• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 02:56
CEST 08:56
KST 15:56
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Team TLMC #5 - Finalists & Open Tournaments0[ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt2: Turbulence5Classic Games #3: Rogue vs Serral at BlizzCon9[ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Ascent10Maestros of the Game: Week 1/Play-in Preview12
Community News
Weekly Cups (Sept 8-14): herO & MaxPax split cups3WardiTV TL Team Map Contest #5 Tournaments1SC4ALL $6,000 Open LAN in Philadelphia7Weekly Cups (Sept 1-7): MaxPax rebounds & Clem saga continues29LiuLi Cup - September 2025 Tournaments3
StarCraft 2
General
Team Liquid Map Contest #21 - Presented by Monster Energy #1: Maru - Greatest Players of All Time Weekly Cups (Sept 8-14): herO & MaxPax split cups SpeCial on The Tasteless Podcast Team TLMC #5 - Finalists & Open Tournaments
Tourneys
WardiTV TL Team Map Contest #5 Tournaments Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament SC4ALL $6,000 Open LAN in Philadelphia
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 491 Night Drive Mutation # 490 Masters of Midnight Mutation # 489 Bannable Offense Mutation # 488 What Goes Around
Brood War
General
Diplomacy, Cosmonarchy Edition [ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt2: Turbulence BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ ASL20 General Discussion
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL20] Ro16 Group D [ASL20] Ro16 Group C [IPSL] ISPL Season 1 Winter Qualis and Info!
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Muta micro map competition Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Mineral Boosting
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread Borderlands 3
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion LiquidDota to reintegrate into TL.net
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Canadian Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread The Big Programming Thread
Fan Clubs
The Happy Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread High temperatures on bridge(s)
TL Community
BarCraft in Tokyo Japan for ASL Season5 Final The Automated Ban List
Blogs
The Personality of a Spender…
TrAiDoS
A very expensive lesson on ma…
Garnet
hello world
radishsoup
Lemme tell you a thing o…
JoinTheRain
RTS Design in Hypercoven
a11
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1369 users

[Champion] Kennen - Page 2

Forum Index > LoL Strategy
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Next All
myopia
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2928 Posts
November 08 2010 17:04 GMT
#21
On November 08 2010 21:42 mercurial wrote:
If you have blue CDR runes + the masteries you mentioned and skill like this:

QWEWQR then mass R>Q>W>E

Your W cooldown will be down before your oponent's MOTS will be gone. Quite helpfull at early laning.


This is cool. I don't have flat CDR blues so I can't abuse this, but now I want them.

I'd never get boots3 on Kennen though, sorc boots are too useful.
it's my first day
myopia
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2928 Posts
November 09 2010 00:24 GMT
#22
OK just tested this, with 9% masteries CDR, lvl 2 W will come off cooldown before your marks wear off (you don't need cdr blues). That early second point is huge. I'm changing my skill leveling to QWWEQR / R>Q>W>E.
it's my first day
Therealdevil
Profile Joined May 2010
Netherlands1021 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-09 07:52:23
November 09 2010 07:38 GMT
#23
But with blue CDR + blue buff your cd reduction will nearly be maximised giving you the 2 sec shurikens of lulz.

And it will create a bigger gap for you to use your second W on your oponent.
oberon
Profile Joined May 2009
United States1320 Posts
November 10 2010 02:02 GMT
#24
OK, I have a dilemma. My normal Kennen game is:

1) Score first blood
2) Farm
3) Teammates lose

The problem is that I'm not sure how to fix it. Without my ult, my gank seems too weak. I invariably use my ult to get my first kill, so just when I have free time, I have no ult. Is this just a matter of "this is not how you carry with Kennen"? How do I help my bad teammates most?
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
November 10 2010 02:20 GMT
#25
On November 10 2010 11:02 oberon wrote:
OK, I have a dilemma. My normal Kennen game is:

1) Score first blood
2) Farm
3) Teammates lose

The problem is that I'm not sure how to fix it. Without my ult, my gank seems too weak. I invariably use my ult to get my first kill, so just when I have free time, I have no ult. Is this just a matter of "this is not how you carry with Kennen"? How do I help my bad teammates most?


Farm your Rylai's and Zhonya's faster.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
oberon
Profile Joined May 2009
United States1320 Posts
November 10 2010 02:52 GMT
#26
On November 10 2010 11:20 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2010 11:02 oberon wrote:
OK, I have a dilemma. My normal Kennen game is:

1) Score first blood
2) Farm
3) Teammates lose

The problem is that I'm not sure how to fix it. Without my ult, my gank seems too weak. I invariably use my ult to get my first kill, so just when I have free time, I have no ult. Is this just a matter of "this is not how you carry with Kennen"? How do I help my bad teammates most?


