti + W.
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On November 10 2010 12:04 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2010 11:52 oberon wrote:On November 10 2010 11:20 NeoIllusions wrote:On November 10 2010 11:02 oberon wrote:
OK, I have a dilemma. My normal Kennen game is:
1) Score first blood
2) Farm
3) Teammates lose
The problem is that I'm not sure how to fix it. Without my ult, my gank seems too weak. I invariably use my ult to get my first kill, so just when I have free time, I have no ult. Is this just a matter of "this is not how you carry with Kennen"? How do I help my bad teammates most? Farm your Rylai's and Zhonya's faster. So if my teammates engage in a bad 4v5, I ignore them and farm? I understand the idea, but they seem to inevitably feed faster than I farm. Pretty much. If they lack the sense to not die in a 4v5, then you being there isn't going to save them. What you can do is get your key items so when team fights happen at 30-40 min mark, you can more or less turn the tides by yourself with Ulti + W.
On this subject, is Rylai's-first the best teamfight strategy? I've sorta settled into a Kennen build of Sorc -> Zhonya -> Rylai or Abyssal (based on how heavy they are on casters) -> Guardian Angel -> Rylai's or Abyssal (whichever I didn't get before). This seems to gives me a bunch of EHP (+heatlh, +armor, +MR, GA) as well as significant magic damage (300+ AP with 20 pen and 20 reduction). This is also mostly geared to teamfights -- zhonya's is a HUGE deal to get an ult off, so I've been doing it before Rylai. I've read Salce's guide, and it completely doesn't work for me. Maybe I'm just doin' it wrong :/
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If you don't know the way of the rylai, you don't know the way of the Kennen.
Also if your having so much trouble winning with Kennen cause of retarded teammates, you should grab teleport and participate in the fights, this way you can easily snipe 1 or 2 ppl with just Q and W.
Thats what I do, it works well.
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On November 10 2010 17:12 mercurial wrote:
If you don't know the way of the rylai, you don't know the way of the Kennen.
Also if your having so much trouble winning with Kennen cause of retarded teammates, you should grab teleport and participate in the fights, this way you can easily snipe 1 or 2 ppl with just Q and W.
Thats what I do, it works well.
Eh, that's not very applicable. Unless he's faced the same fail teammates before, taking Teleport when he doesn't really solve anything and it does set you back in team fights not having Flash/Ghost.
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Kennen doesn't need ghost if he has flash. Not to mention I said use Q and W, this means you don't even have to get into the fight, just steal some kills.
You already have a ghost, its called lightning rush, and if you can't do it enough then you should get your yellow energy reg runes, because those are mandatory.
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I'm actually currently running ghost/ignite, but I only have half my energy/5/18 yellows. Maybe I'll try flash/teleport, though that obviously reduces my ability to draw first blood substantially...
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On November 10 2010 12:19 oberon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2010 12:04 NeoIllusions wrote:On November 10 2010 11:52 oberon wrote:On November 10 2010 11:20 NeoIllusions wrote:On November 10 2010 11:02 oberon wrote:
OK, I have a dilemma. My normal Kennen game is:
1) Score first blood
2) Farm
3) Teammates lose
The problem is that I'm not sure how to fix it. Without my ult, my gank seems too weak. I invariably use my ult to get my first kill, so just when I have free time, I have no ult. Is this just a matter of "this is not how you carry with Kennen"? How do I help my bad teammates most? Farm your Rylai's and Zhonya's faster. So if my teammates engage in a bad 4v5, I ignore them and farm? I understand the idea, but they seem to inevitably feed faster than I farm. Pretty much. If they lack the sense to not die in a 4v5, then you being there isn't going to save them. What you can do is get your key items so when team fights happen at 30-40 min mark, you can more or less turn the tides by yourself with Ulti + W. On this subject, is Rylai's-first the best teamfight strategy? I've sorta settled into a Kennen build of Sorc -> Zhonya -> Rylai or Abyssal (based on how heavy they are on casters) -> Guardian Angel -> Rylai's or Abyssal (whichever I didn't get before). This seems to gives me a bunch of EHP (+heatlh, +armor, +MR, GA) as well as significant magic damage (300+ AP with 20 pen and 20 reduction). This is also mostly geared to teamfights -- zhonya's is a HUGE deal to get an ult off, so I've been doing it before Rylai. I've read Salce's guide, and it completely doesn't work for me. Maybe I'm just doin' it wrong :/
As I have said over and over again in TL threads regarding Kennen, when teamfights are imminent, z-ring >>>> rylai's. Rylais makes you a giant pain in the ass to 1 v 1 and a pro cleanup character but when you don't have your gold statue panic button in teamfights, you end up playing too cautiously with your ult and it really reduces your overall damage output. You need Ryali's first if it's a roamy/ganky midgame and Z-Ring first if it's a group up and push midgame.
