EPT[Champion] Warwick - Page 4
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Mogwai
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Southlight
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NeoIllusions
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Mogwai
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On November 05 2010 04:57 NeoIllusions wrote: Gizmo, #1 WW. ezezezez lol seriously though, I win a disgustingly large amount with him. I'm over 80% in ranked with him and one of the 3 losses was when our 5s team was trolling with Karthus, GP, and a Blitz who fucking gave away the easiest gank in the history of the entire world. Goddamn that game pissed me off, next time you ask me to swap GP with you utah, I'm fucking queue dodging, LOL. | ||
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STS17
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NeoIllusions
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On November 09 2010 03:10 STS17 wrote: So should I be maxing W or E first (after Q)? W helps jungle faster and the team buff can push towers quicker while E gives you more flexibility when chasing an opponent I do both rather equally but leaning more towards E. Beyond level 6, 1-2 levels of W is all you need. Once you have Recurve, any additional points in W is a little superfluous. E is great in team fights. Along with your own Ghost, it ensures that any enemies that Flash/Ghost away, you'll be able to reach with auto attack and Q range. | ||
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Mogwai
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NeoIllusions
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On November 09 2010 03:14 Mogwai wrote: I typically alternate my levels of W and E after Q is maxed. Having only level 1 E until level 14 will sometimes make you miss out on kills you should've gotten, but the need for one over the other varies from game to game. If you're trying to set up a fast baron or fast push strategies though, of course you need to level W more quickly. Yeah, I concur. If you are coming into the game with a plan to do an incredibly early Baron (let's say your team drafted Kog and Shen. You guys can level 13 Baron at around 18:00 with just the 3 of you (WW with Razor+Recurve, Kog with IEdge+Green Elixir, Shen to tank) with the rest of your team in lanes), you can lean more towards W obviously. But for the most part, E >=W is a good recommendation. | ||
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SayaSP
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Ecael
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The6357
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cloth armor+ward ->razor->boots (the one that give 20% attack speed boost) ->blood razor ->Vampire sceptor ->last whisper ->blood thirst/banshee is going survivability better than going weapons for WW? I've noticed that WW's ulti does shit damage so I was leaning more toward weapons to increase damage output Also for the jungling path, recently I've noticed that enemy team often try to gank me at my blue, so I started to start my jungling from enemy blue golem and haven't got ganked there once yet. Is this a common practice? If the enemy has a jungler, I put a ward at enemy blue's bush as fast as i can to see if enemy jungler is starting at blue. If he doesn't start there, i simply steal his blue and it's been working out pretty well...except I kind of suck with WW during late game. thoughts? | ||
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seppolevne
Canada1681 Posts
On November 14 2010 03:22 The6357 wrote: the build I follow suggest me to go for more attack items rather than armors. ...except I kind of suck with WW during late game. thoughts? I think the problem is right in front of you. | ||
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The6357
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On November 14 2010 03:50 seppolevne wrote: I think the problem is right in front of you. i thought my problem was i don't really know how to engage with ww during team battles...  | ||
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Ecael
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In terms of jungle path, I have no idea how that can happen really. If I am playing solo Q normal I just start at wraiths->wolves->blue when I think I can't count on teammates to guard me. If I can I go blue first. Opening red with WW tends to be too slow for him so imo it should be avoided, and opening golems wraiths wolves blue is viable as well if you have an actual WW page. Trying to steal their blue to start is honestly a pretty dangerous practice unless they don't know how to smite or don't have smite at all, but I guess if it has been working for you keep at it. For lategame engagements, I try to use R as a disable and a way to force them to focus me. If there are good initiators on the team, I try to flank into them. If I am the offtank, I usually have to charge in pretty early myself and save R for after the first round of CCs hit. | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
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On November 14 2010 03:22 The6357 wrote: I've seen two variations of WW item builds from some char build sites and it seems like OP is favoring survivability items. I just recently started to play WW and the build I follow suggest me to go for more attack items rather than armors. I go cloth armor+ward ->razor->boots (the one that give 20% attack speed boost) ->blood razor ->Vampire sceptor ->last whisper ->blood thirst/banshee is going survivability better than going weapons for WW? I've noticed that WW's ulti does shit damage so I was leaning more toward weapons to increase damage output Also for the jungling path, recently I've noticed that enemy team often try to gank me at my blue, so I started to start my jungling from enemy blue golem and haven't got ganked there once yet. Is this a common practice? If the enemy has a jungler, I put a ward at enemy blue's bush as fast as i can to see if enemy jungler is starting at blue. If he doesn't start there, i simply steal his blue and it's been working out pretty well...except I kind of suck with WW during late game. thoughts? Well, the thing is, when you get to level 30 or start playing good players starting at their blue is basically suicide unless you know exactly where they are the whole time you're taking it, and it usually leaves your team to 4v5 while they jack your red buff or something, then you're stuck in their jungle with their buff as they all come towards their side of the map lol. Anyway those guides are pretty much trash. Read the opening post here and follow it, listen to everything mogwai and neo said. Basically most of warwick's damage comes from being in a fight for a long time and doing %hp attacks with bloodrazors/his Q so you want to go razors -> merc -> bloodrazors -> GA 90% of the time. There is no real reason to build him to instagib a carry when the simple fact that you're suppressing one of their teammates should get your team the kill anyway. You want to be alive to chase them down at the end of the fight because your passive is HUGE. It feels like you're not doing as much damage but really warwick isn't the main source of damage on the team, he's more of a tanky dps that holds one person down and chases really well. | ||
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Daxunyrr
United States190 Posts
Most people tend to stop at GA & BV with their items. If omst of Warwick's damage comes from %'s, why not get like a zeal or PD after all this? It'd help with ihs ASpd... then again I dont have a full thing of ASpd runes, nor am I a lv 30, so I start out slow still. | ||
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Ecael
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On November 14 2010 07:52 Daxunyrr wrote: This is probably gunna be laughed at, but I just figured I'd ask a simple thing. Most people tend to stop at GA & BV with their items. If omst of Warwick's damage comes from %'s, why not get like a zeal or PD after all this? It'd help with ihs ASpd... then again I dont have a full thing of ASpd runes, nor am I a lv 30, so I start out slow still. The idea is really that you are hitting quite fast with just green + bloodrazer, but there are games where things like Wit's End has a purpose. PD is an overrated item, the stats it give just aren't too useful for the price, but the zeal could definitely have some situational use. Also about what 5hit said, I really feel that GA is quite lackluster with WW now after its nerf. I've been much more in favor of HoG->randuins or an early banshee's myself. The revive now is really weak, and WW has never been much of a priority focus target. All the GA seems to do is allow you to get a really bad initiation in R, die for it, and then revive and maybe not die within the next second. | ||
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Brees
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but I play warwick for his mid/lategame not his early game so dont have any problem keeping up in level in jungle tho ;o usually hit 6 before my opponent with my route | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
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Daxunyrr
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