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Marshall Islands3404 Posts
On December 07 2010 08:49 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
I run 1/8/21 but I'm thinking about switching over to 9/0/21. I really think Strength of Spirit is valuable throughout the whole game, but I'm not sure if it's better than the pen. I advocate a full aspd page, but I don't test anything so I'm sure there's a more optimal mix of pen/dmg/aspd as far as jungle times go.
What makes a big difference to me is that late game, when I'm 18 with bloodrazors, I'm putting out more damage than warwicks with armor pages and pen pages because each attack hits a proc.
And there are some of those games where you just get into the middle of a 5v5 and completely lose track of what's going on, and your aspd saves you because of your passive and bloodrazors chewing through enemies while Q is down.
attack speed users assume that the enemy is just gonna sit there and let you get every attack off on them...this is rarely the case. also armor pen even with no damage items still increases DPS output tremendously
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Smite sucks. It serves no purpose after the initial blue golem, and you are better off asking your teammates to hit the golem a few times before going to lane. After you get the first golem, you should not have any problem.
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United States37500 Posts
On December 07 2010 12:11 DragonDefonce wrote:
Smite sucks. It serves no purpose after the initial blue golem, and you are better off asking your teammates to hit the golem a few times before going to lane. After you get the first golem, you should not have any problem.
Don't spew nonsense, thanks. All competent junglers take Smite.
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On December 07 2010 11:46 Brees wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2010 08:49 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
I run 1/8/21 but I'm thinking about switching over to 9/0/21. I really think Strength of Spirit is valuable throughout the whole game, but I'm not sure if it's better than the pen. I advocate a full aspd page, but I don't test anything so I'm sure there's a more optimal mix of pen/dmg/aspd as far as jungle times go.
What makes a big difference to me is that late game, when I'm 18 with bloodrazors, I'm putting out more damage than warwicks with armor pages and pen pages because each attack hits a proc.
And there are some of those games where you just get into the middle of a 5v5 and completely lose track of what's going on, and your aspd saves you because of your passive and bloodrazors chewing through enemies while Q is down. attack speed users assume that the enemy is just gonna sit there and let you get every attack off on them...this is rarely the case. also armor pen even with no damage items still increases DPS output tremendously
I agree with what you are saying but Warwick has a chase passive that activates whenever ANY enemy is low/ghost/a flash-to-target disable/randuins so it's actually not hard to stick to someone and either way you can just retarget and be a huge dps output instead of an assassin. Personal preference really, there will be games where pen will be more useful and games where aspd will be more useful.
I also like that it helps proc razors on buffs/dragon.
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On December 07 2010 12:11 DragonDefonce wrote:
Smite sucks. It serves no purpose after the initial blue golem, and you are better off asking your teammates to hit the golem a few times before going to lane. After you get the first golem, you should not have any problem.
Do not listen to anything this man says, smite is invaluable.
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DragonDefonce is the enemy jungler's best friend.
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On December 07 2010 12:11 DragonDefonce wrote:
Smite sucks. It serves no purpose after the initial blue golem, and you are better off asking your teammates to hit the golem a few times before going to lane. After you get the first golem, you should not have any problem.
look, it's every < 1300 elo player ever, rolled into one post!
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On December 07 2010 12:11 DragonDefonce wrote:
Smite sucks. It serves no purpose after the initial blue golem, and you are better off asking your teammates to hit the golem a few times before going to lane. After you get the first golem, you should not have any problem.
lol dps warwick is horrible i assume u run cleanse ghost? Abine on US server?
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WW's who jungle and say smite sucks generally run ignite/ghost or exhaust/ghost and think they're amazing when they get kills against people who overextend. At least from what I've seen of such players.
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On December 07 2010 16:40 BlackPaladin wrote:
WW's who jungle and say smite sucks generally run ignite/ghost or exhaust/ghost and think they're amazing when they get kills against people who overextend. At least from what I've seen of such players.
take smite and steal their
drag
blue
red
baron
laugh at them, for jungling slower and not fullfllling the drag / baron duty (:
Some people also run smite and uses it every once its off coooldown.
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I think AS runes are the way to go with WW, just because of jungling. His healing has been somewhat nerfed, and now you dont get to be full health at early lvl jungling (still have tons of health though). AS makes you attack faster, so you hit less than with ArPen runes but heal more. Once you get razors ArPen is useless compared to AS because it all comes down to how many times you proc razors.
IMO!
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The no-smite WWs I see on EU (1500+) usually go Exhaust/Ignite. I once stole dragon from one of these with Kassadin and asked him if he now understands why good junglers take smite. Later on he got a kill and immediately shouted back that this is why you don't take smite...
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Yeah whenever I get a guy who calls for jungle and doesn't takesmite I ask him ifhe knows why smite is good on junglers. After the inevitable 'stfu I don't need smite it's for noobs' I take smite and steal their buffs until they ragequit. Well worth a loss IMO
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I love queuing up and seeing an ignite / ghost or exhaust / ghost WW insta-lock in and claim the jungle. Then respond with "lol WW doesn't need smite" when you ask.
Also, there was this one guy who I actually took the time to explain why smite was valuable, and I happened to have the fortune of being put up against a WW with smite ghost (ours had exhaust ghost) and thought we would be able to demonstrate how much faster and effective smite makes jungling - but of course not, theirs DCd about 3 minutes in for about 5 minutes and was unable to recover.
So naturally our WW took it upon himself to explain to me after the game was over why exhaust > smite
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United States47024 Posts
The problem with trying to explain why Smite is better than Exhaust/Ignite/whatever is that it's dependent on the understanding that being able to control buffs/Dragon/Baron is superior to a few kills. And if someone doesn't understand that, taking the time to explain it isn't something you can do in a few short sentences.
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Well, feeders gonna feed, no need to explain why not feeding is better than feeding if they don't grasp the concept immediately.
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Warwick is a beast if you can get a solo lane.
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Yeah, I mean his passive makes him stay there forever while you auto-attack minions.
But on topic, if enemy team's jungler doesn't have smite, I make it my duty to ward and jack their buffs as much as possible.
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Isn't there someone in the top 500 that mains lanewick lol
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lanewick sounds awful without blue buff vs any ranged
i guess if u run a full armor page and use w at level 1 to clear creeps asap? @_@
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