On November 10 2010 22:55 oberon wrote:
I'm actually currently running ghost/ignite, but I only have half my energy/5/18 yellows. Maybe I'll try flash/teleport, though that obviously reduces my ability to draw first blood substantially...
flash/teleport solo top is the most helpful way to play kennen. Nothing like showing up for the first dragon fight out of nowhere with your ult to completely turn the tides.
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On November 11 2010 00:48 Mogwai wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2010 12:19 oberon wrote:On November 10 2010 12:04 NeoIllusions wrote:On November 10 2010 11:52 oberon wrote:On November 10 2010 11:20 NeoIllusions wrote:On November 10 2010 11:02 oberon wrote:
OK, I have a dilemma. My normal Kennen game is:
1) Score first blood
2) Farm
3) Teammates lose
The problem is that I'm not sure how to fix it. Without my ult, my gank seems too weak. I invariably use my ult to get my first kill, so just when I have free time, I have no ult. Is this just a matter of "this is not how you carry with Kennen"? How do I help my bad teammates most? Farm your Rylai's and Zhonya's faster. So if my teammates engage in a bad 4v5, I ignore them and farm? I understand the idea, but they seem to inevitably feed faster than I farm. Pretty much. If they lack the sense to not die in a 4v5, then you being there isn't going to save them. What you can do is get your key items so when team fights happen at 30-40 min mark, you can more or less turn the tides by yourself with Ulti + W. On this subject, is Rylai's-first the best teamfight strategy? I've sorta settled into a Kennen build of Sorc -> Zhonya -> Rylai or Abyssal (based on how heavy they are on casters) -> Guardian Angel -> Rylai's or Abyssal (whichever I didn't get before). This seems to gives me a bunch of EHP (+heatlh, +armor, +MR, GA) as well as significant magic damage (300+ AP with 20 pen and 20 reduction). This is also mostly geared to teamfights -- zhonya's is a HUGE deal to get an ult off, so I've been doing it before Rylai. I've read Salce's guide, and it completely doesn't work for me. Maybe I'm just doin' it wrong :/ As I have said over and over again in TL threads regarding Kennen, when teamfights are imminent, z-ring >>>> rylai's. Rylais makes you a giant pain in the ass to 1 v 1 and a pro cleanup character but when you don't have your gold statue panic button in teamfights, you end up playing too cautiously with your ult and it really reduces your overall damage output. You need Ryali's first if it's a roamy/ganky midgame and Z-Ring first if it's a group up and push midgame. Show nested quote +On November 10 2010 22:55 oberon wrote:
I'm actually currently running ghost/ignite, but I only have half my energy/5/18 yellows. Maybe I'll try flash/teleport, though that obviously reduces my ability to draw first blood substantially... flash/teleport solo top is the most helpful way to play kennen. Nothing like showing up for the first dragon fight out of nowhere with your ult to completely turn the tides.
In this case, I probably want utility instead of defense (which I run now). I guess it'd be:
1 teleport mastery
3 perseverance, which I just noticed is misspelled in LoL (works with d-shield, better than less time dead, I guess)
2 good hands
4 xp mastery
1 greed
2 buff mastery
1 flash mastery
3 quickness
3 intelligence
1 presence of the master
I guess the other 9 are in offense, for the apen and the CDR. That'll help land multiple Ws.
Does this make sense?
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swap 1 from perseverance (worst mastery ever) into good hands and then do
3 AP/level
1 Crit chance
4 CDR
1 Achaeic knowledge
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On November 11 2010 12:43 Mogwai wrote:
swap 1 from perseverance (worst mastery ever) into good hands and then do
3 AP/level
1 Crit chance
4 CDR
1 Achaeic knowledge
With legit health regen from dshield, why would you not want more regen? Is good hands really better?
I think we agree on offense. Then again, I think it's obvious...
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Kennen masteries are pretty straightforward, the summoner spells you use on utility + everything thats not mana and the summoner spells you have masteries for come from your points in perseverance.
So if you have flash and ghost masteries, you have only 1 point in perseverance.
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That early second point in W is insane, it basically says if you land a single mark of the storm on your opponent you can keep them up 100% of the time as long as you can get on on there during the stuns. Makes harass so much more fun
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Oh you most definitely want to max good hands over perseverance. I try not to put points into it unless it's absolutely useless to put it anywhere else.
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