Farm your Rylai's and Zhonya's faster.


So if my teammates engage in a bad 4v5, I ignore them and farm? I understand the idea, but they seem to inevitably feed faster than I farm.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
November 10 2010 03:04 GMT
#27
On November 10 2010 11:52 oberon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2010 11:20 NeoIllusions wrote:
On November 10 2010 11:02 oberon wrote:
OK, I have a dilemma. My normal Kennen game is:

1) Score first blood
2) Farm
3) Teammates lose

The problem is that I'm not sure how to fix it. Without my ult, my gank seems too weak. I invariably use my ult to get my first kill, so just when I have free time, I have no ult. Is this just a matter of "this is not how you carry with Kennen"? How do I help my bad teammates most?


Farm your Rylai's and Zhonya's faster.


So if my teammates engage in a bad 4v5, I ignore them and farm? I understand the idea, but they seem to inevitably feed faster than I farm.


Pretty much. If they lack the sense to not die in a 4v5, then you being there isn't going to save them.
What you can do is get your key items so when team fights happen at 30-40 min mark, you can more or less turn the tides by yourself with Ulti + W.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
oberon
Profile Joined May 2009
United States1320 Posts
November 10 2010 03:19 GMT
#28
On November 10 2010 12:04 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2010 11:52 oberon wrote:
On November 10 2010 11:20 NeoIllusions wrote:
On November 10 2010 11:02 oberon wrote:
OK, I have a dilemma. My normal Kennen game is:

1) Score first blood
2) Farm
3) Teammates lose

The problem is that I'm not sure how to fix it. Without my ult, my gank seems too weak. I invariably use my ult to get my first kill, so just when I have free time, I have no ult. Is this just a matter of "this is not how you carry with Kennen"? How do I help my bad teammates most?


Farm your Rylai's and Zhonya's faster.


So if my teammates engage in a bad 4v5, I ignore them and farm? I understand the idea, but they seem to inevitably feed faster than I farm.


Pretty much. If they lack the sense to not die in a 4v5, then you being there isn't going to save them.
What you can do is get your key items so when team fights happen at 30-40 min mark, you can more or less turn the tides by yourself with Ulti + W.


On this subject, is Rylai's-first the best teamfight strategy? I've sorta settled into a Kennen build of Sorc -> Zhonya -> Rylai or Abyssal (based on how heavy they are on casters) -> Guardian Angel -> Rylai's or Abyssal (whichever I didn't get before). This seems to gives me a bunch of EHP (+heatlh, +armor, +MR, GA) as well as significant magic damage (300+ AP with 20 pen and 20 reduction). This is also mostly geared to teamfights -- zhonya's is a HUGE deal to get an ult off, so I've been doing it before Rylai. I've read Salce's guide, and it completely doesn't work for me. Maybe I'm just doin' it wrong :/
Therealdevil
Profile Joined May 2010
Netherlands1021 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-10 08:13:09
November 10 2010 08:12 GMT
#29
If you don't know the way of the rylai, you don't know the way of the Kennen.

Also if your having so much trouble winning with Kennen cause of retarded teammates, you should grab teleport and participate in the fights, this way you can easily snipe 1 or 2 ppl with just Q and W.

Thats what I do, it works well.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
November 10 2010 08:19 GMT
#30
On November 10 2010 17:12 mercurial wrote:
If you don't know the way of the rylai, you don't know the way of the Kennen.

Also if your having so much trouble winning with Kennen cause of retarded teammates, you should grab teleport and participate in the fights, this way you can easily snipe 1 or 2 ppl with just Q and W.

Thats what I do, it works well.


Eh, that's not very applicable. Unless he's faced the same fail teammates before, taking Teleport when he doesn't really solve anything and it does set you back in team fights not having Flash/Ghost.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
Therealdevil
Profile Joined May 2010
Netherlands1021 Posts
November 10 2010 08:54 GMT
#31
Kennen doesn't need ghost if he has flash. Not to mention I said use Q and W, this means you don't even have to get into the fight, just steal some kills.

You already have a ghost, its called lightning rush, and if you can't do it enough then you should get your yellow energy reg runes, because those are mandatory.
oberon
Profile Joined May 2009
United States1320 Posts
November 10 2010 13:55 GMT
#32
I'm actually currently running ghost/ignite, but I only have half my energy/5/18 yellows. Maybe I'll try flash/teleport, though that obviously reduces my ability to draw first blood substantially...
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
November 10 2010 15:48 GMT
#33
On November 10 2010 12:19 oberon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2010 12:04 NeoIllusions wrote:
On November 10 2010 11:52 oberon wrote:
On November 10 2010 11:20 NeoIllusions wrote:
On November 10 2010 11:02 oberon wrote:
OK, I have a dilemma. My normal Kennen game is:

1) Score first blood
2) Farm
3) Teammates lose

The problem is that I'm not sure how to fix it. Without my ult, my gank seems too weak. I invariably use my ult to get my first kill, so just when I have free time, I have no ult. Is this just a matter of "this is not how you carry with Kennen"? How do I help my bad teammates most?


Farm your Rylai's and Zhonya's faster.


So if my teammates engage in a bad 4v5, I ignore them and farm? I understand the idea, but they seem to inevitably feed faster than I farm.


Pretty much. If they lack the sense to not die in a 4v5, then you being there isn't going to save them.
What you can do is get your key items so when team fights happen at 30-40 min mark, you can more or less turn the tides by yourself with Ulti + W.


On this subject, is Rylai's-first the best teamfight strategy? I've sorta settled into a Kennen build of Sorc -> Zhonya -> Rylai or Abyssal (based on how heavy they are on casters) -> Guardian Angel -> Rylai's or Abyssal (whichever I didn't get before). This seems to gives me a bunch of EHP (+heatlh, +armor, +MR, GA) as well as significant magic damage (300+ AP with 20 pen and 20 reduction). This is also mostly geared to teamfights -- zhonya's is a HUGE deal to get an ult off, so I've been doing it before Rylai. I've read Salce's guide, and it completely doesn't work for me. Maybe I'm just doin' it wrong :/

As I have said over and over again in TL threads regarding Kennen, when teamfights are imminent, z-ring >>>> rylai's. Rylais makes you a giant pain in the ass to 1 v 1 and a pro cleanup character but when you don't have your gold statue panic button in teamfights, you end up playing too cautiously with your ult and it really reduces your overall damage output. You need Ryali's first if it's a roamy/ganky midgame and Z-Ring first if it's a group up and push midgame.

On November 10 2010 22:55 oberon wrote:
I'm actually currently running ghost/ignite, but I only have half my energy/5/18 yellows. Maybe I'll try flash/teleport, though that obviously reduces my ability to draw first blood substantially...

flash/teleport solo top is the most helpful way to play kennen. Nothing like showing up for the first dragon fight out of nowhere with your ult to completely turn the tides.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
oberon
Profile Joined May 2009
United States1320 Posts
November 11 2010 03:15 GMT
#34
On November 11 2010 00:48 Mogwai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2010 12:19 oberon wrote:
On November 10 2010 12:04 NeoIllusions wrote:
On November 10 2010 11:52 oberon wrote:
On November 10 2010 11:20 NeoIllusions wrote:
On November 10 2010 11:02 oberon wrote:
OK, I have a dilemma. My normal Kennen game is:

1) Score first blood
2) Farm
3) Teammates lose

The problem is that I'm not sure how to fix it. Without my ult, my gank seems too weak. I invariably use my ult to get my first kill, so just when I have free time, I have no ult. Is this just a matter of "this is not how you carry with Kennen"? How do I help my bad teammates most?


Farm your Rylai's and Zhonya's faster.


So if my teammates engage in a bad 4v5, I ignore them and farm? I understand the idea, but they seem to inevitably feed faster than I farm.


Pretty much. If they lack the sense to not die in a 4v5, then you being there isn't going to save them.
What you can do is get your key items so when team fights happen at 30-40 min mark, you can more or less turn the tides by yourself with Ulti + W.


On this subject, is Rylai's-first the best teamfight strategy? I've sorta settled into a Kennen build of Sorc -> Zhonya -> Rylai or Abyssal (based on how heavy they are on casters) -> Guardian Angel -> Rylai's or Abyssal (whichever I didn't get before). This seems to gives me a bunch of EHP (+heatlh, +armor, +MR, GA) as well as significant magic damage (300+ AP with 20 pen and 20 reduction). This is also mostly geared to teamfights -- zhonya's is a HUGE deal to get an ult off, so I've been doing it before Rylai. I've read Salce's guide, and it completely doesn't work for me. Maybe I'm just doin' it wrong :/

As I have said over and over again in TL threads regarding Kennen, when teamfights are imminent, z-ring >>>> rylai's. Rylais makes you a giant pain in the ass to 1 v 1 and a pro cleanup character but when you don't have your gold statue panic button in teamfights, you end up playing too cautiously with your ult and it really reduces your overall damage output. You need Ryali's first if it's a roamy/ganky midgame and Z-Ring first if it's a group up and push midgame.

Show nested quote +
On November 10 2010 22:55 oberon wrote:
I'm actually currently running ghost/ignite, but I only have half my energy/5/18 yellows. Maybe I'll try flash/teleport, though that obviously reduces my ability to draw first blood substantially...

flash/teleport solo top is the most helpful way to play kennen. Nothing like showing up for the first dragon fight out of nowhere with your ult to completely turn the tides.


In this case, I probably want utility instead of defense (which I run now). I guess it'd be:

1 teleport mastery
3 perseverance, which I just noticed is misspelled in LoL (works with d-shield, better than less time dead, I guess)
2 good hands
4 xp mastery
1 greed
2 buff mastery
1 flash mastery
3 quickness
3 intelligence
1 presence of the master

I guess the other 9 are in offense, for the apen and the CDR. That'll help land multiple Ws.

Does this make sense?
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
November 11 2010 03:43 GMT
#35
swap 1 from perseverance (worst mastery ever) into good hands and then do

3 AP/level
1 Crit chance
4 CDR
1 Achaeic knowledge
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
oberon
Profile Joined May 2009
United States1320 Posts
November 11 2010 03:51 GMT
#36
On November 11 2010 12:43 Mogwai wrote:
swap 1 from perseverance (worst mastery ever) into good hands and then do

3 AP/level
1 Crit chance
4 CDR
1 Achaeic knowledge


With legit health regen from dshield, why would you not want more regen? Is good hands really better?

I think we agree on offense. Then again, I think it's obvious...
Therealdevil
Profile Joined May 2010
Netherlands1021 Posts
November 11 2010 07:58 GMT
#37
Kennen masteries are pretty straightforward, the summoner spells you use on utility + everything thats not mana and the summoner spells you have masteries for come from your points in perseverance.

So if you have flash and ghost masteries, you have only 1 point in perseverance.
STS17
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1817 Posts
November 12 2010 03:45 GMT
#38
That early second point in W is insane, it basically says if you land a single mark of the storm on your opponent you can keep them up 100% of the time as long as you can get on on there during the stuns. Makes harass so much more fun
Platinum Level Terran - Take my advice from that perspective
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
November 12 2010 04:14 GMT
#39
Oh you most definitely want to max good hands over perseverance. I try not to put points into it unless it's absolutely useless to put it anywhere else.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
myopia
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2928 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-12 05:55:27
November 12 2010 05:54 GMT
#40
nvm I misread post
it's my first day
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 3h 4m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft: Brood War
ivOry 974
actioN 283
Hyun 114
soO 110
Noble 52
sSak 24
Bale 7
Dewaltoss 5
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm149
XcaliburYe15
League of Legends
JimRising 591
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K661
semphis_60
shoxiejesuss0
Other Games
summit1g6859
C9.Mang0384
Trikslyr36
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick721
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH195
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Rush1437
• Lourlo1383
• Stunt482
• HappyZerGling99
Upcoming Events
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3h 4m
Afreeca Starleague
3h 4m
Light vs Speed
Larva vs Soma
2v2
4h 4m
OSC
6h 4m
PiGosaur Monday
17h 4m
LiuLi Cup
1d 4h
RSL Revival
2 days
Maru vs Reynor
Cure vs TriGGeR
The PondCast
2 days
RSL Revival
3 days
Zoun vs Classic
Korean StarCraft League
3 days
[ Show More ]
BSL Open LAN 2025 - War…
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
BSL Open LAN 2025 - War…
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
Online Event
5 days
Wardi Open
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-09-10
Chzzk MurlocKing SC1 vs SC2 Cup #2
HCC Europe

Ongoing

BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Points
ASL Season 20
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
LASL Season 20
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1

Upcoming

2025 Chongqing Offline CUP
BSL World Championship of Poland 2025
IPSL Winter 2025-26
BSL Season 21
SC4ALL: Brood War
BSL 21 Team A
Stellar Fest
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
EC S1
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.